2009 Grand Prix de Monaco

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Stevisiov.
You are joking right? Button is the only guy who can lap consistently quickly currently?
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The word lap is conspicuously absent from the passage you are quoting. I see it as meaning consistently delivering the results.
 
You could take the the lap out and I still don't think its a valid statement.
 
Button is simply the only one who has the proper conditions to "hold back" and then put in the fast laps during the pit-stops: He has the fast car. A driver in the slower car can't hold back. For that matter, Vettel did the same at Bahrain - when you can't overtake, you lap behind and wait to jump the guy during the stops.
 
Tired Tyres
The word lap is conspicuously absent from the passage you are quoting. I see it as meaning consistently delivering the results.
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Yes, that's exactly what I mean: Button is the only driver who has consistently kicked it up a notch when the guy in front pits, so much so that when he comes out from his own stop, he's in front. He did it to Glock in Malaysia and again to one of the Toyotas in Bahrain and he did it to Barrichello in Barcelona. Other drivers have done it, sure, but not nearly as often as Button has. And Ferrari are going to be very wary of that; they can't afford not to be.
 
Do you race?
Yes, that's exactly what I mean: Button is the only driver who has consistently kicked it up a notch when the guy in front pits, so much so that when he comes out from his own stop, he's in front. He did it to Glock in Malaysia and again to one of the Toyotas in Bahrain and he did it to Barrichello in Barcelona. Other drivers have done it, sure, but not nearly as often as Button has. And Ferrari are going to be very wary of that; they can't afford not to be.
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That's because of his position. He doesn't suddenly "find" speed - he just holds back before because he doesn't want to risk an overtake. Button is the only one - save, at times, Barrichello and Vettel - who consistently had the better car. If you watch previous seasons, you'll see Kimi, Alonso, Massa, Hamilton and the rest have all done it when they could and needed to. It's a common strategy when you have a faster car - fuel a lap or two longer, cling behind the guy, and once he pits, unleash the full pace of your car while he drives around on a filled tank.

Only the faster car of the two can complete such strategies: The slower car will drive at the limit anyway. Jenson's strategy isn't new, it's just new for him. Nothing to write home about, anyway.
 
Stevisiov.
I would be hesitant to say its not useful, rather that it isn't as much of an advantage as it usually is off the line.
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Kimi can't use it off the line, by the time he can, he's almost hitting the braking point for Sainte Devote. It will be useful later on in the lap, most likely after the tunnel or on lap 2 into Sainte Devote.

It will be a battle of reactions off the line, and both teams have had decent starts in recent races, though Button may be at a disadvantage, if he gets enough speed to stay alongside, he has the inside and should be able to hold Kimi off.
It will be interesting because Jenson may hold back from battling too much with Kimi in the interest of his championship whereas Kimi has nothing to lose.
 
Ardius
Kimi can't use it off the line, by the time he can, he's almost hitting the braking point for Sainte Devote. It will be useful later on in the lap, most likely after the tunnel or on lap 2 into Sainte Devote.

It will be a battle of reactions off the line, and both teams have had decent starts in recent races, though Button may be at a disadvantage, if he gets enough speed to stay alongside, he has the inside and should be able to hold Kimi off.
It will be interesting because Jenson may hold back from battling too much with Kimi in the interest of his championship whereas Kimi has nothing to lose.
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I don't think your giving KERS enough justice, it kicks in at 62 mph which is about a second or so from the start, that's still plenty of time to use KERS before the start, now it probably isn't going enough if Button gets a good launch, but if his launch is less than perfect, then KERS can do more than enough to make up the difference which is why there is still a distinct opportunity of a pass if Button doesn't get a good launch.
 
Metar
That's because of his position. He doesn't suddenly "find" speed - he just holds back before because he doesn't want to risk an overtake. Button is the only one - save, at times, Barrichello and Vettel - who consistently had the better car. If you watch previous seasons, you'll see Kimi, Alonso, Massa, Hamilton and the rest have all done it when they could and needed to. It's a common strategy when you have a faster car - fuel a lap or two longer, cling behind the guy, and once he pits, unleash the full pace of your car while he drives around on a filled tank.

Only the faster car of the two can complete such strategies: The slower car will drive at the limit anyway. Jenson's strategy isn't new, it's just new for him. Nothing to write home about, anyway.
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I completely concur. It's like there is a two, three races memory in F1 speculation. For example, a lot of people seems to suddenly have forgotten what an exceptional driver Kimi is. He was the same exceptional driver before Monaco 2009 qualifying. And a lot of others are too. Like Barrichello in Honda. Nothing wrong with the driver.
 
Stevisiov.
I don't think your giving KERS enough justice, it kicks in at 62 mph which is about a second or so from the start, that's still plenty of time to use KERS before the start, now it probably isn't going enough if Button gets a good launch, but if his launch is less than perfect, then KERS can do more than enough to make up the difference which is why there is still a distinct opportunity of a pass if Button doesn't get a good launch.
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It's a question of physics. If it takes one second to get to 62mp/h, how long does it usually take to get to Ste. Devote? The more KERS you, the faster you're going, but the faster you're going, the more time you need to slow yourself back down. True, the brakes on a Formula One car are so good that the difference will only be in the tenths or hundreths of a second, but as Button proved in taking pole, Formula One is a sport where the difference between first and second is measured in the tenths and hundreths of a second.
 
An F1 car actually takes around 2 seconds to get to 60mph, so it's even less time for Kimi.
 
The fuel corrected lap times shown on TV show that Button, Raikkonen and Barrichello have a big gap to the rest of the top 8.
 
Duffers917K
An F1 car actually takes around 2 seconds to get to 60mph, so it's even less time for Kimi.
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Well, that just adds to my theory: KERS might be negated by the times and distances to the first corner. But I figure that because the pole slot is not on the outside, if JB gets the jump and cuts across, Raikkonen won't be able to do a thing. Of course, that leaves him wide open to Barrichello from P3, but Rubens has to travel further.
 
It's about 500 Metres to Ste. Devote from Pole. This is the start with the biggest chance of an incident and I've just noticed that Rosberg's car had smoke coming out of the back of it.
 
Tired Tyres
It's about 500 Metres to Ste. Devote from Pole. This is the start with the biggest chance of an incident and I've just noticed that Rosberg's car had smoke coming out of the back of it.
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So long as Kimi doesn't take Button out; I don't much care for the rest. But don't spoil it for me as the telecast doesn't start for an hour. In the meantime, I have to put up with THE BIGGEST LOSER USA (but it's better than HARPER'S ISLAND).
 
Do you race?
In the meantime, I have to put up with THE BIGGEST LOSER USA (but it's better than HARPER'S ISLAND).
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As I said in 'The Elf' thread, it sucks to have delayed telecasts. :grumpy:

I've got to put up with Biggest Loser too, but I've got American Idol on Foxtel instead (swapping 1 form of torture for another!! :lol: )
 
Congrats to Brawn(again), and ferrari. Ferrari really have their game back now.
 
Button, Barrichello, and Raikkonen are on the podium, with Massa 4th. I think it's safe to say Ferrari's back, but waiting for the super-softs killed their chances of a win (Please clarify if I'm wrong, I only watched the last 22 laps).
 
Great to see my man Kimi get a good result. Hopefully it wasn't a one off, it shouldn't be.
 
LancerEvo7GSR
Button, Barrichello, and Raikkonen are on the podium, with Massa 4th. I think it's safe to say Ferrari's back, but waiting for the super-softs killed their chances of a win (Please clarify if I'm wrong, I only watched the last 22 laps).
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Had they used them in the opening laps, they could've lost more: Vettel, just ahead of Massa, used Softs on the opening stint, and lost out big-time as they faded after ten laps or so.
 
LancerEvo7GSR
Button, Barrichello, and Raikkonen are on the podium, with Massa 4th. I think it's safe to say Ferrari's back, but waiting for the super-softs killed their chances of a win (Please clarify if I'm wrong, I only watched the last 22 laps).
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Nope. Ferrari were never quick enough to win this one. They had the 2nd best car though and that is a big step forward. It wouldn't surprise me if Massa wins in Turkey.

Hard luck on Fisi though. 9th is not the best place to finish when your team hasn't scored any points.
 
I predict Red Bull will be back for next race, its going to be tought to pick between red bull, Ferrari and Brawn.
 
I hope Turkey is better than this snooze-fest. I'd also like to think Massa can defend his 3 year unbeaten streak there.
 
During the race, Massa cut the chichane twice, but the marshalls only gave ferrari a warning. Pretty strange huh?
 

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