2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 @ the N-Ring

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In racing terms, 2 or 3 seconds is a BIG freakin' lead, amigo. On the Nurburgring, you probably wouldn't even SEE the other guy if you were 2 or 3 seconds ahead, except maybe if you were screaming down Dottinger-Hohe (the super-long straightaway at the end of the course).
 
Gabkicks
and i wonder what kind of mileage the gt3 gets? and i wonder how my back would feel after driving it for 2 weeks straight. Does the GT3 have air conditioning or a radio?

I know a few people who drive the corvette almost daily.
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OK, so you don't consider the GT3-RS a daily driver. That doesn't mean other people won't. I have a cage in my Talon, no AC, no stereo, get 10mpg, and have TEIN RAs in it. I drive it any chance I get if I don't need the space in the Denali. Just because you can't hack it in a car like that, doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

Hilg
 
Elegy
In racing terms, 2 or 3 seconds is a BIG freakin' lead, amigo.
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No, on the 'Ring, those 2 - 3 seconds mean you have a whopping 0.007% better lap. If laps only took a minute or two, then yes, those 3 seconds would be huge. But, when laps take 460 seconds or so in these cars, those 2 to 3 are very minimal.

Hilg
 
amp88
I agree, except for this point. I think the GT3 is just a little bit more advanced than the Vette :)
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the vette is newer, they had the opportunity to use all the newer technoligy there is. that is the advantage. that they didnt is their shortcoming, not porsches gain.

Elegy
In racing terms, 2 or 3 seconds is a BIG freakin' lead, amigo. On the Nurburgring, you probably wouldn't even SEE the other guy if you were 2 or 3 seconds ahead, except maybe if you were screaming down Dottinger-Hohe (the super-long straightaway at the end of the course).
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and yet the 3 second "huge" difference you talk of is way way within 1%. if you look at the post where i compared thier curb wieghts and power and so on (and edited for advantage) you'll notice the vette has a more than 20% advantage in each category whereas the porsche only has a 10%advantage in the sole category it has.

yet the times (giving you three seconds) are within 1% even with all that extra power and torque advantage and minimal weight difference.

like i said, you really should be saying theres more to that porsche than we think. no one is knocking the vette, but given the huge power and torque advantage, vs the very similar weights, it should be annihilating the GT3. i dont know why you don't want to admit it.
 
I disagree with you; considering the complexity of the course's layout, being able to shave off even a second of time without doing anything to your car mod-wise is significant. You need to know both your car and the course at the 'Ring.
 
Would it make you feel any better if I said that the times show that BOTH cars can hang with the 600+ bhp supercars and stand a reasonable chance of winning given competent drivers?

I don't see why YOU'RE all so hell-bent on dragging down the Corvette in favor of the GT3, frankly. For one thing, nobody was really bashing the Porsche in the first place, except for the mentioning that it managed to turn in a faster time (and that hardly qualifies as bashing). It seems like you just can't stand the fact that people are happy that the Corvette turned in such a good lap time.
 
so youre saying with all that extra power and so on (more than 20%) but only gaining 0.007% advantage timewise you have achieved something?

let me put it to you in simple terms. if your 7 liter vette beats my 3 liter benz in a drag race, you have achieved nothing. it should beat it, handily too if i may say.
 
The blue devil is rumored to still be in Germany, but I don't know to tell you the truth. Nobody really knows around the office right now since the whole project suddenly got real hush hush.

Anyone who bad mouths the Z06 I have this to say:

Unless you have driven it you don't fully understand it. I've ripped it through the gears on a road course and the test track at Milford Proving Grounds. I have driven it on the road and the freeway. The car handles better then any Vette I've ever driven and I've driven C2-C6 Vettes.

Just accept the fact the Vette is a good car, are there better ones...yes. But for the love of God just accept that Chevy built a quality car.
 
Elegy
Would it make you feel any better if I said that the times show that BOTH cars can hang with the 600+ bhp supercars and stand a reasonable chance of winning given competent drivers?

I don't see why YOU'RE all so hell-bent on dragging down the Corvette in favor of the GT3, frankly. For one thing, nobody was really bashing the Porsche in the first place, except for the mentioning that it managed to turn in a faster time (and that hardly qualifies as bashing). It seems like you just can't stand the fact that people are happy that the Corvette turned in such a good lap time.
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im not decrying the vettes performance. its a hell of a sportscar and is unparalleled in the world as far as sportscars are concerned.

im simply saying that statistically, it is a far superior machine, and the time should reflect accordingly.

do you agree that statistically it is a far superior machine? if so, how can you not be impressed by the GT3s performance? really. my little brother (he couldnt even make his school basketball team except as a sub) beating shaq is far more impressive than shaq beating my little brother.

why cant YOU admit it?
 
It would be a minimal achievement only the 'Ring were a gigantic oval course. But it's not. It's an extremely technical course where you need every last millisecond of time you can get. Figuring out how to shave off 2 or 3 seconds on the 'Ring is like figuring out how to shave off 7 or 8 seconds on Infineon Raceway. Which, by the way, is something I believe is something Jan could EASILY pull off given time.
 
im simply saying that statistically, it is a far superior machine, and the time should reflect accordingly.
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And I'm saying that it COULD'VE if Jan had been given more than an hour's worth of practice with the machine. What is so WRONG about that, man?

do you agree that statistically it is a far superior machine? if so, how can you not be impressed by the GT3s performance? really. my little brother (he couldnt even make his school basketball team except as a sub) beating shaq is far more impressive than shaq beating my little brother. why cant YOU admit it?
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Well, for one thing, this thread was meant to be about the Corvette, not the GT3. The Corvette turned in a damn fast lap, and it beat a hell of a lot of cars. Some were weaker, some were a HELL of a lot stronger. Are you saying that we can't be happy about the car's performance just because a weaker car somehow turned in a lap that was close to what the Corvette ran? I have nothing against Porsche at all, and I in fact am actually a Dodge Viper fanboy. I'm just saying that for this thread, the spotlight is on the 'Vette whether you like it or not. It was the entire point of the thread, and will continue to be the point of the thread. If you want to discuss the Porsche's merits, you're free to do so in another thread.
 
BlazinXtreme
The blue devil is rumored to still be in Germany, but I don't know to tell you the truth. Nobody really knows around the office right now since the whole project suddenly got real hush hush.

Anyone who bad mouths the Z06 I have this to say:

Unless you have driven it you don't fully understand it. I've ripped it through the gears on a road course and the test track at Milford Proving Grounds. I have driven it on the road and the freeway. The car handles better then any Vette I've ever driven and I've driven C2-C6 Vettes.

Just accept the fact the Vette is a good car, are there better ones...yes. But for the love of God just accept that Chevy built a quality car.
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so i have to drive the vette to understand that even with much better statistics it barely beats the GT3 at the ring? :lol:

im not sure what you guys are reading, but apart from its interior, i have not denied the vettes capability in any way, and i dont recall anybody else doing so in this thread.

what happened is some dolt came in crowing about the Z06s performance at the ring and how it trumped the porsche GT3. we "naysaysers" have done nothing but add a dose of reality to the picture; if the porsche has such a big disadvantage and still keeps its time within 1% than thats a greater testament to the porsche than the vette. thats all we have said. why you think we are talking negative i dont know.

if my old BMW 2002 almost keeps up with your vette in a race, isnt that a testament to its ability, without detracting fom the betterness of the vette?

and like i said, you fan boys have yet to raise the most salient fact of all. the one we cannot dispute.
 
Elegy
And I'm saying that it COULD'VE if Jan had been given more than an hour's worth of practice with the machine. What is so WRONG about that, man?
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and even giving you 3 seconds it was still a 0.007% beter time wsie. yeah, thats something to write a headline about. call the new york times please.



Well, for one thing, this thread was meant to be about the Corvette, not the GT3. The Corvette turned in a damn fast lap, and it beat a hell of a lot of cars. Some were weaker, some were a HELL of a lot stronger. Are you saying that we can't be happy about the car's performance just because a weaker car somehow turned in a lap that was close to what the Corvette ran? I have nothing against Porsche at all, and I in fact am actually a Dodge Viper fanboy. I'm just saying that for this thread, the spotlight is on the 'Vette whether you like it or not. It was the entire point of the thread, and will continue to be the point of the thread. If you want to discuss the Porsche's merits, you're free to do so in another thread.
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the problem is that in choosing the GT3 to crow over, you showed it (the GT3) to be a better machine. yes i know you're not the thread originator. its you by association.

nobody is denying the basic goodness and massive performance of the vette. it beat a car it should have beat. BIG DEAL. it should have annihilated the GT3. it didnt. that speaks more to the abilities of the GT3 than the vette.

supercars traditionally have had massive power, marginal handling, horrible economy, limited numbers, high prices. the vette beat marginal handling cars with almost the same power. give the engineers a cookie. :rolleyes:
 
Elegy
Humor us. What is your salient fact?
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the porsche is a race car in every way you can name. the Z06 is nowt but a hotted up vette.

porsche makes many a hotted up 911. the GT3 is the ultimate, the apogee, the pinnacle of them all.
race car trumps street car any time. they dont even compare.

there are two liter and 2.5 liter racecars from 20 even thirty eyars ago, that would give a modern vette a fright.
 
FAOLIU05
Like I said, a supercar doesn't have to be a well-rounded vehicle. It just has to have a purpose that defeats a road practicality. I'm not going to say this over and over. The HKS, the Z06, the Enzo... They're not meant for daily driving, thus rendering them utterly useless on the streets, especially through winter.
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So a maclaren f1 isn't a super car because it retains a bit of practicality.

neanderthal
you fanboys sometimes make me laugh. the sad thing is none of you have brought up the most salient fact of all.
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Everyone is a fanboy.

Ultimatly it is only one track, just because a car runs XXXX slower or faster than some other car, doesn't mean it is wrong or will be slower for you in other situations. The main advantage of the vette is price, though price is usually the last factor when a person shops for a car of that sort (look or performance always supercede it).

Nice job for the vette.
 
You do realize that among that list are cars with more than 100 horses and a lot of torque over the Corvette (the SLR and the Supra, for example), right?

If you don't think that it's enough time to be impressive, fine. And hell, maybe I am underestimating Jan in that regard. But the fact is that you're just unhappy that the Corvette is getting recognition that has been due to it for a long damn time. People have known how well the 911 handles on road courses ever since the thing's inception. On the other hand, few people outside those who actually drove it really believed in the Corvette's ability to tackle a road course. Now, with this lap time, there is real proof that it has become capable of matching or besting Europe's finest at their own game. This is an ACHIEVEMENT. The Porsche already got all the accolades it needed when it turned in its lap. It's the Corvette's turn now. If you have to cry a river, do so. Just be sure to make a bridge and get over it when you're done, okay? :dopey:
 
the porsche is a race car in every way you can name. the Z06 is nowt but a hotted up vette.
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The Z06 is pretty close to it in its own right. It uses several components (performance and non-performance related) from the C6-R race car. While there is bound to be some difference in handling (particularly with the relative lack of downforce), they're more similar to one another than your usual "race car version and street version".
 
Look, bottom line is: THE Z06 BEAT THE RS. Right at this very moment, we can't say that the RS can be pushed harder. We can't say that the Z06 was pushed to the absolute limit. None of us know either car personally.

And considering the Corvette increased a whole 58 seconds between '98 and '05 (or 24 seconds between '03 and '05 as far as Z06 models go), Chevrolet has come a long way and 7'42 is a significant achievement. It's a history making lap time for a production Corvette. Thats big news for me. I could careless about the RS and what its capable of.

The purpose of this thread was to commemorate Chevrolet's achievement and inform people that the Z06 is a force to reckon with (IMO the Vette has always been a force). 7'42 is big news, because it's never been done before by a production Corvette. For so long the Dodge Viper and Saleen S7 have overshadowed the under-estimated Corvette Z06. It's now beginning to submerge in a BIG way, considering it almost made top 10 at Nurburgring.

Hell, the entire C6 Corvette line is history making for Chevrolet. Never before has a base/standard Corvette model been produced with 400hp, or have a 7'56 lap time at the N-ring. Never before has a base/standard Corvette had a 186mph top speed. Never before has a production Z06 produced 505hp, or achieved a 200mph top speed. What the Vette was and what the Vette is today are two different things now.

So yeah... This is big news for me and Vette fans and a big acheivement for Chevrolet. Everything else is truly irrelevant.

Damn... these forums are filled with cynical assholes.
 
actaully the vettes prior to the C5 were junk as far as im concerned. so while youre somewhat right about the undeserved accolades, the GT3 is a better machine. the numbers don't lie.

if you wanna say the GT3 is basically a racecar, as i alluded to earlier we have no argument at all. but simply posting the numbers and saying vette wins by 0.01sec is not achieving anything worth writing home about. its not significant

lance could beat me in any race on a bike. no news there really. how many times do i have to say that? statistically the vette is a far superior machine. its time at the ring only shows how good the GT3 is. statistically speaking.
 
neanderthal
actaully the vettes prior to the C5 were junk as far as im concerned. so while youre somewhat right about the undeserved accolades, the GT3 is a better machine. the numbers dont lie.

if you wanna say the GT3 is basically a racecar, as i alluded to earlier we have no argument at all. but simply posting the numbers and saying vette wins by 0.01sec is not achieving anything worth writing home about. its not significant

lance could beat me in any race on a bike. no new there really. how amny times do i have to say that? statistically the vette is a far superior machine. its time at the ring only shows how good the GT3 is. statistically speaking.
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Than go cry to Chevrolet, they're the one's making a big deal about the Z06 beating an RS. Otherwise, SHUT UP!

BTW: I've given the GT3 RS credit, and I've stated that it is a well rounded track car. I'm not strictly a Vette fan. I am a car enthusiast. I know what a good car is. The RS's time was simply a goal Chevrolet set for the Z06. It beat that goal. Whether or not it was by one thousandth of a second or not, it still beat that goal.
 
Elegy
The Z06 is pretty close to it in its own right. It uses several components (performance and non-performance related) from the C6-R race car. While there is bound to be some difference in handling (particularly with the relative lack of downforce), they're more similar to one another than your usual "race car version and street version".
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ive yet to see a racecar with a radio or AC.

the GT3 has race car suspension, fuel cell, built in rollcage, very limited numbers, sold only to licensed racers etc etc etc IIRC. all the accoutrements that make a race car a race car. i would say its a race car civilised for the street whereas i would say the Z06 is a hotted up streetcar for the track
 
It's 0.1, but thank you for playing. :lol: Sorry, I couldn't resist that.

Frankly, I think that if the numbers are true, then the Z06 almost HAS to have potential in it for a much faster lap.
 
I'm not sure exactly which components from the C6-R are retained on the Z06. All I know is that it's more than just the windshield wipers and the oil gauge light.
 
FAOLIU05
Than go cry to Chevrolet, they're the one's making a big deal about the Z06 beating an RS. Otherwise, SHUT UP!
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no dummy you're the one who came in here and posted about it, not chevrolet. you're the one who defended them, not chevrolet.

i was under the distinct impression that you werent going to reply to my (our) posts anymore. please go back to doing so. we were having a nice discussion here without your vapid fanboyism making the whole place smell.
 
Elegy
Frankly, I think that if the numbers are true, then the Z06 almost HAS to have potential in it for a much faster lap.
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DON'T SAY THAT. It did what it did. Don't assume that it can go faster. Assumptions allow all these other people a chance to talk more about how the GT3 RS could be pushed further. We aren't going to get anywhere.
 

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