2011 Formula 1 British Grand Prix

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F1 fan
Well look at it this way. Red Bull haters stir the pot> Red Bull fans respond> Red Bull haters label Red Bull fans "fanboys". It's getting tiresome.
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Such is life though. At least we are winning :sly:
 
F1 fan
Well look at it this way. Red Bull haters stir the pot> Red Bull fans respond> Red Bull haters label Red Bull fans "fanboys". It's getting tiresome.
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All i said, in my opinion, Alonso would have won, regardless. Vettel lost time in the pits and behind hamilton. If he didnt have the pit problem and passed (big if!!!) hamilton, he may have been just behind or just in front of alonso. If he was just behind, alonso's pace was enough to make a pass hard and if he was in front, im sure alonso's pace would have meant he would have got by.
 
F1 fan
So what are you? A Red Bull hater? Maybe the Red Bull fans wouldn't be arguing if you haters weren't constantly stirring the pot. You're getting very tiresome.
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You aren't much better. Constantly "stirring the pot" about Hamilton.

dhandes
All i said, in my opinion, Alonso would have won, regardless. Vettel lost time in the pits and behind hamilton. If he didnt have the pit problem and passed (big if!!!) hamilton, he may have been just behind or just in front of alonso. If he was just behind, alonso's pace was enough to make a pass hard and if he was in front, im sure alonso's pace would have meant he would have got by.
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If Vettel didn't have a pit problem, he would have come out first. However, I'm sure Alonso would have passed Vettel, eventually.
 
dhandes
All i said, in my opinion, Alonso would have won, regardless. Vettel lost time in the pits and behind hamilton. If he didnt have the pit problem and passed (big if!!!) hamilton, he may have been just behind or just in front of alonso. If he was just behind, alonso's pace was enough to make a pass hard and if he was in front, im sure alonso's pace would have meant he would have got by.
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Well if he didnt have the pit problem he wouldnt have been behind Hamilton so he wouldnt have lost time. The killer was actually the fact that Button couldnt look after his tires and caused a chain reaction in pit stops that Red Bull ultimately screwed up.
 
Hollidog
Well if he didnt have the pit problem he wouldnt have been behind Hamilton so he wouldnt have lost time. The killer was actually the fact that Button couldnt look after his tires and caused a chain reaction in pit stops that Red Bull ultimately screwed up.
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As a red bull fan, who would you prefer to win webber or vettel? Or any order to get the same amount of constructor points?
 
dhandes
As a red bull fan, who would you prefer to win webber or vettel? Or any order to get the same amount of constructor points?
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Well Im not totally free from bias here, as it benefits someone I know and therefore myself if Webber were to win the WDC this year. However, being a New Zealander, I am inclined to support NZ and anyone playing against the Australians. I think Vettel is without doubt better than Webber, but I would like Webber to win more as it gives me more personal benefit.
 
Centura
You aren't much better. Constantly "stirring the pot" about Hamilton.
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Well he has made a lot of mistakes this season. People just hate Vettel because he's winning. I hate Hamilton because of his personality. And I'm not stirring the pot. If this was a rookie, everyone would be calling him dangerous. He's not and some people are just too in love with him to realize.
 
I definitely do not not "hate" Red Bull. On the contrary, I have nothing but respect for the team's ability to build a winning car. In fact, they are so good at designing cars that they can make do with drivers that are not the very best and still win.
 
F1 fan
Well he has made a lot of mistakes this season. People just hate Vettel because he's winning. I hate Hamilton because of his personality. And I'm not stirring the pot. If this was a rookie, everyone would be calling him dangerous. He's not and some people are just too in love with him to realize.
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Agreed that hamilton has caused or been involved in a few incidents this year, far more than previous years. Why, maybe its because the mclaren is half a second or so slower, his private life etc... Vettel went through a similar spell last season and has come out of it more consisient (hence winning the title last year and romping away with this years), maybe hamilton will be the same.
 
F1 fan
No, I'm not being silly. If a rookie came into F1 and was crash prone, he'd be branded dangerous.
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Your avatar is Kamui Kobayashi.


Let's just let that one float for a minute. Your avatar is Kamui Kobayashi...
 
I really hate it when FOX does the F1 races in the US. They're never live and are usually spoiled by the time they are shown.

Famine
Your avatar is Kamui Kobayashi.


Let's just let that one float for a minute. Your avatar is Kamui Kobayashi...
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Kobayashi is crash prone?
 
Kamui is one of the most interesting drivers on the grid. Or "crazy" and "very aggressive", as Jenson said back in 2009.


Quick note - this morning there was a meeting of FIA technical delegates and FOTA bosses about the OTBD issue. The FIA said that if there was unanimous support for reverting to a pre-Silverstone situation for the race from the teams, they would do just that. Two teams did not support it - Ferrari and Sauber-Ferrari...
 
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I belive F1 Fan said that he used to respect Hamilton as a racer before he started bashing into people left, right and center. He also said that if Hamilton was doing this in is rookie year then he would be labelled as dangerous. Well, Kobayashi did have a few crashes last year, but it was his rookie year, and he was labelled appropriately. This year, I have not seen Kobayashi make nearly as many mistakes while overtaking compared to last year, and his has matured greatly without losing his flair which makes him one of, if not, my favorite driver.
 
Hollidog
I belive F1 Fan said that he used to respect Hamilton as a racer before he started bashing into people left, right and center. He also said that if Hamilton was doing this in is rookie year then he would be labelled as dangerous. Well, Kobayashi did have a few crashes last year, but it was his rookie year, and he was labelled appropriately.
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That was the point, yes.
 
He'd have written 'Ferrari and Sauber' if he wasn't trying to point it out.
 
I wasn't exactly missing your joke in my post to be honest.
 
Besides Canada, this has been the best race all year. Hopefully Ferrari can carry this momentum into Germany, a track which, judging from its characteristics, should fit their car well over their rivals. Its not much of an aerodynamic track, more a mechanical grip track, Ferrari having the best of that. Massa just hasn't had Alonso's luck, in Valencia he could have beaten both McLarens and today, should've beaten Hamilton.

I'm calling team orders being used by Red Bull. Yes, its legal now, but Webber could've gotten past Vettel after Becketts, he was just the faster driver today, hopefully it continues.
 
You heard what Brundle said:

"Right, is everything alright with Fernando? ok, bring that other guy in"
 
Famine
Your avatar is Kamui Kobayashi.


Let's just let that one float for a minute. Your avatar is Kamui Kobayashi...
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And your point is? Kamui is awesome and has shown a higher level of maturity to Hamilton in that he actually knows when to back down. You can call them racing incidents all you want, but which one driver has been involved in most of them this season? There is a clear pattern. And your sense of humour is terrible. I think the general response you got to that one proves it.

Hollidog
I belive F1 Fan said that he used to respect Hamilton as a racer before he started bashing into people left, right and center. He also said that if Hamilton was doing this in is rookie year then he would be labelled as dangerous. Well, Kobayashi did have a few crashes last year, but it was his rookie year, and he was labelled appropriately. This year, I have not seen Kobayashi make nearly as many mistakes while overtaking compared to last year, and his has matured greatly without losing his flair which makes him one of, if not, my favorite driver.
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Well said.

Alex.
You heard what Brundle said:

"Right, is everything alright with Fernando? ok, bring that other guy in"
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Well that seems to be what Ferrari are all about these days. Red Bull did indeed use team orders, but only as the situation could have been costly as it was so close to the end of the race. At least Christian Horner had the guts to admit that. The whole reason Hockenheim 2010 left such a sour taste in everyone's mouth was because Ferrari were so blatant, then tried to deny it.
 
F1 fan
And your point is?
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That you're criticising people for supporting a driver who would be branded as dangerous in his rookie season while supporting a driver who was branded as dangerous in his rookie season.

Not sure why it needed explaining twice when it was readily apparent from the subtext.

F1 fan
And your sense of humour is terrible. I think the general response you got to that one proves it.
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Who was joking?

I don't like Hamilton all that much (well, you know, I'm British, therefore I absolutely love him), but your constant anti-Hamilton rhetoric is getting quite old and making you look very one-dimensional. Every race we can expect Anghammarad to predict an Alonso win - except, ironically, this one :lol: - and you to go on the offensive aganist Hamilton. And then on the offensive against anyone who points it out, whether they're Hamilton fans or not.

When Stefano Domenicali says Hamilton wasn't in the wrong in an incident involving a Ferrari, you know it's time to drop it. Or you should.
 
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F1 fan
A lot of his crashes this year have been "racing incident's". It doesn't mean he is guilt free. He used Massa to slow his car down.
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No he didn't. He was slowing down regardless and Massa turned across him. As the guy on the inside (and using the kerb - it wasn't like he was purposely holding Massa out wide) Hamilton had the line, and Massa braked later giving him a wider line.

Hamilton had absolutely no reason to concede the corner, and Massa had no reason not to go for a pass.

It was a racing incident, plain and simple and whether you liked how it played out or not. Neither driver was more to blame than the other.

F1 fan
And your point is? Kamui is awesome and has shown a higher level of maturity to Hamilton in that he actually knows when to back down. You can call them racing incidents all you want, but which one driver has been involved in most of them this season? There is a clear pattern.
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Hamilton has made, and made stick, more passes than most of the other drivers put together this season. It's natural he'll make contact occasionally. Yes, he's been stupid on occasion (the Monaco hairpin incidents spring to mind) but nowhere in today's race was there any cause to blame him for an incident, much as you're trying to.
 
About Red Bull team orders, I remember around the year 2000 when Hakkinen was closing up on Coulthard on the last few laps of the race and the team wrote an "easy Mika" sign. I believe it Silverstone too.
 
Racing Incident. Come on, stop over-analyzing everything and deal with it.
 
Famine
Quick note - this morning there was a meeting of FIA technical delegates and FOTA bosses about the OTBD issue. The FIA said that if there was unanimous support for reverting to a pre-Silverstone situation for the race from the teams, they would do just that. Two teams did not support it - Ferrari and Sauber-Ferrari...
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93016

Ferrari and Sauber have since changed their minds after the race this indicates.

It was fairly clear the Ferrari has caught Red Bull. They were as fast if not arguably faster today. Initally I thought that Ferrari did not agree to revert back to blown diffusers due to it being in their own interest. Perhaps they believe that their car will still be equal to the RBR even with the blown diffuser?
 

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