2009 Grand Prix de Monaco

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PJ-FFL
No i'm not that in love with them, but i'm just looking at possibilities. The Brawn isn't a very fast car in the straight line (so says David Hobbs), so, as i always say the day before every race, "We will see"
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Well Monaco certainly isn't a straight line. ;)

That said, I think Kimi has a genuine chance at the win, its him or Button, I can't see the other Brawn winning.

Kimi could jump Brawn off the line, but Button has a few more laps to potentially re-jump Kimi in the pits. It's touch and go, but Button is probably most likely to win. I am rooting for Kimi in this one (I don't normally support Kimi :p).
 
PJ-FFL: Monaco isn't exactly a track known for its straights so how is the Ferrari being a better straight line car than the Brawn a benefit for this track?

SaberFire: Kers cars and non kers cars still weigh the same overall with an empty fuel tank. So whether a car has kers or not and weighs eg. 650kg it should pretty much run the same distance. Vettel is stuck with a much lighter fuel load on a track that is hard to overtake with everybody in front of him being heavier. Vettel will have to rely on strategy to get some clean air to try get ahead, he is in a pretty bad spot though for the start on paper.
 
J-PaP
PJ-FFL: Monaco isn't exactly a track known for its straights so how is the Ferrari being a better straight line car than the Brawn a benefit for this track?
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I doubt they meant a literal straight line, as the Mercedes engine is said to be one of the fastest. I think he probably meant in terms of raw pace, even still, Kimi has his work cut-out if he wants to win.
 
Things just got worse for Lewis.

Lewis Hamilton will be starting from the back of the grid in Sunday's Monaco Grand Prix after the McLaren team received a five-place grid penalty as a result of a post-qualifying gearbox change. Having qualified sixteenth after a crash on Saturday, the World Champion will now start from either the pit lane or twentieth spot on the grid.



Tipped as a dark horse for victory in Monte-Carlo this weekend, Hamilton's challenge had already been made all the more difficult after an unforced error not only brought out the red flags but saw the 2008 Champion plummet to 16th position in qualifying.

With knowledge of their driver's lowly grid position, however, the Woking-based team elected to change the gearbox ahead of the race and consequently pay the prize of five grid positions for doing so. "We have collectively decided that we have to change the gearbox because of damage," team principal Martin Whitmarsh revealed, "so he will be starting from the back." With the gearbox unit located at the rear of the car, the Woking-based squad's analysis revealed that the qualifying crash impact would result in further gremlins during Sunday's race.
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Source: http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/05/23/gearbox-change-drops-hamilton-to-last/
 
Robin.
I felt that the BBC coverage has improved somewhat but it still seems like cabaret on a boat... a bit too relaxed for my liking but the intro in the vintage merc was a nice touch.

Also they are starting to talk about Button too much like ITV did with Hamilton, really shows some people are just glory supporters. Yes he is a UK driver and it is a UK audience but people do get tired about hearing about him.
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Ok, I thought these comments would eventually crop up, but seriously, are they meant to not talk about the championship leader at all? It was rediculous with ITV when they went on about Button or Coulthard when they were no where, but now we have a British driver who is championship leader, is grabbing pole positions out of no where (which is dramatic in itself) and he's a hugely likable person.

There's bias and then there's keeping on topic, I think the BBC obviously has a little bias for obvious reasons but they generally keep the coverage nice and balanced, with plenty of interviews of other drivers and most of the features have been on foreign drivers, we've yet to tour Hamilton or Button's home have we?

Seriously, you're criticising them for talking about the winning driver?
 
Metar
It sounded at some points like they need some tissue paper after every mention of Button today, though.
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Or more specifically, Legard. In Q2 he was over the top with talking about Button. That said, I feel BBC's coverage on the whole is several magnitudes greater than ITV
 
Never heard ITV coverage, except when RTL attached their microphone's to Allen's mouth for that orgasm at the end of 2008's Monaco race.
 
Metar
It sounded at some points like they need some tissue paper after every mention of Button today, though.
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I did :p

I think they are allowed to get away with it personally, mostly because this is a special season for Button, and he did pull this one out of nowhere. The once-underdog dominating so much is fairly emotional.

Though I will gladly admit Legard overdoes it but I don't really listen to him mostly because his commentary can be summed up as:
"There's <driver>"
"On a charge"
"Over the hill"
"Down the hill"
"Round the corner"
"Can he top the time?"
"He's on a real charge"
"He's on a flier"
"And he goes fastest"
 
I prefer the Radio 5 live commentary. Legard is beginning to get a little bit too Allenish for my tastes.
 
I don't think he will ever be as bad as Allen, but he's certainly not brilliant. I don't want to miss Brundle's commentary though, and Legard's voice is easy to ignore so I don't mind (that was the problem with Allen he shouted way too much and it was hard to ignore, at least Legard is fairly quiet and football-like, so he blends usually.)

I would always recommend the CBBC commentary though, thats a laugh, Perry McCarthy ftw!
 
Meh, Belgian commentary FTW! There's no Belgian drivers in F1, so they've got nothing to be exited about :p
 
Ardius
I don't think he will ever be as bad as Allen, but he's certainly not brilliant. I don't want to miss Brundle's commentary though, and Legard's voice is easy to ignore so I don't mind (that was the problem with Allen he shouted way too much and it was hard to ignore, at least Legard is fairly quiet and football-like, so he blends usually.)
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Agreed, I don't think Legard is terrible, I haven't made my mind up on him yet, he went on about Button too much in Q2 today, but then not so much in Q3, maybe someone let him know it was getting too much. I agree he's ceratinly not Allen, I couldn't stand Allen, I can stand Legard.

I certainly agree about Brundle, he knows his stuff, he is a very good commentator IMO, the coverage wouldn't be what it is if he wasn't there. BBC as a whole is entertaining for me. Things are much better than last year (and the previous years).
 
Ardius
Though I will gladly admit Legard overdoes it but I don't really listen to him mostly because his commentary can be summed up as:
"There's <driver>"
"On a charge"
"Over the hill"
"Down the hill"
"Round the corner"
"Can he top the time?"
"He's on a real charge"
"He's on a flier"
"And he goes fastest"
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Don't forget:
"Is winding himself up"


WTF is that supposed to mean? :irked:
 
Alex.
Don't forget:
"Is winding himself up"


WTF is that supposed to mean? :irked:
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I wondered that too, he says that all the time. He repeats himself quite a lot. I can't make my mind up on his commentary.

I think he will improve personally.
 
We shall see, Button's starts haven't been that bad, and KERS isn't useful off the line here, though it might be useful in the tunnel.
Also, if Jenson does lose off the line, who has the best pit wall crew? ;)

The rest of the teams are safe in the knowledge that Bill and Ben operate the Ferrari pit wall :p

Oh and which driver has consistently put in the super-quick laps when needed between pit stops? I think the odds are vastly in Jenson's favour.
 
Ardius
We shall see, Button's starts haven't been that bad, and KERS isn't useful off the line here, though it might be useful in the tunnel.
Also, if Jenson does lose off the line, who has the best pit wall crew? ;)
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I would be hesitant to say its not useful, rather that it isn't as much of an advantage as it usually is off the line.

The rest of the teams are safe in the knowledge that Bill and Ben operate the Ferrari pit wall :p
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That is true.

Oh and which driver has consistently put in the super-quick laps when needed between pit stops? I think the odds are vastly in Jenson's favour.
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Yes, all Button would have to do is keep within passing distance by Kimi's pitstop. I am fairly confident Button will win this one, its his race too loose at this stage.
 
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This race puts me in a weird situation. As a lifelong Ferrari fan I would dearly love to see them win tomorrow, but I have also been a Button fan for years, so I would love to see him claim the championship and any wins he can.

However, when looking at the situation, Kimi and Ferrari have already won titles, so I would prefer to see Button and Brawn win again here. Shouldn't be that difficult.
 
Stevisiov.
I would be hesitant to say its not useful, rather that it isn't as much of an advantage as it usually is off the line.
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Bram Turismo
Woah, since when left Renault KERS behind? I still remember Piquet holding off Hamilton at Bahrain...
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Stevisiov has your answer, Bram: Renault have a system that works well, but they decide on a race-by-race basis whether or not to fit KERS. They didn't have KERS in Malaysia or China (one of them, not both) as well, if I'm not mistaken.
 
Bram Turismo
Woah, since when left Renault KERS behind? I still remember Piquet holding off Hamilton at Bahrain...
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It seems like it is more of a race-by-race decision.



I hope Kimi passes Button after the 1st corner when he is going uphill. I don't think KERS will be much help before then.
 
More improvements for Ferrari. How many teams can develop their car at that phenomenal rate? We have Brawn's and Red Bull's number. It's only a matter of time till the wins come at a more consistent rate, although it may be a little too late. Nevertheless I'm feeling good about 2010. Ferrari and Mclaren will be the two most experienced teams with KERS so I wouldn't be surprised to see a repeat of the 07 and 08 seasons. And Ferrari are the only ones making KERS work.

FORZA FERRARI!!!! Come on Kimster get on that (B)button!!!! ;)

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As much as I hate to say it, this race is Button's to lose. Raikkonen has had a very frustrating 2009 so far, and now that he's finally at thepointy end of the grid, he might get a little over-zealous with KERS off the line with the result being his mounting Button through Ste. Devote and putting thm both out. If Button's smart and Raikkonen is right there at the first corner, he'll yield because he's got more fuel and he can put in fast laps when he absolutely has to and catch Raikkonen back up during the stops. He's pretty much the only man in the field who can consistently do it right now.
Metar
Never heard ITV coverage, except when RTL attached their microphone's to Allen's mouth for that orgasm at the end of 2008's Monaco race.
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Well, just imagine that every time Hamilton was on-screen. And sometimes when he wasn't.
 
Do you race?
If Button's smart and Raikkonen is right there at the first corner, he'll yield because he's got more fuel and he can put in fast laps when he absolutely has to and catch Raikkonen back up during the stops. He's pretty much the only man in the field who can consistently do it right now.
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You are joking right? Button is the only guy who can lap consistently quickly currently?
 

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