2008 Spanish GP

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Dull stuff. Bring on the next bore-fest - never liked Istanbul. Hopefully, the next one will be different.

why should I believe they managed to produce a topcar in just the three weeks between Bahrain and Barcelona?

The inclusion of a major mechanical update should do the trick - a proven update that worked wonders for the top-three teams. And post-race, I think we can all agree that Alonso was racing at nearly-BMW/McLaren speeds today.

...and I recall reading somewhere that statistically, the circuit is the most likely to produce a wet race

Would that be the BATracer introduction to the Barcelona round? :p

That was probably the most boring motorsport race I've seen all year

F1 can beat their chest all day about having the fastest cars, but it's been proven time and time again the faster the car is the harder it is to pass

Lack of traction control hasn't helped the drivers to pass, it's just causes them to crash

The circuits F1 runs on doesn't help, they've butchered the Hockenheim track and other great tracks like Spa have been removed from the schedule in favor of highly technical hard to pass cookie cutter tracks
In another thread you state Formula One sucks, so why do you bother watching?

Masochism might be the reason? Don't bother, he enjoys watching NASCAR and IRL, and then making threads about how superior they are.

Oh man was that a boring race... I fell asleep for most of it! :indiff:

First time that ever happened to me - I was tempted to fast-forward - I don't think we had a single overtake, apart from the first lap, and the Heidfeld Vs Backmarkers bits. The only interesting things were the retirements - I was gutted when my three of my favourites retired. At least Kovalainen's gotten away without a scratch, and Nakajima scored his maiden points. :cheers:
 
First time that ever happened to me - I was tempted to fast-forward - I don't think we had a single overtake, apart from the first lap, and the Heidfeld Vs Backmarkers bits.

DC passed Taku. At the same corner (and the same manouevre) where Glock tried to pass DC, but DC slammed the door shut.
 
DC passed Taku. At the same corner (and the same manouevre) where Glock tried to pass DC, but DC slammed the door shut.

I'll count that as half an overtake - it's against an Aguri, after all. :p

DC managed to shut quite a few doors lately... Though in this case, Glock tried a completely hopeless maneuver - he wasn't even close to actually getting the inside of the corner.
 
I was surprised that Lewis kept himself that close to the Ferrari's. I think the pit lane closure rule needs changing, because, Heidfeld (like Rubens) was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Stop and incur a 10sec stop-go penalty, or run out of fuel. Either way his race is dead. Stupid rule.

Surprised so many cars retired/crashed. I thought Vettel could maybe have avoided Sutil, maybe I'm being harsh, but I thought he could have gone to his right a bit more.
 
I was surprised that Lewis kept himself that close to the Ferrari's. I think the pit lane closure rule needs changing, because, Heidfeld (like Rubens) was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Stop and incur a 10sec stop-go penalty, or run out of fuel. Either way his race is dead. Stupid rule.

Teams are supposed to carry a bit of fuel for exactly those cases, though.

Surprised so many cars retired/crashed. I thought Vettel could maybe have avoided Sutil, maybe I'm being harsh, but I thought he could have gone to his right a bit more.

He had no choice - he braked hard, and was subsequently rear-ended, and forced into the Force car.

But Bourdais could definitely have avoided Piquet. Piquet pulled of a daring maneuver, but Bourdais turned straight into him. It's not as if he had no choice, either - but he shut a door that he left wide open in the first place.
 
It was kinda boring but not all that boring, seen some racing in the back and some strange moment (rubens,glock&heikki). Very glad kimi won , felipe 2nd :)

Renault really seemed to have made a step in to the good direction :)

Safetycar rules indeed are stupid ...

Cant wait for Turkish race :)
 
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It was Heidfeld who had a drive through penalty for pitting under SC before the pit lane was open, which is stupid as he was on fumes anyways.
This rule needs to change. I can understand closing the pits when the safety car comes out--this happens in a lot of series--but if they do that, they NEED to open pitlane much earlier than they do. One lap under the safety car gives them enough time to bring the whole field under control, and there is no reason why they shouldn't open the pits one lap after the safety car is deployed.
That bit with Kovaleinen was dramatic and Im glad he is ok... What is this with Mclaren and their wheel failures!
Two things need to be investigated here. The first is how Kovalainen's car was able to wedge itself underneath the tire barrier. Something is wrong with the way those barriers were set up. The second thing is that the FIA needs to look at more stringent requirements in terms of suspension, brakes, and wheel thicknesses. Teams shave everything down as much as possible to save weight, but we have seen numerous instances in the last two years where key components have failed (Kovalainen/Hamilton rim failures, Webber/Vettel brake disc explosions, numerous suspension failures). When a brake explodes or a rim comes apart, the driver has no way to turn or brake, essentially leaving him at the mercy of luck and physics. It is unacceptable to put drivers in such risk, just to save a kilo or two. I don't think you'll hear anyone complain if they require these pieces to be beefed up a bit (unsprung mass be damned!).
 
Alonso wasn't fueled as light as I thought. I was thinking more like Trulli at the 2005 USGP. :lol: I'm far from an Alonso fan, but I found myself disappointed to see him retire from the race. I'm happy that Kimi won but I would have rather seen a more interesting race. Also, seeing Heikki wave to the crowd was a huge relief. I was really worried when the marshals had difficulty extracting his car from the tire wall. I sure hope he makes a full recovery.

Anyone catch Ron Dennis' comment about Kubica's nose during the pre-race segment? I understand that it was a joke and didn't find it too offensive, but it was strange to hear it from a team principal speaking about another team's driver. :odd:
 
Ron seemed to be a little...loopy during that interview. Someone should check his medicine cabinet.
 
The safety car should always stay put at the pitexit to wait for the leaders, granted this time he "had" to escort the medical car to the scene of the accident, but even after that he continued to speed away with Alonso & co behind up until the next corner.

Also the cars far away from the leaders should be told to catch the leaders as soon as possible, instead of conserving fuel while doing so.

If these rules were to be put in place, the field should be gathered within 1 lap and nobody should run out of fuel.

This time it took 3 laps I think to gather the field up which is totally unacceptable, teams should have a 1 lap margin in their fuel loads but you can't expect them to have 3...
 
Lack of traction control hasn't helped the drivers to pass, it's just causes them to crash

Please, a lack of TC has made the racing a lot better this year. The cars are just plain fun to watch without TC. But this is Catalunya, you cannot pass on this track. It is dominated by aero performance and with the current generation of cars it is impossible to pass on a track like this.

The circuits F1 runs on doesn't help, they've butchered the Hockenheim track and other great tracks like Spa have been removed from the schedule in favor of highly technical hard to pass cookie cutter tracks

Spa is still on the calendarÂ… :odd:

that was a sneaking comment from ron :grumpy::scared:

Hilarious.
 
anyone think the GP2 race before this was a little more exciting?

poor Vettel..

Yes, the GP2 racing was good. Those new Renaults with side skirts ( ground effects ) were quick. Lots of close racing and some overtaking. And slicks. Will Bruno Senna prove as gifted as his father? F1 was a big disappointment for me. Tough luck for the Spaniard...👍
Gutted.
 
:lol: @ Ron Dennis comment.

Will Bruno Senna prove as gifted as his father?.

Do you really know who Bruno Senna is? :odd:
To be honest, I don't think he could ever live up to Ayrton's name. He hasn't been spectacular in GP2 so far (well, judging by his last years performance in GP2) and he would almost struggle in F1 in the future like Glock and Nelsinho (Hamilton was just lucky to get that McLaren seat) if he was to drive for a midfield team. Yeah, I did overestimate him at times, but I really have to agree with others about him.

Well at least the news of Kovalainen is that he seems okay and hopefully would be able to race in Turkey. 👍
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/04/27/overnight-stay-for-kovalainen/
No news about the tire failure, but most probably it was a wheel rim failure.
 
I thought Bruno Senna was Senna's nephew, not his son. And he will never be as gifted as his father. I consider Senna the best of all time and Bruno didn't exactly completely blow away everyone on multiple occassions in GP2 so ya. Ayrton on the other hand would win the occasional race in an underpowered Lotus compared to McLaren and Williams back then.
 
Bruno is Ayrton's nephew, not his son. No idea where that idea was got but there's one thing that explains a lot...
 
and he would almost struggle in F1 in the future like Glock and Nelsinho (Hamilton was just lucky to get that McLaren seat) if he was to drive for a midfield team.

Piquet did rather well at the start, except when he ran wide into the sand. Had it been one of the parking-lot circuits, he would've rejoined with just a position or two lost. And really, his retirement was 100% Bourdais' fault - Piquet was side by side and on the inside, when Bourdais just turned into him...

And Hamilton got his seat for a very good reason - he was in the McLaren development program for ages, and was routed into the McLaren. Luck had nothing to do with it - just years of a planned future, coupled with lots of driving-skill on Hamilton's side.
 
Piquet did rather well at the start, except when he ran wide into the sand. Had it been one of the parking-lot circuits, he would've rejoined with just a position or two lost. And really, his retirement was 100% Bourdais' fault - Piquet was side by side and on the inside, when Bourdais just turned into him...

And Hamilton got his seat for a very good reason - he was in the McLaren development program for ages, and was routed into the McLaren. Luck had nothing to do with it - just years of a planned future, coupled with lots of driving-skill on Hamilton's side.

I think the move of Piquet was an bit over enthusiasm. Bourdais clearly didn't expected it and he just turned into the apex. Atleast that what we saw on TV lol
 
I think the move of Piquet was an bit over enthusiasm. Bourdais clearly didn't expected it and he just turned into the apex. Atleast that what we saw on TV lol

Bourdais braked kinda early, Piquet a little late - but they were side-by-side when Bourdais turned in. He has to know when to give up on that corner, like any other driver...
 
Maybe if Ayrton hadn't have died he could have mentored Bruno further, but it was not to be.

Let's hope not. "His father died in a motorcycle crash in 1995"


Riding the new Senna bike.
 
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