2010 Formula One Japanese Grand Prix

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I don't think I could watch the qualifying, since it would be 2 in the morning, UK time. I would be happy to watch the coverage before the race, althoug it starts at 6 o'clock. It's back to bed for me, so see you tomorrow...
 
Terronium-12
2. It'd be better to do it in Championship leading order.
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Adding onto this, reverse grid ftw. Imagine Hamilton/Vettel having to make their way past the Lotii, Virgins, HRTs... they'd be lucky to survive the opening lap. :lol:
 
Terronium-12
If it's still raining or is wet enough to negate Qualifying further, I don't like the numerical order, aka 'Option C', that the cars are going to start in. One, it's kind of limp-wristed and slightly unfair as you're essentially damned to the exact place on the grid that your car corresponds to. 2. It'd be better to do it in Championship leading order.
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Article 36 says differently. In the event that qualifying is abandoned, the grid will be decided on a priority system.
  • The first group of cars will be those drivers that set a qualifying time.
  • The second cars will be drivers who attempted to set a time, but failed to do so (ie, they pitted straight away).
  • The third group will be drivers who did not leave pit lane.
  • The fourth group will be drivers who did not leave thier pit box.
The running in numerical order only applies when there is more than one car in the second, third and fourth categories. So, if Jenson Button and Sebastian Vettel go out onto the track, but do not set a time while Lewis Hamilton and Mark Webber do not leave pit lane, then they will line up on the grid in the order of Button-Vettel-Hamilton-Webber.
 
I love how you brought a section of the rulebook into this. 👍

However, you may have missed the part where I said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "Should the rain continue into tomorrow (or start up again), or should the track remain wet enough to further negate qualifying (i.e. Delaying it) then I don't like the outcome of the numerical starting position because it's slightly unfair" blah, blah, blah... I doubt that's going to happen, but if it should and no one is able to go out all over again, then it automatically defaults to that 'option c' as everyone would fall under the fourth bullet point/group.

Or am I wrong? Also, it's going on 5 here so keep that in mind if I make absolutely no sense, or am just repeating what you've already said. :lol:
 
Wow...seems that the Red Bull Racing crews became really bored after the qualifying session's postponed and the rain's still persistent - they even made a miniature amphibian aircraft using cans & wood pieces...

And played around with it...
 
NoobMan DS
Wow...seems that the Red Bull Racing crews became really bored after the qualifying session's postponed and the rain's still persistent - they even made a miniature amphibian aircraft using cans & wood pieces...

And played around with it...
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Apparently it's not just them. Sauber, Mercedes and even Lotus joined them :lol:

Louie_Schumii
So what time will they have quali tomorrow?
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10:00 local time ;)
 
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Article 36 says differently. In the event that qualifying is abandoned, the grid will be decided on a priority system.
  • The first group of cars will be those drivers that set a qualifying time.
  • The second cars will be drivers who attempted to set a time, but failed to do so (ie, they pitted straight away).
  • The third group will be drivers who did not leave pit lane.
  • The fourth group will be drivers who did not leave thier pit box.
The running in numerical order only applies when there is more than one car in the second, third and fourth categories. So, if Jenson Button and Sebastian Vettel go out onto the track, but do not set a time while Lewis Hamilton and Mark Webber do not leave pit lane, then they will line up on the grid in the order of Button-Vettel-Hamilton-Webber.
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Wrong regulation. Article 36 does not mention anything about abandoned qualifying. It applies to a qualifying session that actually happened, with some drivers not setting times and/or not going out.

My understanding is, that if qualifying doesn't happen, then the grid will be arranged in championship order (or the previous years order if it's the first race of a season).

But obviously that only applies if qualifying doesn't happen tomorrow either.
 
Anes
Watch Bathurst qualifying while you wait.
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What are you kidding? Bathurst takes priority well and truly. I can't believe quali was abandoned today here, it's crazy.
 
In case any Australians are wondering, Qualifying will still be shown live (12pm AEDT) on ONE in all mainland capitals.
 
Paulie
What are you kidding? Bathurst takes priority well and truly. I can't believe quali was abandoned today here, it's crazy.
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The V8's bore me these days. Half the drivers are pay drivers and shouldn't really be there. I started losing interest years ago and I didn't watch 1 lap of Phillip Island the other day.

@ Jackington, is that QLD time :confused: I hate daylight savings lol
 
Anes
The V8's bore me these days. Half the drivers are pay drivers and shouldn't really be there. I started losing interest years ago and I didn't watch 1 lap of Phillip Island the other day.

@ Jackington, is that QLD time :confused: I hate daylight savings lol
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If memory serves me right, AEDT= GMT+11, or AEDT=AEST+1. AEST=GMT+10, AWST=GMT+8. So if you are in WA it is at 9am, if you are in NSW/QLD(I think)/VIC it is at 12, if you are in SA/NT it is at either 10, 10:30, or 11 (forget what they are running).
 
senamic
If memory serves me right, AEDT= GMT+11, or AEDT=AEST+1. AEST=GMT+10, AWST=GMT+8. So if you are in WA it is at 9am, if you are in NSW/QLD(I think)/VIC it is at 12, if you are in SA/NT it is at either 10, 10:30, or 11 (forget what they are running).
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This. SA is half an hour behind the eastern states (half an hour ahead of QLD during DST), NT is backwards and doesn't do DST.
 
senamic
If memory serves me right, AEDT= GMT+11, or AEDT=AEST+1. AEST=GMT+10, AWST=GMT+8. So if you are in WA it is at 9am, if you are in NSW/QLD(I think)/VIC it is at 12, if you are in SA/NT it is at either 10, 10:30, or 11 (forget what they are running).
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Jackington
This. SA is half an hour behind the eastern states (half an hour ahead of QLD during DST), NT is backwards and doesn't do DST.
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Many thanks.
 
Alex p.
Ohhhhhhh that's some very spicy news!:scared:
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Yep, though plenty of overtaking places here, I don't think either McLaren has enough to compete with RBR/Alonso, but if Hamilton can grab 4th or up, he still has an outside chance.

Qualifying programme starts at 1:50am on BBC1 for those who are thinking of watching it.
 
Owh no, I have a class tomorrow morning at 09:00 KL time and that clashed with the qualifying session :(

It's either I skip class or miss qualifying...
 
Good thing I didn't stay up for qualify. I doubt our tv channel is going to broadcast the new one though.
 
Sureboss
Yep, though plenty of overtaking places here, I don't think either McLaren has enough to compete with RBR/Alonso, but if Hamilton can grab 4th or up, he still has an outside chance.

Qualifying programme starts at 1:50am on BBC1 for those who are thinking of watching it.
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If the race will be a wet session like qualifying, I think a grid penalty is going to hurt Hamilton very little. He's without any doubt the best wet weather warrior of the grid, and I'm pretty sure he'll erase that grid penalty as early as at the start. But if it's going to be a dry race, I think Webber should do everything he possibly can to secure a win here, because in that case things are looking very good for him. Not to mention Alonso's engine condition which isn't going to play in his favor.
 
Sureboss
Yep, though plenty of overtaking places here,
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Huh? There is only 1 true overtaking spot here, at Casio. In other series and in video games its a little different, but for real F1, Casio is where you will ever see overtakes.
This track is narrow and very twisty, it doesn't lend itself to overtaking, it lends itself to mistakes.

Hun200kmh
Sorry if these are dumb questions, but I looked around and didn't find direct (YES/NO) answers to them. Here goes:

Fact - Alonso is using his 8th engine this season.


Question 1 - Can he use any of the 8 engines he has used since the start of the season?


Reply - YES/NO


(If you replied NO, the questionary ends here. If you replied YES you should also reply to Question 2)


Question 2 - Can the 8 engines be in any way "serviced" (and I don't mean just doing an oil change)?

Reply - YES/NO


(If you replied YES to question 2, please elaborate. WHat can be done to a used engine?)

Thank you for your patience, have a nice day! :D
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1. Yes, though the Ferrari engines were known to have power-loss issues last year when Toro Rosso ran them into the ground (Ferrari asked them to do so to test this). Don't know if they've fixed this problem, Cosworth has had a similar one this year.
2. Yes, but significant moving or mechanical parts cannot be changed. Smaller stuff can be maintained though, I can't remember the specifics but there are engine parts that you can replace. You can also ask for the FIA seals to be broken so a small part can be changed and not incur a penalty as long as you are not changing said parts (not entirely sure on this one). There are parts that can be replaced and repaired though.
Most of the time if an engine blows up, it isn't worth the money repairing anyway...

If you read the FIA post-race technical documents, you'll see there's a large variety of parts that teams request to change over the weekend.
 
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Ardius
Huh? There is only 1 true overtaking spot here, at Casio. In other series and in video games its a little different, but for real F1, Casio is where you will ever see overtakes.
This track is narrow and very twisty, it doesn't lend itself to overtaking, it lends itself to mistakes.
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Which lead to overtakes...most of which happen because of mistakes, it's just more obvious here due to it being a proper circuit.

Surely the Hairpin is also one? Down in to the first corner too with the straight before it and with the possibility of people making mistakes out of Casio. Okay, not loads, but more than most, particularly given the last race...

It'll be intriguing how the two sessions tomorrow unfold. Surely if qualifying is wet, the cars will have little wet setup, which could throw open the grid for the Race. I'm expecting a bit of chaos, should be fun.

2. Yes, but significant moving or mechanical parts cannot be changed. Smaller stuff can be maintained though, I can't remember the specifics but there are engine parts that you can replace. You can also ask for the FIA seals to be broken so a small part can be changed and not incur a penalty as long as you are not changing said parts (not entirely sure on this one). There are parts that can be replaced and repaired though.
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Could do with a Ferrari disclaimer there ;)
 
So, what's the agenda with SPEED? When will they show qualy, if at all?
 
I will not do a night shift, but I will watch the race. My prediction is for the madness at lap one. I'm supporting Kobayashi to do well, as well as good overtaking from him. 👍
 

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