2009 GT5P Updates Wishlist!

[bicycleshorts]

No, the game isn't perfect.
No, by making tweaks to GT5P it isn't taking time away from the full GT5, it's helping it.
No, £25 really isn't a lot for what GT5P offers. Not to mention we have got a number of small updates so far and haven't had to pay a penny extra.
Yes, it's a shame the "fall update" wasn't a bit bigger
Yes, we're all a little disappointed by that
No, we don't care if you're playing another game in the meantime, that's your perogative and we aren't all going to cry because you've thrown your toys out of the pram.
Yes, I know you want flipping private rooms. We all do.
Yes, you're going to have to wait for flipping private rooms. You aren't the only one so quit moaning.
And yes, it's only a sodding demo. And a damn good one at that. Live with it.

*Agree*

All the people annoyed at having to leave Prologue to play another game.. Isn't that the point of a console? To play many games instead of just one? With that said, I've got DiRT, Grid, Sega Rally, Heavenly Sword, COD4 and a few other games. Put them all together and it's probably half the amount of time I've spent on a half-price demo.

Though, I personally think that PD should use GT5p as a beta version of GT5 and release as much as possible to the gamers still playing (since they're most likely not the casual ones) and see what blows up - and learn how to fix it before the release of GT5. If that has as many errors in judgement as GT5p did, I would be very annoyed.

 

[G.T.Ace]

The post above, including the quoted one, should be stickied on the front page. lol

 

[Tired Tyres]

I second that.

I'd say the update is over for now but I wouldn't bet against Spec4 in about six months time.

 

[ChadSpeed]

I agree. One of the biggest rules when you produce any type of product (whether it's a game, movie or a tv show) is that you have to look at what works and what doesn't. It's just a smart thing to do to ensure you come up with a better product.

When it comes to online gaming, PD really needs to look at what else is being offered.

Many of us feel that way. I've said this exact thing since GT4. The Japanese gamer is much different from us here in the US, UK, etc. They don't love online gaming the way we do, and from my experience they have no need for voice chat. While playing online in PGR3 with 2 of my Japanese friends in a room they hosted full of other Japanese players, non used a mic. PD would be embarrassed if they had taken FM2 online and then gave us GT5P online as is. All the issues PD has have been resolved by other developers, they don't care to know about that, just start from scratch and fix as the see fit.

Of course using the " it's a Prologue" line makes a wonderful excuse for all issues.

 

[P1]

Many of us feel that way. I've said this exact thing since GT4. The Japanese gamer is much different from us here in the US, UK, etc. They don't love online gaming the way we do, and from my experience they have no need for voice chat. While playing online in PGR3 with 2 of my Japanese friends in a room they hosted full of other Japanese players, non used a mic. PD would be embarrassed if they had taken FM2 online and then gave us GT5P online as is. All the issues PD has have been resolved by other developers, they don't care to know about that, just start from scratch and fix as the see fit.

Of course using the " it's a Prologue" line makes a wonderful excuse for all issues.

Its not that they dont care, they just dont see online as the most important thing for prolouge, they are getting the physics, penaltys and things sorted out first and then move onto the online stuff.

 

[Soundtrack]

I suspect not everybody has the “ability” to pay two times for the same clumsy game, neither to give away almost the price of a full game for even their favorite track.

While I understand and mostly agree with the arguments regarding the cost saving /return on investment/ alcohol cure posted above, I really fear the fact that Polyphony would go the way of downloadable content. In my opinion, not only would this bring the full (complete) game to a price tag hardly imaginable, but this could really affect in a very bad way the online gameplay (probably more than the fact we are missing private rooms at this stage).
What kinds of events will you be able to propose in places like here? What happens if not everybody owns all the cars that join a race. How will you setup an online championship if not everybody owns the same tracks?...

An “incomplete” appetizer followed by an overloaded (and delayed) full incarnation is part of the franchise’s signature now, and I cross my fingers for it to stay that way.

 

[bicycleshorts]

I really fear the fact that Polyphony would go the way of downloadable content.

GT5p is one of the PS3's 'flagship' games. I couldn't imagine Sony would be very happy if the developers decided to go down the downloadable content road. That means they can't really produce any more hype, special bundle packs, competitions and so on for the full version of GT5.

I would eat my left hand if GT5 was not released as a full game. I suspect there will be downloadable content afterwards - but who knows if it will cost or not. So far it has not, but that's a rarity.

 

[ASH32]

GT5p is one of the PS3's 'flagship' games. I couldn't imagine Sony would be very happy if the developers decided to go down the downloadable content road. That means they can't really produce any more hype, special bundle packs, competitions and so on for the full version of GT5.

I would eat my left hand if GT5 was not released as a full game. I suspect there will be downloadable content afterwards - but who knows if it will cost or not. So far it has not, but that's a rarity.

Is Home not one of Sonys "flagship" games, £3.99 for a summer house could = £3.99 for a track, £0.79 each for bits of a santa costume could = £0.79 per car, does this not suggest that instead of it being PD pushing it, Sony could indeed force them to do it. Companies don't bother if they upset a few as long as they make money. Sony seems to view downloadable content as an easy way of doing this, especially when people are quite willing to pay. If people didn't would we get it cheaper or even free, would they just not make it, who knows. I just worry that we are heading into a downloadable content future and one that doesn't look good.

 

[P1]

I think 50p per car and £1.50 for a track would be an ok price.

 

[MJH]

I think 50p per car and £1.50 for a track would be an ok price.

As long as gt5 is a full game, i have no problem with paying a reasonable amount for extra content at a later date. Think about it, new tracks and cars don't just magically appear for free on pd's hard drives, they are modelled, programmed etc, which costs money. So why should we get it for free?

 

[Tired Tyres]

Ha. That's 500 cars and 50 tracks to you sir!

 

[Soundtrack]

I couldn't imagine Sony would be very happy if the developers decided to go down the downloadable content road.

Unfortunately, both Home and Little Big Planet (indeed other Sony’s Flagships) are going the other way. It’s really a major concern, I think, because many hints are showing we are heading to the micro-transaction model in the gaming industry. While this is not such a “big deal” when it comes to secondary things like avatars clothing and furniture, it may become a problem when it’s about actual gameplay (tracks and cars in GT5).

 

[MJH]

Gt5 will be a full game when released (hopefully). Pd will continue modelling cars and tracks after it's release. Would you prefer that pd keep these till the next game or offer them for sale as a download. If you don't want them, then you don't have to buy them.

 

[MJH]

Gt5 will be a full game when released (hopefully). Pd will continue modelling cars and tracks after it's release. Would you prefer that pd keep these till the next game or offer them for sale as a download. If you don't want them, then you don't have to buy them.

 

[AutoAki]

Gt5 will be a full game when released (hopefully). Pd will continue modelling cars and tracks after it's release. Would you prefer that pd keep these till the next game or offer them for sale as a download. If you don't want them, then you don't have to buy them.

I really hope that is the way in future... no waiting for new releases for years. We have internet in these days.

Continuously incomes are better for PD also, than doing job for years before payday... and customers are angry because waiting.

Ofcourse there could be some 'Big Updates' in several years when they would release new game-engine or something like that, and it would cost more than few bucks. New features could also cost more than basic stuff, like tracks and cars.

That's the way I see future should be, and it would be more environmentally friendly too, and cheaper many ways.

 

[P1]

Unfortunately, both Home and Little Big Planet (indeed other Sony’s Flagships) are going the other way. It’s really a major concern, I think, because many hints are showing we are heading to the micro-transaction model in the gaming industry. While this is not such a “big deal” when it comes to secondary things like avatars clothing and furniture, it may become a problem when it’s about actual gameplay (tracks and cars in GT5).

Your writing like PD is the first racing game to have DLC cars and tracks, Forza, Need For Speed and Grid all have DLC cars and tracks and its fine so why should GT5 be any different

 

[Soundtrack]

I really hope that is the way in future...

For sure we have internet, and obviously connectivity is more than welcome. That said this has major drawbacks. Think of how many companies are now releasing unfinished, untested, unreliable software/hardware these days. Release it now, fix it tomorrow(eventually). Not exactly my vision of a better future...

Also there is this distinct feeling of delivering incomplete products on purpose. Charge for the box first, then charge the next months for “obvious features” curiously missing. A rather cynical example that comes to mind (but unfortunately extremely relevant of what is coming) is the Master Yoda missing on initial PS3 SoulCalibur release. If you push the DLC reasoning just a little further, you could end up with suspensions, turbo kits, exhausts and tyres compounds charged 0,99 each. Still ready to p(l)ay?

 

[P1]

For sure we have internet, and obviously connectivity is more than welcome. That said this has major drawbacks. Think of how many companies are now releasing unfinished, untested, unreliable software/hardware these days. Release it now, fix it tomorrow(eventually). Not exactly my vision of a better future...

Also there is this distinct feeling of delivering incomplete products on purpose. Charge for the box first, then charge the next months for “obvious features” curiously missing. A rather cynical example that comes to mind (but unfortunately extremely relevant of what is coming) is the Master Yoda missing on initial PS3 SoulCalibur release. If you push the DLC reasoning just a little further, you could end up with suspensions, turbo kits, exhausts and tyres compounds charged 0,99 each. Still ready to p(l)ay?

Not all companies are like EA and Epic, PD seem to be better than that and i dont think KY would let GT be released unfinished.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Go cry it off. You paid £25 euro for the game not full price. PD dont owe us anything. Weve already got a whole lot more than you would normally get in a demo. I would agree with you that you are owed something but just look at what GT5P started out with and look at what you have now. They almost doubled the ammount of cars we have , we got anotherr track , they tweaked the physics and they tweaked the sound. Sometimes I think you guys expect to get the full GT5 for what you paid for Prologue

Completely missing the point.

I would rather have a 1/3 of the amount of cars but with private rooms. The simple reason is it improves the gameplay. This is why I asked why on earth did PD bring 3 new cars via the update than private rooms.

Obviously some of you aren't xbox live members! Gaming has completely changed and nowadays it isn't just about playing games but socialising also. For example on forza 2 I was racing in an online tournament whilst my friends were watching the race live but at the same time I was in a party room speaking to 8 of my other friends. Yet on Prologue I can't even race a few laps against my friends and if I want to private chat I have to quit back to the XMB.

So Race Pro might not have the graphics or realisim but it will have better gameplay with more online features and at the end of the day gameplay will always be more important than graphics.

Sorry if many of you can't face the truth but PD messed up big time with Prologue. They had a superb game with brilliant graphics, excellent physics but they failed to bring one of the most basic online features into the game. If you pop into your local Game store ask them how many copies of Prologue have been traded in. The answer will be many because don't forget members on here are the minority rather than the majority because a dedicated website will attract the hardcore!

 

[AutoAki]

For sure we have internet, and obviously connectivity is more than welcome. That said this has major drawbacks. Think of how many companies are now releasing unfinished, untested, unreliable software/hardware these days. Release it now, fix it tomorrow(eventually). Not exactly my vision of a better future...

Also there is this distinct feeling of delivering incomplete products on purpose. Charge for the box first, then charge the next months for “obvious features” curiously missing. A rather cynical example that comes to mind (but unfortunately extremely relevant of what is coming) is the Master Yoda missing on initial PS3 SoulCalibur release. If you push the DLC reasoning just a little further, you could end up with suspensions, turbo kits, exhausts and tyres compounds charged 0,99 each. Still ready to p(l)ay?

I have to say, I know nothing about any other type of games than few racing sims.

My hope for future is something like this: PD release GT5, Dozen of classic tracks, and good collection of every type of cars... from small stocks, to full blooded race-cars. I dont mean 1000 cars... more like 100-150. Same tuning things, and parts customisation ofcourse would be included there like in all the past GT's too.

They also show us new online-structure, which have good options for creating own races with all kind of restriction options. Beside that, there would be ofcourse quick-races like now, for those who just want to jump to race when they want.

This GT5 would be cheaper (35-45€) than normal driving games, cause it is meant to be just 'starting-pack'. PD would continue their modelling work, and creates more tracks and cars, and we could buy those from 'dealerships' like now, when they are finished, but they would cost some pennies.

Good thing would be:

Not so long waiting for 'final game', cause it would be much smaller, and you choose in the end what you want in to it.

Many newbies would buy this cheaper 'starting pack', and get hooked. We possibly could get more nice friends from guys who would never pay the real price what will come. (60-70€)

There would be modelling for years to PD with this kind of release strategy, and they could model always newest cars to game, and take their time without rush, cause people would be happy.

Game would always feel like new, cause you would wait next new tracks, cars, features to be released. And PD could also ask from people what they want... what car, track, etc etc...



Ok, I stop. Third beer was too much. Sorry.

 

[P1]

Completely missing the point.

I would rather have a 1/3 of the amount of cars but with private rooms. The simple reason is it improves the gameplay. This is why I asked why on earth did PD bring 3 new cars via the update than private rooms.

Obviously some of you aren't xbox live members! Gaming has completely changed and nowadays it isn't just about playing games but socialising also. For example on forza 2 I was racing in an online tournament whilst my friends were watching the race live but at the same time I was in a party room speaking to 8 of my other friends. Yet on Prologue I can't even race a few laps against my friends and if I want to private chat I have to quit back to the XMB.

So Race Pro might not have the graphics or realisim but it will have better gameplay with more online features and at the end of the day gameplay will always be more important than graphics.

Sorry if many of you can't face the truth but PD messed up big time with Prologue. They had a superb DEMO with brilliant graphics, excellent physics but they failed to bring one of the most basic online features into the game. If you pop into your local Game store ask them how many copies of Prologue have been traded in. The answer will be many because don't forget members on here are the minority rather than the majority because a dedicated website will attract the hardcore!

You get what you pay for, GT5P is 20 pound compared to forza which is 40 pounds and PSN is free compared to 40 pounds for xbox live.

Private rooms are going to be in GT5 so im happy with GT5P but if you dont like GT5P then dont play it.

 

[Mr Latte]

This threads got a bit like a "Santa's Wish List"

Personally i will be:

A) Very surprised
B) Very dissapointed

If before the end of the year we dont at least have new screenshots, video or even better additional update/content.

The fanbase deserve something for Christmas and not only that it's about time Polphony Digital brought a bit more excitment even regards more details on GT5. Its shocking how little effort this company makes regards commitment to its fanbase, youd think the way forward would be a website similar to "Turn 10's" which had regulary updates and keeps the community informed or if anything maintains peoples interest.

Id assume their isnt another racing game in development out their that employs 100+ staff or has the budget available to them that PD have. Yet they dont bother their backside to go out of their way. Oh yes they sponser this and sponser that but regards actually giving details on their products they seem more intersted sponsering the "GT" brand. I'm really becoming a frustrated fan.

I could say I love the game but hate how the company go about producing their games and promoting their products. GT PSP mobile, gees what a take on that was to sell PSP's and still yet GT5 we know very little about what it will have or indeed offer.

Then again with sales like these do they care or indeed feel they need to change as the "GT" branding and reputation is so strong.

1000 Units Sold
2008/4/15 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (North America) 610
2008/3/28 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (Europe) 1,450
2008/2/15 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (SE Asia) 40
2007/12/13 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (Japan) 270

Come on PD pull your finger out, oh and you can stick that GT TV waste of time where the sun dont shine. Its slow and rubbish for fans, stuff like that should be on PSN not built into a game, ahh but its great for making additional revenue and as a marketing tool for their advertisers,business associates and sponsers im sure they are delighted.

I tell you people they spend all that time on GT-TV nonsense before they give you private lobbies or indeed damage etc.
Makes me mad but guess im like an addict that keeps coming back.

On a brighter note, Merry Christmas to all

 

[Mr Latte]

You get what you pay for, GT5P is 20 pound compared to forza which is 40 pounds and PSN is free compared to 40 pounds for xbox live.

Private rooms are going to be in GT5 so im happy with GT5P but if you dont like GT5P then dont play it.

What you say is true but it misses the point of what the guy was saying.

He's right that outside of Great graphics (ruined with terrible jaggie shadows)1080p 60FPS 16 cars Prologue is so far, far behind but then so is PSN.

Sony still have to play catch up and Microsoft deserve praise along with Turn 10 and Bizzare for what X360 done to racing games and online communities not to mention FM2 redefining what can be done with an online racing game and community with its custome cars, marketplace and community website all incorporating it together.

Still we dont know yet what GT5 will offer and bring new to the table but all this still doesnt help the fact that we know very little of what is going to be possible in GT5 as we havnt had any proper confirmed details or screenshots of anything newer than whats in Prologue. Interviews themselves sometimes contradict things that have been said before so its easy to understand peoples frustration but at the same time hard to understand WHY they dont improve on these issues.

 

[MJH]

People are complaining how bad gt5p features are compared to fm2. I think we are all pretty sure that the full gt5 will blow fm2 and probably 3 out of the water. Are you then going to go on fm forums and complain about how gt5 is so much better and how much you hate turn10 for rushing out the game?

GT5 is going to have far more cars, far more tracks, far better graphics, far better physics and probably far better online and damage. So it makes sence that it will take longer to produce.

 

[amar212]

 

[RedBaron]

Amar, do you have any news from your sources? This informational silence is agonizing.

 

[AutoAki]

I just notice Events-update notification in GT5P news section.

It's gonna happen 25th day.

Lets hope for a lot more choices for tracks and PP-requirements in Expert-events. There will be many new kids on the block after christmas, so more options would be more than needed.

 

[craste]

So in other words all of us should shut up and not discuss the fact that we'd like more download content etc?

Well if thats the case the owner of this website might as well close down this "Prologue" section as we have talked about everything in the game, Yawn gosh its so boring and played to death now.

I wish we could have some more content,,,Opps there we go again.
Mind you ifts perfectly natural for people to expect/want more thats why we drive cars to work instead of ride horses and fly to another country instead of stepping on a ship if people were like you and just accepted what they got we'd still be living in caves my friend.

Theres far more people on this site frustrated with PD's lack of interest in it's fan base and crying out for updates than people who love driving around the same track, in the same car in the ssssZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

If there is no update before to play over the Christmas holidays then one MUST asume thet PD don't give a big fat flying (enter word here) about what keeps their fan base happy.

If they don't give us an update i just wish they said the next one is due in 6 months so we can all happily shove the game down the back of the sofa and channel our time into somthing usefull as I've lost count of the amount of my time I've wasted checking this site and the official site for information.

I don't mind coming to this site when there is somthing new and exiciting to talk about but weve all been scraping the barrel thinking of anything new to create a poll/post to so that we can carry on the debate/discussion about this game.

I recently purchased Little Big planet and I'm having lots of fun playing it - some real laugh out load moments when you are playing 2 player - but you know what, if we had some more tracks/cars to play LBP wouldn't even get a look in over the Christmas period.

Anyway I'm still living in hope but if we don't get an update I won't be referring to 'PD' as 'PD' anymore I'll be referring to them using words which can't be typed here.

See you next tuesday

 

[Blitz187]

I just notice Events-update notification in GT5P news section.

It's gonna happen 25th day.

Lets hope for a lot more choices for tracks and PP-requirements in Expert-events. There will be many new kids on the block after christmas, so more options would be more than needed.

I agree... there will probably be a flood of noobs coming online around that time... So a wide variety of events in Expert level would be great... maybe in the range like 500, 600, 750 and 800 PP races... then you have pretty much the full range... low PP racing and High speed racing... but we'll have to wait and see what they come with... Because its always a surprise with PD and always the opposite of what you expect... must be the Japanese mentality

 

[P1]

I just notice Events-update notification in GT5P news section.

It's gonna happen 25th day.

Lets hope for a lot more choices for tracks and PP-requirements in Expert-events. There will be many new kids on the block after christmas, so more options would be more than needed.

Fingers crossed for 600pp suzuka with S1 tires.