2011 Malaysian Grand Prix

Mansell's skill was all in his 'tache.
 


I just saw this ad and i laughed.

The ads with F1 drivers are always played during the F1.
 
Although I believe a car like the RB5-RB7 will make a driver like Webber generally look better than he is (by closing the potential gap to a super qualifier like Vettel...due to the amount of grip and DF), comparing drivers simply on qualifying placement (or points tally) rather than more important statistical data like time gap is rather short sided IMO..

My point was that people are quick to put Vettel down, but don't seem to do the same for Webber. I know the gap is very close and probably closer during races but Vettel definately has the the edge over Webber. As a Vettel fan, it get's tiresome to hear some people imply that it's all in the car.
 
My point was that people are quick to put Vettel down, but don't seem to do the same for Webber. I know the gap is very close and probably closer during races but Vettel definately has the the edge over Webber. As a Vettel fan, it get's tiresome to hear some people imply that it's all in the car.
Word. Haters gonna hate. The fact is no one has won a championship without a fast car. Everyone makes mistakes and to overcome them and in the same year win is the mark of a champion. Yesterday Vettel needed to push a little more to get pole and he did. He knew exactly what to do and where to do it to make up the lost time. I don't know how people can criticize that.

To me the points tally from last year only means so much (like judging a book by its cover) - I see many factors going into this year which mean Michael could very well go to toe to toe with Nico, now that he's had some time to polish off some rust and should be in a car that he should feel more comfortable with. But again, that's just in my eyes...the results and bad luck at the end of the year will do the talking...not your or my opinion at this point in time.
That may be the case if their points were close to each other. Nico had 142 to Michael's 72. I've read the book, not just seen the cover. I don't know what bad luck you're talking about, but the collision with Liuzzi in Abu Dhabi was the least of his worries.

It was DRS this weekend and KERS in Melbourne, or vice versa. I don't care. What's the next excuse for his lack of pace going to be?
 
With regards to the discussion of driver bashing, I think there are very few Webber, or Button haters because they seem like nice guys. Hamilton, Schumacher and Alonso have a larger group of anti-fans because they give off bad impression, ie, Hamilton being a brat, Alonso being an egomaniac, and Schumacher not being a sporting person.
 
If any Malaysian is up and awake( I think it's about 9AM there) how is the weather? The BBC forecast says thunderstorms all day which I dont really believe but the track is right beside an airport. Ideally it would rain halfway through.
 
If any Malaysian is up and awake( I think it's about 9AM there) how is the weather? The BBC forecast says thunderstorms all day which I dont really believe but the track is right beside an airport. Ideally it would rain halfway through.

I'm awake :lol:

Yeah it's a bit cloudy here, like yesterday it was about to rain at about 1300-1400 but it didn't happen. The black skies were all over my head. I'm expecting a rain at around 1300 or 1500 this evening.
 
My point was that people are quick to put Vettel down, but don't seem to do the same for Webber. I know the gap is very close and probably closer during races but Vettel definately has the the edge over Webber. As a Vettel fan, it get's tiresome to hear some people imply that it's all in the car.

I think you're being a bit too touchy regarding the subject tbh. Unless I missed something, I don't see why you really brought this up to begin with.

Where were people dissing Vettel's abilities specificially?

That may be the case if their points were close to each other. Nico had 142 to Michael's 72. I've read the book, not just seen the cover. I don't know what bad luck you're talking about, but the collision with Liuzzi in Abu Dhabi was the least of his worries.

Well I was particularly talking about the bad luck he's had so far this year, particularly in Q2 due to costly issues with the cars new systems (KERS & DRS), now that he's in his 2nd season after returning and expecting much improved results.

Regarding details of the "book" - Lets not forget, Schumacher came back from a 3 year lay off last year (at the ripe old age of 41...meaning it has probably taken him longer to get used to things) to a set of entirely new regulations among other new dynamics. The car didn't suit his driving style one bit, had many fundemental issues (weight distribution, getting the tires to work properly), critical F-duct issues... as well as a supposed damage to his chassis throughout part of the season. He was also the victim of piss-poor strategy calls at times, which didn't help his on paper results either (points tally...which is all that means anything to some when it comes to judging a drivers abilities).

At his age it is quite easy to expect that he has lost that edge and adaptability he had in his prime. I'm not at all trying to say the 42 year old Schumacher is the driving machine he was before...rather trying to get across that the man still has a ton of raw speed and precision when (key point) the car is working for him...meaning he can still win races and even beat Nico if the car is hooked up like his days at Ferrari in the early 2000's (he still has something special in him...even if he's lost his ability to drive around rather large issues like the MB cars have had so far in his tenure there).

Some of you seem to forget that what made Michael so good back in his day was his ability to finely tune and develop the car to his liking, by putting/bringing together a great team (he is a great communicator and leader) and developing the car...something that doesn't happen overnight, especially with the ban on in-season testing.


It was DRS this weekend and KERS in Melbourne, or vice versa. I don't care. What's the next excuse for his lack of pace going to be?

Hey if you want to ignore fact , that's your choice. From my perspective it only hurts your side of the argument though.

I'm really quite tired of this redundent topic. Some of you need to get over the fact that Michael has signed a 3 contract to drive for MB (they can do whatever they want. His names brings in a lot of money by itself). You ought to give the guy some respect for now and let him do his thing and see how he does. IMO trying to write the guy off after the mid season in his first year of return (and even now) means your initial expectations are a bit far fetched. I think at the end of this season we will have a much better picture of Michaels potential. Heck, even this weekend Michael looked to have Nico's number going into Q2 until the issue with the DRS which put him out :indiff: Hopefully he will have a good race tommorow and possibly be able to overtake Nico to shut some of the naysayers (the Eddie Jordan's) up lol.
 
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I just don't understand the blind following of Schumacher at Mercedes GP. I don't completely understand why Brawn still has him as his number one driver. He hasn't proven that he is their better driver yet is given the benefit of the doubt. I'm done.

60% chance of rain throughout the day in Sepang.
 
I just don't understand the blind following of Schumacher at Mercedes GP. I don't completely understand why Brawn still has him as his number one driver. He hasn't proven that he is their better driver yet is given the benefit of the doubt. I'm done.

What makes you believe he's the number 1 driver at MGP, and more importantly is the driver who is getting some type of meaningful preferential treatment? I hope you are not basing this on some meaningless number on the side of his car, or the color of his T-cam...or the fact that the W01's wheelbase was extended to change the weight distribution in attempt to fix a fundamental balance issue with the car (which helped Nico as well). None of this evidence (at least in my book) to support your notion.

Anyway, bring on race day! Hopefully we see a nice race at the front (with Hamilton coming out on top). Would be nice to see Alonso score a podium in the doggish Ford F150 as well...woops I mean F150 Italia :lol:
 
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The red TV camera on top of the airbox and the lower number on his car proves he's Mercedes' number one driver. That's what they do in F1, meaningless or not. Even commentators sometimes mention that the red camera is for the 'better' driver per team. If it wasn't, why would the cameras be different colors and why bother having numbers on the cars? This isn't MotoGP or NASCAR where the race numbers mean nothing.
 
If any Malaysian is up and awake( I think it's about 9AM there) how is the weather? The BBC forecast says thunderstorms all day which I dont really believe but the track is right beside an airport. Ideally it would rain halfway through.

Live 20km from the track...
Storm cloud building up, but expected to rain this afternoon. But things can change, it's unpredictable.... :sick:
 
The red TV camera on top of the airbox and the lower number on his car proves he's Mercedes' number one driver. That's what they do in F1, meaningless or not..

I think you're reading into the color of the camera FAR too much. It could be a simple matter of each driver having a preference for a particular color...and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case, given that Rosberg has generally had a yellow colored (themed) helmet (even before joining MGP), while Schumacher a red one.

I also find it quite interesting that you are so quick to jump on MGP/Schumacher for the fact that he is using the red colored cam, yet you seem to turn a blind eye to the fact that Vettel (last years Champ) has a yellow camera and Webber a red one :odd: Does this also mean that Webber is RBR's #1 driver?

Even commentators sometimes mention that the red camera is for the 'better' driver per team. If it wasn't, why would the cameras be different colors and why bother having numbers on the cars? This isn't MotoGP or NASCAR where the race numbers mean nothing.

Because it's much easier differentiating drivers by the different colored T cams rather than trying to squint to see a small number on a car as it goes flying by on television.
 
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Speaking of car numbers how do they assign them.

Is it by constructors championship last year or just random assignment to the team?
 
Speaking of car numbers how do they assign them.

Is it by constructors championship last year or just random assignment to the team?

It is by constructors, Apart from number 1 which always goes to the winning driver and whatever team he races for in the next season.
 
I also find it quite interesting that you are so quick to jump on MGP/Schumacher for the fact that he is using the red colored cam, yet you seem to turn a blind eye to the fact that Vettel (last years Champ) has a yellow camera and Webber a red one :odd: Does this also mean that Webber is RBR's #1 driver?
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Hamilton's camera, if I recall right, is yellow. It matches his helmet better.

Which is beside the point. Whatever sentimental reasons they have for giving Schumi the better team number, I don't for a second believe that Brawn GP doesn't recognize that Nico is currently their better driver.
 
My personal opinion on this is that Rosberg is where MGB/BGP are staking their future but MSC is there for the development phase, no matter what he or MGP say. He is the man that can give engineers exactly what they need in terms of feedback to develop a car further. For now, MSC is the number 1 in that team but Nico is definitely pinned for the future there unless That red italian team snap him up...

Just my opinion...
 
The red TV camera on top of the airbox and the lower number on his car proves he's Mercedes' number one driver. That's what they do in F1, meaningless or not. Even commentators sometimes mention that the red camera is for the 'better' driver per team. If it wasn't, why would the cameras be different colors and why bother having numbers on the cars? This isn't MotoGP or NASCAR where the race numbers mean nothing.

I always thought they gave him the lower number as a way of showing respect(Based on no facts of course).

Also, I wouldn't say that numbers in MotoGP and NASCAR mean nothing, they just mean something completely different. In both they are a way of identifying a driver, for instance Valentino Rossi goes hand in hand with the number 46. However in F1 it shows how successful your team was the previous year.
 
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I always thought they gave him the lower number as a way of showing respect(Based on no facts of course).
Actually, they give him the number because he's superstitious like that. He apparently feels very uncomfortable driving a car with an even number. Particularly last year, when Mercedes had the numbers 3 and 4. Schumacher has a fascination with - or at least an interest in - Eastern cultures. You have to look very closely, but you can see faint Chinese characters on his helmet. The number 4 in China is associated with death because the word for "four" and the word for "death" are really quite similar (it's always fun watching the Chinese students at my university call the Student Centre, because the number they have to dial is x4444).

Drivers are a superstitious lot, but Schumacher stands out among them. He doesn't like racing with an even number, and he always has to carry a toy hairbrush his daughter once gave him in his racing suit. I think he might also race with different-coloured boots (though if he doesn't, it's anotehr driver's little quirk). There's a few others that I can't remember, too.

As for how numbers are assigned, it's generally at the team's discretion. Most teams - McLaren spring to mind - will award them based on their standings in the WDC the previous year (there was a huge outcry from Hamilton fans when the initial forms were lodged for 2011 with Button as car 3). Mercedes indulge Schumacher's superstitions. And last year, Felipe Massa was given the number 7 (instead of 8, as Alonso finshed higher in 2009 because Ferrari wanted to rally support around him as they staged a comeback from their worst season in nearly twenty years.
 
Well...

I can't believe I am still awake. I tried staying awake for Quali yesterday and I lost the battle 50 minutes prior to it starting.

Staying awake for Aussie GP was simple, but 4AM EST for this? :nervous:

... 1 hour and 20 minutes to go.
 
Crap, that's right, isn't it? The OneHD website shows live streaming starts at 5pm AEST, but I forgot that includes a one-hour pre-race show. Since I'm in no mood for flapping gums, I'll have to wait it out ...
 
Well...

I can't believe I am still awake. I tried staying awake for Quali yesterday and I lost the battle 50 minutes prior to it starting.

Staying awake for Aussie GP was simple, but 4AM EST for this? :nervous:

... 1 hour and 20 minutes to go.

It's only 5mins? I think.
 

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