2010 Formula 1 Etihad Airways Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

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  1. Dan360

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    :lol: No wonder Spain's thinking about banning it.

    Vettel came in this race with nothing to lose. Red Bull has already won the Constructers' Championship, and Webber is too far back for any action. Vettel is young, compared to his older team-mate. This may be the last chance that Webber can win the WDC.
    Overall, it was McLaren who came out top. Both drivers had nothing to lose, and all they wanted is to end on a high. A great podium from them. :tup:

    I wonder how the 2011 season will turn out...
     
  2. yeti

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    Some races he isn't so bad - but some he's terrible...

    Korea was an absolute farce.

    What's worse - is that it's catching - Brundle's made a couple of silly mistakes this year too!!

    Get Crofty on there.

    C.
     
  3. Antti-san

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    :scared: That's quite scary actually - poor camera! :lol:
     
  4. Ardius

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    Well, he's allowed to make mistakes. But the kinds of mistakes are the problem. Brundle has made mistakes every year since 1997. Everyone will, as commentating is an immensely difficult job.
    The difference is, Legard makes mistakes like being completely unable to understand the dynamic of pit stops, the fact you can't replace a rear wing, etc.
    His other problem is that he tries to pre-empt his commentating far too much. He will quite often say "Alonso overtakes Button" before the overtake is even complete, so when Alonso has to back off, he'll say "and Button overtakes back!"...when really no overtake happened. Its not enough to make me hate the man, but its not great commentating either.

    My other problem with Legard is he just has a dull voice and style. He doesn't get me excited.
    Ben Edwards and David Croft do get me excited, they talk up situations very well in an articulate fashion.

    Oh and thats the other thing - Legard tends to go AndoffwegoKubicathatsagoodstartMclaren12firstcornerVettelWebberovertakesupthehillohwoahtheresAlonsoMassaisthatButton? on the first lap.
     
  5. Leonidae@MFT

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    No way to tell that for sure. He still might've gotten stuck behind Petrov.
     
  6. sems4arsenal

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    SO we have the WRC and F1 champions as mentors in GT5 :tup: .Dissapointed By Webber's performance but Brilliant Seb does it again.
     
  7. poolhaas

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    he wacked a camera in the race too :dopey:
     
  8. yeti

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    His most annoying trait?

    "And Vettel sets the fastest lap" on lap 1? Seriously... The first car *must* set the fastest lap you moron!!!

    C.
     
  9. Peter

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    But Vettel would be further back on points going into Abu Dhabi.
     
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    Ben Edwards is brilliant on the BTCC races. Legard is annoying, maybe not despicable like Allen, but annoying.

    Congrats to Vettel. On his day, he wipes the floor. God help the rest of the field if he does that consistently.
     
  11. Shaggy Alonso

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    I agree no driver was clearly dominant this season, but you can't say no one had more or less luck than each other. Clearly, Vettel has lost by far the most amount of points out of anyone, about 66 in all I believe purely because of mechanical failures, that's excluding his brake failure towards the end of his Q3 lap in Turkey (the permutations of which are incalculable :crazy:)

    By contrast, Webber hasn't had any mechanical failures that cost him any points, yet he still finished behind Seb.

    What impressed me most about Vettel is that even after all the set backs he kept coming back and comprehensively outshone Webber in that all important Q3, who before meeting Vettel was known as a qualifying specialist himself. From Suzuka onwards Seb was utterly flawless, he peaked at the right time and went out and won the championship for himself.

    Still if each driver is judged objectively, based on how quick their cars were, how quick they were and how many mistakes they each made, I think you'll find that Vettel was probably only the 3rd or 4th best driver this season, IMO behind both Hamilton and Kubica.

    Hamilton can't seem to shake the tag of being 'error prone' or 'overly aggressive' despite him making fewer mistakes than any of the 4 title contenders going into the final race (mistakes of which were smaller and more marginal than the ones his rivals had made) and also the fact that he was still in the reckoning despite driving for the majority of the season in what was the third fastest car and finishing well up on his team mate, who had half the number of DNF's as him. Personally I think 2010 was Hamilton's best year in F1 to date, the first season where he's blended his speed with the calm and error free head that he was missing in '08. Plus I believe he can lay claim to the most impressive drive of the season at Melbourne, cruelly unrewarded due to factors outside his control.

    Kubica is rather harder to evaluate as it would be like trying to compare an LMP2 driver at Le Mans against the LMP1 drivers. But what should be said is that he displayed this year that he is a top drawer driver who can marry tremendous speed with error free performances, consistently throughout a season - he's the one the rest of the field worries about getting in a quick car. Yet it's still hard to call his season the best of the lot, when you consider that he was under far less pressure than the title protagonists and had a team mate who is unquantifiable given that it was his debut season in F1. What should be looked at most closely however are his qualifying performances at Monaco, Spa and Suzuka which were the best examples of his brilliance this year.

    Alonso was without question the driver of the second half of the season, but I believe when the whole season is taken into account, he actually threw away a lot of points, due to silly unforced errors. Also, when you consider that he lost just 2 points due to unreliability (Malaysia), and yet gained 22 points because of other drivers' misfortune (Vettel at Bahrain, Vettel at Melbourne, Vettel and Hamilton at Barcelona, Vettel at Korea and possibly more if you count Hamilton's gearbox penalty at Suzuka) and that's not counting Hockenheim, but I don't want to go there. Such is the reputation of Alonso though, that his various mistakes are rather swept under the carpet and forgotten about because they don't sit well with peoples' perception of him.

    In conclusion, I believe Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso and Webber would all have made worthy champions, just that some would be worthier than others :)
     
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  12. The Outlaw

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    1. Congrats to Seb on a job well done! :tup: And excellent performance by the RB team here at Abu Dhabi to keep him safe throughout the race with proper execution of the strategy and pit stops. If it wasn't Alonso or Hamilton, I was hoping Vettel could pick the Championship up here at Abu Dhabi, as I feel he has had Webber's number in most cases, but has just always been facing a uphill battle mostly due to having the worse luck of the two (ie. he lost 2 race victories/50 points due to reliability issues. Not so for Webber).

    2. Cruel luck for Alonso :indiff: Hopefully next year Ferrari will supply him with a car more capable of competing toe to toe with RBR and he will just have a more consistent season in general. Regardless, great first season at Ferrari and he definitely showed immense fighting spirit in the second half of the season to get back into the fight, despite facing such uphill battle with a inferior car and such a large points deficit.

    3. A utterly uninspiring drive from Webber this entire weekend. He had a great opportunity this weekend and completely belly flopped for whatever reason. I will say his general lack of fire and confidence wasn't too impressive to me, especially for someone fighting for a world title :sick: All I can say is good luck going into next year, you're going to need it especially if Vettel has the reliability your car did this year.

    4. Great effort from Hamilton this race - just too bad the SC had to screw up what could have been a brilliant battle between Seb and Ham. As with Ferrari, hopefully Mclaren can supply Hamilton with a proper car next season, as he really deserves a car that is a strong contender - being IMO, one of the best, if not the best driver on the grid overall. He was looking to be in a very strong position a little after the half way mark in the season, until things just started to unravel (small contacts which put the brittle Mclaren out of the race twice) and the car began to fall off the pace.

    Completely lame comment on your part :tdown: It seems like some of you people only watch F1 to either watch Alonso flop or to criticize and ridicule him (and his fans) everytime you get a chance. Reminds me of revenge of the nerds (and everyone needs to get back at that big bad bully Alonso).
     
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  13. Danny

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    Seriously? This is just embarassing...


    Congratulations, SebVet. It's not been an easy one, but wow. What a season!
    Next year, Fernando...
     
  14. ROAD_DOGG33J

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    I'm disappointed with the finish. I wanted Alonso to win it with Webber as second preference. It was a bit frustrating seeing Alonso and Lewis stuck behind the Renaults, even Massa behind the Toro Rosso. I thought there would be a bit more passing on track, but all of it happened in the pits.

    Anyway, Congrats to Vettel!
     
  15. The Outlaw

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    The Renault's sure ended up being a thorn in Alonso's arse today :lol: Between Kubica staying out so long on the primes, preventing Hamilton from fighting it out with Vettel (and possibly stealing points away for Alonso's sake), and the rookie Petrov keeping Alonso at bay for so many laps (without a overtake at all looking possible)...Alonso is probably hating his old team now :lol:
     
  16. Ardius

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    I will also add that Button was amazing on the soft tyres, shame he couldn't come into play for a fight with Seb.
    It was interesting some drivers complained of graining yet they didn't seem to realise it was just a phase before it wore itself fine again. How many times has Brundle described this very effect over the season? You would have thought the drivers would know to not assume that a tyre that has started graining is instantly worn. It can come back to you as the surface becomes even again.
    Hamilton in particular always seems to need re-assuring by the team, maybe he just focuses so much on his driving that he doesn't think about tyre degradation, strategy, etc.
     
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    Seb Vettel! :D Getting it done! :) Congrats to him and Red Bull. It was a great season, but now here's the question.. what does 2011 bring us? --- Randy
     
  18. Terronium-12

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    I have to be completely honest, I'm disappointed that Vettel won. Is he talented? Absolutely. I'd be stupid to say otherwise. Does he have fantastic pace? Absolutely. Again, I'd be stupid to say otherwise. Do I find him deserving of winning the title this season? Yes and no, more so I believe it to be no. He's been pampered ever since having been teamed with RBR (I can fully understand why, but allow me to continue), every mistake he's made and there's been a lot of them, all (within this season alone) under the same circumstances - pressure. Most of which were dismissed because of his 'racing maturity' something I simply do not buy.

    Of course, mistakes are going to happen, even to the most seasoned of veterans...but what bugs me is it's simply warded off and is excused because of how young he is. As I've said countless times before whenever I've expressed my opinions about any of the races here, the only thing Vettel has proved throughout the season is that, if left alone, he's the image of a perfect racer. However, should he be behind someone (and the position counts) 8 times out of 10, he's likely to buckle under the pressure and make a (hazardous) mistake. My utmost congratulations go to him, but as far as I'm concerned he'll have a hell of a lot to prove next season as all of these petty, age-related excuses simply will not fly should he not improve his race craft next season and finds himself making the same pressure-laden mistakes. I take absolutely nothing away from him, and I hope he does become an even better driver come next season...but with so many people gunning for him come that time, it's going to be nothing but pressure.

    And if, in the unlikely situation he doesn't improve, he makes the same mistakes because of it I feel his victory as a whole will be seen as a fluke, and as I said earlier...the only way he could succeed in maintaining his title is by being in the front of the pack, and only in the front.

    Once again, congratulations to him for winning....but I really wanted Webber to take the title this year. Speaking of him, what the hell was up with him? He didn't seem to care at all really, either he doesn't care much for the track...or his perseverance just died.
     
  19. The Outlaw

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    Probably.

    Regarding Button - He did a nice job maintaining the health of the soft tires, but in the big picture it didn't really do anything for him...so I don't know how amazing or meaningful it really was afterall. He basically started the race right behind Hamilton and by the time he re-entered the track after making his pit stop he was still 5 seconds back of Hamilton, who had been stuck behind Kubica (for ~15 laps by then), destroying his primes tires for some time. If Hamilton hadn't been held up by Kubica he would have been much further down the road undobhtedly, in equal machinery..
     
  20. Shiparch

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    That certainly isn't Alonso's old team, same name but not the same. This Renault team without Briatore is not the same (he was a cheat but a good one), this new Boullier is simply not good, that was proved after the Kimi fiasco a few weeks ago. Kimi doesn't talk much (****) about anyone and for him to say Renault were using him as a marketing tool is not cool, the guy just can't be trusted.

    About today's result I am very dissapointed, Ferrari is my team and I saw today's race with frustration, turned off the TV after the Alonso's pit stop. I still cannot believe this happened, we just had to stay out since it would've been impossible to overtake on this nice but boring track, and come out too far behind to make any good progress, event the BBC commentators though so.

    I really hope next year is better, Alonso is a perfect match for Ferrari and proved he can fight alone. I would like to see someone else on the other car though, Massa is not himself anymore, perhaps Kimi can come back to Ferrari or the Hulk (his manager mentioned today he's officially out of Williams and also mentioned Ferrari so we'll see).

    Forza Ferrari. We put up a good fight.
     
  21. gt hc

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    Bull vs. Spaniard 1-0

    Too bad Webber didn't win the title..I feel he deserved it more then Vettel.
    But I'm really glad Alonso didn't win the title. If he had won the championship there would be a hassle again over the 7 points he took from Massa in Hockenheim.

    Red Bull have played the game honest with team orders..I thought last week In Brazil they were losing the driver's title by not switching the cars..but they managed to pull it off this weekend :D
     
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    Song is called "Just Drive" Great song.

    Check his site, the debut was on F1 today. It's also on itunes.
    http://www.alistairgriffin.net/

    Big congratulations to Vettel. What a temperament and demeanor this guy has. All those interviews asking what he's going to do. People outside trying to rob him and F1 of this moment and saying Red Bull should be backing Mark.

    Amazing how Webber wanted to pit. We've seen the soft tyres clean up and I wouldn't of risked it. Martin on the com even pointed out he's going to get stuck behind that pack. Ferrari stupidly followed him.

    What's strange though is how hard it is to overtake here. You look at the track and think there's lots of places, long straights with heavy braking. Other tracks that have very similar sections are easy for overtaking but somehow the tarmac and nature or the slow corners just make it very hard when it shouldn't be. We seen it last year so its not that surprising but to watch was is quite painful and frustrating. I hope they can do something to make it more conducive to overtake.

    I had to laugh at Jake Humphrey on the forum when he got ever so slightly wet form that bottle or something. He's such a stiff :lol: Also his interview style is very sullen and downbeat and he can't end an interview properly. Martin Brundle would've been better conducting the interview with Vettel to keep the joyous vibe going and have a smile on his face.
     
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    Great post. I'd also add that perhaps Nico Rosberg deserves a bit of praise, also. He comes in between 4th and 6th so often that we take it for granted. He's incredibly quick (though Schumacher seems to have the measure of him in certain track situations... the rain, for instance) and doesn't get into too much trouble.

    You're absolutely right... this has been Hamilton's best year yet. He's whined over the radio a bit too often, but though he's had a few punts, he hasn't had the brain freezes that Alonso has had, he has never lost the handle of a car that's clearly not the easiest to drive, and he's fought like hell against much faster cars. His driving this season is more impressive than in his two title pushes against Kimi and Massa, simply for the consistency and maturity he's shown. Having been stuck for one season in a slower car watching Brawn race away with the title and running double speed just to catch up, plus dealing with the fallout from that whole "Lie-gate" thing seems to have mellowed him a bit. Do I believe people can change? Yes I do.

    Still... hard to measure Kubica. He's not paired with a team-mate who can adequately push him. Of the "number twos" on the grid, it seems only Mark Webber has the absolute pace to keep up with his team-mate. Button's season ended on a high note, but his inability to adjust to the car is a disappointment. Massa simply wasn't there for most of the season... though his luck was some of the worst all year. Petrov... ... ...well... that was a good performance this race... but Alonso never really threatened him until the very last lap.

    But, in the end... I wouldn't judge Vettel to be 3rd or 4th. I'd put him as probably a co-equal first in terms of pure speed (along with Hamilton and Alonso) and probably 2nd amongst title contenders in terms of consistency... with Alonso about 15th... :lol:
     
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    Let me just say this- I ALWAYS knew that Vettel will one day become F1 World Champion. So hats off to the German fellow on a job well done. I was actually watching the tape-delay highlights followed by "The SPEED Report" highlights of the race. Can't say it enough- darned proud of Vettel.
     
  25. Rodpunisher

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    Shame on you Alonso !!
     
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    I've heard Allen, and i've heard Legard. Legard is incredibly boring, and sucks the exitement out of races. Allen had some excitement and he wasn't dull. He and Brundle just seemed to be 2 peas in a pod. Legard is a soy bean.:sick:
     
  27. Peter

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    Looks like Petrov tried to nudge him there.
     
  28. Terronium-12

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    I don't get it, what's Alonso doing that's so shameful?

    Looks like he's just raising his hand.
     
  29. The Outlaw

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    Get over it, will you? You make a bigger deal out of that small meaningless (unless you're Petrov) gesture (which we don't entirely know if it was justified or not) than the fact that we just saw a wonderful race today, and witnessed the youngest ever driver crowned as WDC :)

    Some of you truly are pathetic - your actions aren't making you look any better than Alonso in all honesty.
     
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    From an objective point of view,Fernando Alonso didn't deserve the title,even if had win here it wouldn't be a genuine victory,adding to that,a F1 world champion should be able to pass Petrov,Pretrov did a terrific driving and some credits should go to the Renault team,they are always quick and really competent,something that both Petrov and Kubica show yesterday,and finally I like to say that analysing the German race scandal I found that he isn't a good overtaker

    (1:06)

    I imagine him saying: this is ridiculous not team orders between different teams!!!

    In any case my point is that Alonso didn't deserve the world championship,and that a real world champion races to the limit like Webber or Hamilton, don't bash every time they cannot pass a car.