2011 Formula One Grand Prix de Monaco

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InvincibleM5
I wouldn't be surprised to see Alonso peeping the first 3 men into the lead like last week.
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Um, I would - because there's no space into Ste. Devote. Alonso might get Webber into the corner, but unless Button and Vettel completely duff it off the line, Alonso won't get them. Not without risking a massive pile-up. He might know that he has to rein in Vettel in particular as quickly as possible if he wants to stand a chance of victory, but he also knows that the race isn't going to be won in the first corner. There's too great a chance of a collision. If Spain has taught us anything, it's that you can't afford to react to another driver simply to cover his strategy. You have to stick to your own. Whoever wins tonight's race isn't going to be the one who gets ambitious into the first corner. The winner will be whoever plays the long game the best.
 
ECGadget
Not taking away anything from Hamilton, he is a fantastic driver... but I preferred him last year... where he blamed it on himself... maybe he's just going through a phase where he thinks he should be winning everything not Vettel, I dunno...
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Have you seen the official 2010 dvd review? I suggest you watch it and listen to some of his team radio clips.
 
The bumps don't need to be addressed, the drivers do, Perez was simply pushing too hard IMO as it was his first Q3 experience, the accident was solely his fault, unless there was a mechanical failure.

Apologies for the double post.
 
MarkWebber
The bumps don't need to be addressed, the drivers do, Perez was simply pushing too hard IMO as it was his first Q3 experience, the accident was solely his fault, unless there was a mechanical failure.

Apologies for the double post.
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How can you say that it's only the drivers fault? There is a safety concern there that should be addressed.
 
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Tesla
How can you say that it's only the drivers fault? There is a safety concern there that should be addressed.
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No fatalities, incredible barrier design using mathamatical modelling, no chance of fatality, handful of serious accidents there versus 1 million plus ventures through over the years, equals no need to do anything. I can remember when Mark won his first podium of his career, he performed overtakes over the ailing Alonso around the outside of that right kink, and he made them stick at the chicane quite comfortably, its all about the car and its capabilities, you cant just all of a sudden loose the rear without a mechanical failure, he lost it becuase he tried to get back on the racing line when he was too far wide, he should have bailed out of the chickane and braked in a straight line, he tried to make the lap, and paid the ultimate price with a serious accident, simple logic, equals simple conclusions, driver error.
 
While I agree for the driver error, they still need to do something for the safety. All the drivers have been complaining about the bumps throughout the weekend and that barrier still needs some remodelling therefore they still need to do something with the bumps. I wonder why did Perez ran wide coming out of the tunnel but sure I'm not going to make any more speculation until we heard his own words. It didn't just caught out Perez, it also caught Rosberg, Petrov and Liuzzi over the weekend. The situation could get worse during the first part of the race with all cars running on full load fuel...

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Just look at the bumps in slow motion...

EDIT: Just finished with the Porsche Supercup. The have apparently put something to prevent drivers cutting the Nouvelle Chicane and the chicane at turn 15 and 16...
 
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MarkWebber
No fatalities, incredible barrier design using mathamatical modelling, no chance of fatality, handful of serious accidents there versus 1 million plus ventures through over the years, equals no need to do anything. I can remember when Mark won his first podium of his career, he performed overtakes over the ailing Alonso around the outside of that right kink, and he made them stick at the chicane quite comfortably, its all about the car and its capabilities, you cant just all of a sudden loose the rear without a mechanical failure, he lost it becuase he tried to get back on the racing line when he was too far wide, he should have bailed out of the chickane and braked in a straight line, he tried to make the lap, and paid the ultimate price with a serious accident, simple logic, equals simple conclusions, driver error.
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So what would happen if someone did the same as both Rosberg and Perez had done in a race, with several cars chasing? And I'm pretty sure he locked up the rears IIRC.
 
InvincibleM5
While I agree for the driver error, they still need to do something for the safety.
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Nico Rosberg reckons you could cut out fifty metres of armco on the outside of the chicane and move the barrier Perez hit back without affecting the access road. Of course, the problem you might get then is drivers using the run-off to get more speed out of the chicane the way they do in Monza. Maybe a high kerb on the inside would work as a deterrant.
 
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Maybe a high kerb on the inside would work as a deterrant.
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Maybe it would help but I'm afraid if someone had a high speed incident just like Rosberg and Perz again for example coming through that place it could throw the driver up in the air and bounce the car onto the other side of the barrier. I've been thinking of putting a temporary slow down strip (if it does make sense) on the run off area...
 
MarkWebber
No fatalities, incredible barrier design using mathamatical modelling, no chance of fatality, handful of serious accidents there versus 1 million plus ventures through over the years.
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I see your point but would argue with your statistics.

The layout of the tunnel exit (or, more specifically, the run-off area beyond) has been remodelled significantly in later years.

On any other track the answer would be to move the chicane to the left and graduate the protecting wall OR to extend the straight and place the chicane further along.

The problem is that in this case there's a harbour on one side and a rock face on the other.

The logical option therefore is to reduce the tunnel exit speed - that would be a big job and would mean the drivers negotiating an obstacle in the relative darkness beneath the hotel.

There's no easy fix here...
 
Dear, Monaco
You'll Always Have A Place In My Heart.
Just so you know people, this is the first time i skipped watching f1 since its grand opening, but i'd guess i have to make an exception this day to watch the Monaco Grand Prix.​
 
I'm going to predict:

Vettel
Hamilton
Alonso
Button
Webber
Karthikeyan
Inoue
Rosberg
Massa
Petrov
 
Ne, about that corner after the tunnel exit.
Why they don't just make it a straightline rather than move further the wall.
Yeah, it probably a little dangerous with highspeed on the street but atleast there're no wall middle wall like that.

When the driver crash, they'll just hit the sidewall.
 
The 7th place is interesting, considering that driver is not taking part in the race, and for Karthikeyan to finish 6th, it would require a glitch. But your prediction in that Mark Webber will loose at least place from his starting position, well thats spot on there;) My bet is he'll fluff the start and loose out to Alonso, and Shumacer will ram him into the wall.
 
Hamilton the only one in the top 10 starting on softs. And do they always leave skid marks when coming back in? :lol:
 
Vettel already dissapear...
But this is monaco, everything can happen. ;)

EDIT: Brave overtaking by Ham! *^*b
 
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LOL at Hamilton gesturing at Schumacher for legitimately defending track position.

Get over yourself, you bloody prima donna.
 
Awesome pass by Hamilton...

Barrichello now passes Schumacher...

Sorry Schumi, it's over :(
 
Great pass, indeed.

Did Bob say Hamilton implied Schums was blocking him to favor Vettel? Really? Schumacher blocking you to benefit someone that isn't Schumacher?

Do you know Michael? :lol:
 
It's just too bad Hamilton had a horrible qualifying session, he's showing supreme pace on those hard tyres! Great pass although the gesture was unnecessary.
 

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