2011 Formula 1 Japanese Grand Prix

  • Thread starter Thread starter Akmuq
  • 480 comments
  • 35,036 views
Perez has really been great this year i'd say F1 rookie of the year

I wouldn't just say him because Di Resta is also doing an absolutely brilliant job. So no doubt Perez is doing very well and still doing well even after the Monaco incident but Di Resta shouldn't be forgotten. So far Maldonado is a little bit of a dissapointment perhaps due to his car not being on par with the others.

EDIT:

Anyway, talking too much of the front runners I'm forgetting the back markers. Team Lotus of Heikki Kovalainen finished around 13 seconds behind one of the Williams. Pretty impressive effort by Team Lotus with them lapping both the Virgins...
 
Last edited:
There is no need for that.:)


No need for what?
icon_scratch.png



Vettel is an idiot. The first turn was a low percentage move. It cost absolutely nothing at all to let Button go at that point since nobody else's result mattered one tiny little bit to him. Only his own result was of any relevance at all. I wonder about that boy sometimes. :dunce:


He's competitive.





Massa? Retire mate. It's getting embarrassing.:ouch:


He's playing the Ferrari game at this point. He's a hell of a driver, but he's not in a position to compete for the rest of this season. Harsh reality at the team right now. He will be gone next year.
 
I can't believe it, the one thing i wanted to watch this weekend and I'v missed it.

Highlights will be posted on the BBC F1 website and also a Race Edit will be posted on formula1.com in about a weeks time if that's any good for you? Also do you not have some interactive red-button service where you are, surely they'd repeat it on that?
 
Also do you not have some interactive red-button service where you are, surely they'd repeat it on that?
Australia does not but the race will be replayed on channel 10 at 10:30, GT4me.


Thoroughly enjoyed the race although it seemed way too short after watching the Bathurst 1000! That was a nicely fought race at the front end of the grid. Well done to Button for winning and of course congratulations Vettel for taking out the 2011 world championship!
 
More or less the only real action was that Vettel squeezed Button at the start

That was a nothing anyway. Button had to complain to make it official, but I don't get why it was even referred to the stewards.

and a nice pass by Koby at the hairpin.

Perez, on Maldonado.

Not to mention Sutil passing Kobayashi through 130R, Hamilton's puncture in Spoon/130R allowing Button past, Hamilton and Massa "colliding" again, Alonso passing Vettel on-track, Vettel not managing to get it back despite quite an effort to, Hamilton passing Massa and Rosberg, Schumacher taking Webber's nose clean off, Buemi's wheel not going on, Rosberg passing Di Resta through Dunlop, a side-by-side drag race in the pitlane (Rosberg and... Kobayashi?) and both Lotuses finishing on the lead lap.

It was a good race for Suzuka.
 
Vettel got quite emotional when BBC showed him a compilation of other back to back world champions with him being the latest addition to the list :)
 
Perez, on Maldonado.

Kobayashi did one earlier on a STR, I think Algy, he went in deep then cut back and got the drive out of the turn.

Great drive today from all of the top 3, Webber could've been up on the podium too without Hamilton blocking in qualifying.
 
That was a nothing anyway. Button had to complain to make it official, but I don't get why it was even referred to the stewards.



Perez, on Maldonado.

Not to mention Sutil passing Kobayashi through 130R, Hamilton's puncture in Spoon/130R allowing Button past, Hamilton and Massa "colliding" again, Alonso passing Vettel on-track, Vettel not managing to get it back despite quite an effort to, Hamilton passing Massa and Rosberg, Schumacher taking Webber's nose clean off, Buemi's wheel not going on, Rosberg passing Di Resta through Dunlop, a side-by-side drag race in the pitlane (Rosberg and... Kobayashi?) and both Lotuses finishing on the lead lap.

It was a good race for Suzuka.


Come on. Im trying to make GT4Me feel better about missing the race.
 
Lightning struck the outside broadcast transmitter and no-one saw the race. They did 33 laps behind the safety car due to a solar eclipse.
 
Not to mention the lead 3 finished less than 3 seconds apart.
 
Lightning struck the outside broadcast transmitter and no-one saw the race. They did 33 laps behind the safety car due to a solar eclipse.

I ended up missing most of the race. Thanks for filling in the details :sly:. The broadcasters were trolling Vettel in the end, the technical glitch just happened to have him talking as Fernando or him talking in his crying voice while showing him in the press conference looking like he is talking as normal.

Anyway I woke up in time, then decided to go back to sleep a little bit (As you do). Next thing I know most of the race is finished of the race I was about to start watching. Only watched the last 5 laps, and thinked to myself what happened to Lewis and how Alonso is in 2nd place and closing up on Jenson for victory and also how Vettel lost out to the other two. Will watch the re-run to get a better idea of what happened.

Congratulations to Sebastian and also to Jenson for the victory. 👍 to Sergio for doing a very good job of getting in the points while being ill.
 
Fernando Alonso to Vettel: "Now we will see who is the youngest three time world champion"
 
Not to mention Sutil passing Kobayashi through 130R, etc....
You missed Kobayashi overtaking an STR coming out of the hairpin, and Webber overtaking Sutil also into 130R.
 
I liked the conversation in the watch room between Jenson and Seb. Jenson saying something like "did you not see me on the start?" and Vettel responds with "you were not half way past, I had the line" then I can't remember the rest.
 
Drove too slow, Button was quicker as was Vettel (in a slower car), whoever is quickest gets and deserves pole.

Slower car? You mad? You really think the Red Bull is a slower car? At a track like Suzuka? Absolutely not. This track with all its high speed corners is almost perfect for the RB7.

Lewis drove too slow to the line, yes, a mistake by him, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't nor does it mean he doesn't deserve pole.
 
The air between Hamilton and Massa hasn't cleared yet again with Hamilton said "The only thing I have to say is that I can't see anything in my mirrors; they vibrate so much down the straight and I had no idea he was there so maybe that's something we can fix and then I won't have [any] problems with him."

Now Massa is complaining with the FIA but if I remember correctly they did investigate the incident and the outcome was a no action taken during the race.
 
Slower car? You mad? You really think the Red Bull is a slower car? At a track like Suzuka? Absolutely not. This track with all its high speed corners is almost perfect for the RB7.

Clearly not this weekend, McLaren have kept working on this years car and it showed, Button isn't usually a great qualifier and nearly took pole.

Lewis drove too slow to the line, yes, a mistake by him, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't nor does it mean he doesn't deserve pole.

Hamilton was nowhere near to Button all weekend so how could he have beaten him and Vettel, as for deserving pole he doesn't since he was only 3rd quickest.
 
Lewis drove too slow to the line, yes, a mistake by him, but it doesn't mean he wouldn't nor does it mean he doesn't deserve pole.


You deserve poll for the fastest qualifying lap(s), not for any other reason (barring penalties).
 
Nicely done Vettel! You are truly one of the greats. 👍

My boy Di Resta had a great race up until the last 9 laps or so. He done well though and is keeping Sutil in his sights, he WANTS this no.1 drivers role. :D


Alonso was fun to watch, Forza Alonso. Webber? Did he race? :lol: Hamilton is just out of sorts at the moment. He just looks bored. Button was great to watch, fast...very fast.
 
I liked the conversation in the watch room between Jenson and Seb. Jenson saying something like "did you not see me on the start?" and Vettel responds with "you were not half way past, I had the line" then I can't remember the rest.

You should read what happened in the press conference!

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2011/10/12629.html

F1.com
QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR

Q: (Livio Oricchio - O Estado de Sao Paulo) Sebastian, could you describe your manoeuvre at the start of the race? Jenson said that it was not so fair.
SV: I just spoke to him. He expressed his feelings. Initially I wasn’t sure where he was, I didn’t really see him. I thought he was either on the right or he was far away on the left. I saw Lewis and I thought I had a good start and kept moving to the right, looking for him. By the time I saw him, I realised that maybe I was a little bit too far to the right and then he was backing off. Obviously no intention to put him in any danger but I think we can run with two wheels on the grass, can’t we Fernando?
JB: Did you think I was Fernando?
SV: No, no, I said we can race with two wheels on the grass, and then I said Fernando. Obviously, as I said, I didn’t want to put him in danger but I think we have to race each other hard and I thought it was a shame… at the end, I thought we were all getting together again and maybe have another fight. For a moment, I was thinking that maybe the victory was not out of my hands, which it looked like going into the last stint, but yeah, it was close. It would have been fun if it had continued for another five or ten laps.
JB: I probably would have struggled with another five laps.
SV: That’s why!

Q: (Joris Fioriti - Agence France Presse) Jenson, I may have been mistaken, but when I saw you on the podium you were not really overwhelmed with joy. I thought that you were at the same time happy to win, but very disappointed to lose the title. Did I imagine that or is that the way you feel?
JB: I was really surprised to lose the title today, yeah! I think I had given up on that quite a long time ago. I was very happy on the podium, maybe just the way I express my feelings isn’t as obvious as maybe I think.
SV: Maybe you were still exhausted, you had to run down from the pit lane.
JB: I had to run the whole pit lane. For some reason, I seem to do that quite a lot: parking in the wrong place and running down. I’ve never realised how uphill the pit lane is as well. Amazing. But no, I was very happy, ecstatic, this is a very special race to win, as Seb knows for the last couple of years, not just because of the layout but because of the history here and also, as I said before, the crowd here. So a very special victory; it’s obviously not as big as Seb winning the World Championship today but winning a race like this does take a little bit of time to sink in. I remember when I won the World Championship, immediately it was a strange feeling, it was like: what am I supposed to feel right now? And it takes a little bit of time. It normally comes when you’re on your own and you can really think about what you have achieved. I’m sure Seb’s going to look forward to that tonight or about five or six in the morning.
SV: Oh no. Afternoon.

Q: (Frederic Ferret - L’Equipe) Fernando, now Seb is the youngest two time World Champion; you’ve lost that title. What does it mean to you now?
FA: Really nothing special. I think now we will see who is the youngest three time World Champion.
JB: I’m feeling the odd one out here, I’m feeling uncomfortable.
SV: Did you notice that Michael is the youngest seven time World Champion - ever!
JB: Really? Wow. Is he? That surprises me. He’s also the oldest racing driver in F1.
SV: No. No. Not.

Q: (Sarah Holt - BBC Sport) Seb, you’ve almost answered my question because I was going to say it’s been a long time since we’ve had the championship won with four races left to go. Do you think…
SV: It’s probably Michael, I think he won half of his championships…
JB: Bloody Germans!
SV: What exactly do you mean?

Q: (Sarah Holt - BBC Sport) Do you think in some ways we should read that your championship this year was easier than it was last year, and for all three of you, how are going to race now that the championship has been won? Will it be free-er, how is your attitude different now?
SV: I think that it’s very likely for people to draw the wrong conclusion, to say that we had a very easy run this year. Things like this, they happen for a reason; I strongly believe that, not because things were easy for us. We had a very, very good car, no doubt, but we had an even stronger team, and as I said, a couple of times already, I think the car this year was less dominant than the car last year. Last year we had so many races where sometimes you may say we were unlucky but we made stupid mistakes as well. We did things which cost us a lot of time and cost us a lot of points in the end. A championship is not one race, it’s a lot of races pulled together and I think that’s where the difference came from this year. Obviously, after a very good start to the season, if you are on a good run, and you have this certain momentum and you’re able to keep that momentum, by not allowing yourself to start to fly or think too far ahead, really just stay present and just stay at that moment and focus race by race, and not thinking anything else. If you are able to keep that momentum that way, I think it makes you very strong and if you are on that sort of wave, then things might come a bit easier to you but it doesn’t mean that they are easy. So all in all, I think there was a lot to learn again this year, and hopefully that made us stronger for the remainder of the season, in which I think the approach will be very similar. Obviously a lot of the pressure has fallen away but nonetheless, there is a lot of pressure on us, because naturally we want to win, we want to beat those guys. We didn’t do so today so obviously we are over the moon to wrap up the championship today but we didn’t win today, so we’ve got another chance in the next races and we want to use those chances. It’s about using the opportunities you have, rather than seeing what could go wrong.
JB: Hopefully (we will race) exactly the same.
SV: So you’re always going to park just after the chequered flag?
JB: Yeah. I might not lift off next time you pull across at the start though.
SV: That means I’m on pole, so that’s good.

:lol:
 
Handbags at the ready! :lol:
 
This time round I'm not too bothered about him winning it, but I did see it coming a mile off. I think he can continue like for several years until the next major rule change, as the others are at the age where they're unlikely to get any better than they already are.
 
1st congratulations to Vettel and RedBull. Probably the fastest man, on the fastest car, so this is no surprise. Which is why it pained me to see his boyish move on the start.

He should be more confident and mature by now. But he still struggles on 1 to 1 battles and does not hesitate to block or push even when it's against his interest and should to be conservative and just finish the race to be world champion again.

The only thing bigger than his talent to drive a race car, is his ambition. I hope this new world championship helps him get that under control. Otherwise, it won't be long until he finds himself in the same league as M. Schumacher or A. Prost, and feels he has to take out another driver to become Word Champion again. Next year won't be as "easy" as these last two.

And any discussion about who had the line, or position, or whatever to me comes second to putting another driver in danger by pushing him into the grass on a straight as he did, or as Schumacher did in Monza.

As for Hamilton, it's yet another racing incident... I don't think he should get a penalty, not this time, nor most of the last ones. I don't think he's seeking contact, but he should be "advised" to improve his skills of contact avoidance.

Button is however the man of the moment. He is one of the most complete, intelligent, consistent and overall excellent racing drivers ever.

His successes are usually discarded as someone else's merits (Brawn) or mistakes (Vettel, Hamilton, etc). That is very unfair. Speed, consistency and intelligence granted him his Championship, and the good results he has got this year. All generally by fighting fair, without touching or pushing anyone off his path.

He has made the most spectacular overtakes I've ever seen on F1, especially those over the outside proving he has the speed, the skills and the courage to go with his brain.

I expect to see him get some serious performance out of the McLaren still this year, and hope he has the conditions to fight for the title next year.
 
Hi HBurnout, I wouldn't be too critical on Seb over this, truth is that these guys do it almost every race, he learned with the older ones.

About Button I agree entirely he is in his prime, but maybe calling him "... one of the most complete, intelligent, consistent and overall excellent racing drivers ever ... " is a bit too much :)

The fact is, and this relates to what I say in both previous paragraphs ... none of these guys can compare to the older generations when ONE mistake (or ONE mechanical failure, if you drove a Lotus) could be your last. They all do too many mistakes, they all have too many offs, they all have too many contact with other cars.

Granted, I think Button and Alonso can compare to guys like Stewart, Lauda or Prost. Rarely a wheel in the wrong place during entire weekends, almost during a full season. With pace above and beyond what's expected.

But guys like Schumacher, Hamilton and Vettel, 40 years ago, would either be banned from racing or killed in their rookie year.

PS - Of course, 40 years ago, they wouldn't drive like they do now. The question is ... would they be skilled enough to be champions AND survive?
 
Clearly not this weekend, McLaren have kept working on this years car and it showed, Button isn't usually a great qualifier and nearly took pole.



Hamilton was nowhere near to Button all weekend so how could he have beaten him and Vettel, as for deserving pole he doesn't since he was only 3rd quickest.

Button does fine in qualifying. Not as good as Lewis is though over 1 lap. Like I said, in qualifying, Lewis is usually somewhere like 1 or 2 tenths faster than Button, give or take a few hundredths, so pole was definitely a good possibility if Lewis got that lap.

And about the speed difference in cars this weekend, Vettel did make a few mistakes on his lap, so he might have been able to get another 2 tenths if he had another go.
 
Anyone watch the BBC Forum? I was amazed at the number of fans in the grandstands when Vettel came out to celebrate on track. It looked as though hardly no one had left. This is an hour or so after the podium ceremony. The sun had already set and the fans had no way of knowing if Vettel (or any driver) would come out. Yet the fans stuck around anyway. Those are some dedicated fans in Japan...

It was well worth staying up all night to see the race. Great drives from both Button and Alonso. And Vettel clinched his well deserved title like we all knew he would.
 
Last edited:
Good race, was very happy to see Petrov beat the Force Indias after FI said they would overhaul Renault this weekend.
I was disappointed that Webber was told (in code) not to kick Vettel off of the podium though, but hey, F1 politics.
 
Back