Quotes are from the Interceptor. I'm not so good at this, but I'm gonna try.
I think it's a bit bold to claim that Kimi did this on purpose. If you consider that all drivers are at 110% at the start, and that it all happens lightning fast, you will have to accept that decisions have to be made. So if Kimi had played with the thought of braking hard to catch the corner and loose a couple of positions in the race, he probably wouldn't be a very good racing driver. So he took the runoff area, which I actually am fine with.
I think Kimi braked hard enough to take la source from the outside line. You can see from footage that he's being forced to the outside by Trulli, probably the reason he took the off-track road.
Nevertheless, I don't think there necessarily would have been a crash if he hadn't left the track. Of course, you can argue that there would have been, since it is absolutely clear that there are cars in the spot where Kimi would have been if he had stayed on the track. We'll never know for sure though, because those cars only were in that spot because there was no opponent at the time.
Yep, we'll never really know. My thought on this is that the Toyota had too much speed momentum to evade Kimi if Kimi would have been there. But again, we'll never know.
My gripe with this situation however is that Kimi, while being off the track, actually did gain a position, and gained another one after coming back.
Kimi gained two positions, Trulli and Heidfeld. Kubica after Eau Rouge.
Sure, the way is longer, but does that really matter?
Yes, I guess.
Usually, cutting a chicane means going a shorter route, so you will obviously have an advantage.
Yes, if there's no gravel trap, like last year.
But does that mean that when the way you go is longer, you won't have an advantage?
Only when you take the corner like it's wider and carry more speed through it, which Kimi didn't do IMO, he slowed down enough appropriate for thaking the corner between the white lines.
In this case, Kimi was able to carry much more speed through the first right-hander, because he simply didn't take it as tightly.
Correct. He was forced to the outside, and didn't anticipate while entering the corner to take it more wider than usual.
Right in the bend, he was driving alongside of 3rd and 4th position. If he had braked harder to stay on the track, he likely would have found himself behind those cars and beside the 5th positioned car.
He braked hard enough, he simply didn't steer enough, because there would have been a collision otherwise.
When Kimi came back onto the track from the runoff area however, he was exactly alongside 3rd position
He was a little before heidfeld, which was then 4th, and behind Kubica, which was second.
and had enough momentum to overtake him into Eau Rouge, getting 3rd position.
Second position.
So he entered the curve between 3rd and 4th, would likely have been 5th if he had tried to make the turn and got out as 3rd because he didn't.
Or he would have likely have collided with Trulli.
Now, I'm not saying that he planned to do that from the beginning. I think that he was put into the position of leaving the track (though he didn't really try to prevent that), and that he simply tried to make the best of it.
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The question is: is that gaining an advantage? Thinking back to last years incident with Hamilton and Massa, Hamilton effectively was penalised because "you have to drive on the track at all times". Sure, people leave the track all the time for all kinds of reasons, but mostly, they lose pace because of that. In this case, even if it was not intentional, Kimi gained two advantages through leaving the track.
You mean the
Kimi/Hamilton incident. It was rather about cutting off chicanes, and giving the position back. The real point was that Hamilton was closer to Kimi with cutting the chicane, than if he would have taken the chicane properly. But, cutting off chicanes means taking a shorter route instead of a longer one.
I understand that this is an incident at the borderline if being penalised or not, obviously, it is open to a lot of discussion. The fact that a penalty wasn't even considered however leaves me baffeled. Ususally, the stuarts are on top of every tiny little thing and penalise even minor necessities. Here, there wasn't even an official discussion. And that's what bugs me the most.
Well, you can say that they're consistent on this matter. Also Button and Badoer did it this GP. Sutil overtook Badoer outside the white line this GP. I'm sure Rubens passed some cars which didn't spin out on les combes. Last year Massa, Kimi and maybe others did it too.
Alot of people did thesame last year in the first corner at hockenheim, in fact every year. Exit of T4 at the nurburgring everybody does it on every lap. It is gaining advantage on your laptime over there. As long as the FIA ignores these incidents, Kimi shouldn't be penalised. In fact, he probably can't be penalised at all because he did an evasive manouvre. FIA aren't making a point of it and the drivers or teams don't do it either. If they would, I woiuld agree with them saying that the white line only may be crossed if you made a mistake or take evasive action. Kimi still falls in this category IMO.
I think it's unfair that everybody is talking about it
now when Kimi did it, and he won. It's being done for a long time already in F1, and I never heard anybody complain about it.
OMG that's a long post!
