2009 Turkish Grand Prix

Blake guessed it. :sly:

Around August, we were discussing Alonso rumours, and he stated he'd go to Honda if he were in his place.
 
Famine
Bit harsh, considering it's his home grand prix and all that.

Don't you think he deserves it?
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Deserves?

This is F1, not a Jenson Button pittyparty.

Piquet would deserve it more than Jenson-lad because of all the stick he has had to take in the last 18 months.

The worst part of this "Bratton" thing is that they think we are fools. It seems every weekend they are saying "Ferrari are ahead of us", "We are definitely struggling", "We just don't have the grip" and then surprise surprise they dominate the race.

LieGate II? :sly:
 
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Or maybe they're just really good at finding the right set-up in time.
 
If you look at the timing sheets, the Brawns don't have a huge advantage in Q1 and Q2, but dominate Q3. This suggests that they do indeed, comparatively, lack the grip and balance on a light load - but that the BGP001 is a very good car on a heavy load of fuel. With fuel for a short race-stint, the Brawns are almost unmatched: Even when they're not on pole, they're almost always fastest on fuel-corrected times.
 
Metar
If you look at the timing sheets, the Brawns don't have a huge advantage in Q1 and Q2, but dominate Q3. This suggests that they do indeed, comparatively, lack the grip and balance on a light load
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Or they don't bother to remove all the fuel for Q1 & Q2...
 
Makes no sense. A lap of fuel is a tenth. When the difference between slowest and fastest is half a second, nobody dares to risk it.

The car is still faster in Q2 than in Q3, so they don't run much fuel in it.
 
And it begs the question: why sandbag and then plead a lack of pace? Jenson Button has six wins from seven starts, so if his pace hasn't been noticed by someone, that someone probably shouldn't be allowed out in public unsupervised. His pace has been established on just about every circuit type; at this rate, the "monster of a car" as he called it will probably be remembered as one of the best in the sport's history. It's so good he was able to win three races with one engine, the first time that has ever happened. Sandbagging at the start of the season might make sense, but now that we're closing in on the halfway mark, any team that is sandbagging at this point is pretty much their own worst enemy. There's no value in it because everyone knows how the grid stacks up compared to one another. New technical parts might make that distnction a little ambiguous, but - and I hope I'm not right here - common sense dictates that driving at race pace instead of at about 75% would be more useful to test the worth of those upgrades. Unless for some strange reason you decide you're only going to race at 75% o your pace ... and sometimes it seems Brawn are the only ones who might be able to get away with it.
 
Metar
If you look at the timing sheets, the Brawns don't have a huge advantage in Q1 and Q2, but dominate Q3. This suggests that they do indeed, comparatively, lack the grip and balance on a light load - but that the BGP001 is a very good car on a heavy load of fuel. With fuel for a short race-stint, the Brawns are almost unmatched: Even when they're not on pole, they're almost always fastest on fuel-corrected times.
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Didn't you just contradict yourself here by saying that they lack grip on light loads, yet on short stints they are unmatched? :p
 
I meant:

  • Light load = Qualifying-run on fumes.
  • Short race-stint = 10-16 laps on average tracks.

The Brawn's balance appears best when on with a race-worthy amount of fuel, while the others seem to match it on the fumes they run in qualifying.
 
mipuumal
Deserves?
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Yes.

Is he undeserving of the success he's had this season? Does he deserve "anyone but him" levelled against him?
 
mipuumal
Deserves?

This is F1, not a Jenson Button pittyparty.

Piquet would deserve it more than Jenson-lad because of all the stick he has had to take in the last 18 months.
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Wow, I'd never thought I'd see "Button's had his glory" this early, so easy to forget the past 2 years, eh?

I for one won't be complaining if Button goes on to win the rest of the races this season, its a very nice way to blow all that criticsm he got over the years out of the water.

Piquet is the least deserving in the paddock, the guy is an arrogant and plain rubbish driver who rather than do something about his position in the team, he'd rather just complain about it. At least people like Irvine held up their hands about being 2nd driver and got on with it.

I will never respect Piquet after his comments about Buemi, seriously, the guy's a joke.
 
Ardius
Piquet is the least deserving in the paddock, the guy is an arrogant and plain rubbish driver who rather than do something about his position in the team, he'd rather just complain about it. At least people like Irvine held up their hands about being 2nd driver and got on with it.

I will never respect Piquet after his comments about Buemi, seriously, the guy's a joke.
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Plus one, Piquet won't find himself getting any sympathy for me, his comments on Buemi were ridiculous, watching an interview with him last week, he came across as arrogant and feeling very sorry for himself, because she has a hard time from flav compared to Alonso (surprised much?).

He has been very unimpressive for the last two seasons both in terms of pace and his ability to keep the car on the track. Quite why he is still in F1 is beyond me.
 
Heh. Was watching the race and Brundle commented that "Piquet won't find much grip out there" (out there being on outside of one of the corners) I quipped, "Like on any other part of the track then." Dad laughed himself silly. Piquet has stupidity and a lack of talent against his name, he won't last the season and if he does than Flavio shouldn't.

How can people not be in awe of Jenson's performances this season? At the risk of getting eaten, his performances are reminiscent of Schumacher it his best. Faultless, finding time where no one else does, turning on quick laps like a tap! Didn't he put in 4-5 fastest laps in a row?

He's got a great car, but that great car has one very good (dare I say great?) driver behind the wheel.
 
ugh, another button victory. He really is turning into a Michael Schumacher, but he has 7 world titles to win to be the true master.
 
Ardius
Wow, I'd never thought I'd see "Button's had his glory" this early, so easy to forget the past 2 years, eh?

I for one won't be complaining if Button goes on to win the rest of the races this season, its a very nice way to blow all that criticsm he got over the years out of the water.

Piquet is the least deserving in the paddock, the guy is an arrogant and plain rubbish driver who rather than do something about his position in the team, he'd rather just complain about it. At least people like Irvine held up their hands about being 2nd driver and got on with it.

I will never respect Piquet after his comments about Buemi, seriously, the guy's a joke.
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I'm with you on this one. I won't be complaining if Button wins the rest of the races this season, the guy got far too much criticism in the past couple of years. And I agree with your comment about Piquet.
 
VERY Boring race , and very boring season thus far, seems as Brawn is the only team that was ready for 2009.
 
DaddyVDUB
VERY Boring race , and very boring season thus far, seems as Brawn is the only team that was ready for 2009.
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which is funny because they were the only team that wasnt ready.

anyways do you guys think that because the season is pretty much wraped up with a nice pretty bow for jenson and brawn, that the other teams will just stop developing there cars this year and focus on next years like honda did? or do you think they still see some light at the end of the tunnel. the only team i think should continue on development would be Red Bull since vettle is the only one that might be able to make something out of the season and maybe close the gap for the championship.
 
If Ferrari and McClaren have any sanity left they should start NOW on 2010 cars.
 
Well, the BGP-002 is suposedly already under development, so they'd better get moving ... the problem is that they just can't abandon development of their current cars. Honda could do it last year because the R108 was one of the worst on the grid, and any data they gathered would be useless for 2009 because of the regulation changes. But since the 2010 cars will be an extension of the 2009 machines, whatever they get this year will be useful. Besides, groups like McLaren and Ferrari have road car divisions as they are works outfits. They can't just cease developing one car; they need to be as competitive as they can be, or risk losing sponsors.
 
Groups like McLaren and Ferrari have the facilities to develop two cars; Brawn doesn't.

Nobody so far announced anything on designing the 2010 cars, and with good reason: Nobody has any idea what they're designing for. FIA's capped-teams proposal? FIA's regular-teams regulations? FOTA/Dorna "Grand Prix World Championship" rules? FOTA/FOM "GP1" rules?
 
DaddyVDUB
VERY Boring race , and very boring season thus far, seems as Brawn is the only team that was ready for 2009.
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I think thats a little unfair, a couple of teams have made a notable step forward from last year, such as Force India, Red Bull, Williams and Toyota.
 
High performance cars being pushed to their limits does not equal boring. Anyone who thinks it does is not a real fan of motor racing.
 
Hotlaps this year, despite the lower revs, are more interesting than they've been in the past decade or so. The OWG's work turned the cars into twitchy oversteering little bastards now that the front tyres provide more grip than designers anticipated. Seeing even Piquet and Barrichello juuust catching that slide out of Anthony Noughes is fantastic.

As far as racing at the front is concerned, however, it's indeed boring.
 
Ardius
I think thats a little unfair, a couple of teams have made a notable step forward from last year, such as Force India, Red Bull, Williams and Toyota.
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And the way Vettel as reeling in Button. Sure, the longer it took him, the more likely it would be that Button would prevail as he did, but I think those few laps were the closest anyone has come to catching the Brawns all season. Sure, it took something special - running almost dry - but imagine what it would be like if every team was moving right out of their comfort zones to make up the difference to Button and Barrichello.
 
I think people are a little quick to forget Shanghai. Someone already won, decisively, against Button: Vettel, in fact, overtook Button before Button completed his second stop: Ergo, more than 20 seconds ahead.
 
PJ-FFL
ugh, another button victory. He really is turning into a Michael Schumacher, but he has 7 world titles to win to be the true master.
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He'd have to do a lot more to be a Schumacher, a LOT more.
 
Tired Tyres
High performance cars being pushed to their limits does not equal boring. Anyone who thinks it does is not a real fan of motor racing.
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Since I guess that was pointed at me,please forgive me I was totally wrong not to 100% agree with you. What was I thinking!:sly:
 
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Congratulations to Brawn GP, but please give Bruno a shot. :lol:
 
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