2011 NASCAR Thread

[Austin343]

I had seen it done once before this. Tony Stewart did it in his 2009 win at Pocono.



5:03 is when you can first notice it.

Wow, I had completely forgotten about that. I find fuel-conservation races very interesting, so thanks for pointing it out. I'm still a little surprised that it isn't a more common strategy. That said, Carl Edwards at Texas a few years ago saved ten laps of fuel by using half-throttle, not by pushing in the clutch, so it's hardly the only way to be extraordinarily efficient.

 

[JohnBM01]

Okay. According to Speed Center's Facebook fan page, Richard Childress just took a $150K USD hit to his wallet. Here you go:

"BREAKING NEWS: NASCAR fines Richard Childress $150,000 and places him on probation for the rest of the year for Saturday's post-race altercation involving Kyle Busch..."

Thoughts, fans?

 

[Müle]

You only see so much on camera, it's naive to assume that the 'clean pass' is what Busch bumped him for. Even if it wasn't, a little after race tap to say "I wasn't happy with <insert event>" Is perfectly acceptable in my case.

As for Childress, Busch did the right thing not fighting back. Had he fought back, you'd all slander him for hitting a senior citizen. No matter what he does, you'll say it was wrong, because you're just biased against him. Remember, I'm not even a Kyle fan, and I can still see your blatant biased.

So being a sore loser and a crybaby is acceptable?

He had every right to fight back. He was attacked, after all. But he didn't, because he's a wimp.

As for the fine, that's pretty much what I expected. lol @ the delusional Busch fans on the SPEED.com page for it crying.

 

[Northstar]

because he's a wimp.

Really?

First you complain when he does do something, now you complain because he doesn't?

I have a hard time figuring out who cries more, Kyle or some of the people in this thread. Leaning towards the people in this thread.

 

[SuperShouden]

I'm sorry, but if some racer took out two of my guys post race, I'd probably go over and kick his ass, too. The fine Childress, put him on probation, but they say "Busch has done nothing to effect his probation for slamming Harvick post race at Charlotte." What? I'm sorry, but what race was NASCAR watching?

NASCAR is officially the new NFL. I'm just waiting for a driver to actually kill another driver...or his wife...or his dog and still appear at the next NASCAR race.

Then again, we knew this after Tony Stewert spun someone out during a caution lap and instead of being kicked out of the race like NASCAR used to do, they gave him a stop and go penalty. Ok. Look avoidable contact would be if the guy in front of you breaks and you don't break and slam into him. Deliberate contact is when someone pisses you off and you've been watching Days of Thunder the entire week and pull a Tom Cruise and slam into the guy that pissed you off after the race is over. Like, you guys to realize you're driving fiberglass cans with rollcages right? You know if you do stuff like that, eventually, someone's gonna die. But, don't worry, you'll only be gone for a couple races.

SERIOUSLY NASCAR. Grow a pair.

 

[Adrenaline]

You can't get mad that NASCAR doesn't discipline them, when NASCAR created the rule that encourages them to do it. 'Boys Have At It' isn't just an expression, it was an open door invitation to retaliate on track. The key word here, is ON TRACK. When you have a roll cage, safer barriers, helmets and sheet metal wrapped around you. Not on pit road, not in the pits, not in the middle of the week. You have to be able to mentally and emotionally understand that what happens on the track and off the track are 2 entirely different worlds. People who can't make the disconnect, like Harvick, Childress are the ones NASCAR will penalize every time. Why? Because NASCAR told them it's okay to do it ON the track and I think by now they've made it perfectly clear that it's NOT okay to do it off the track. I'm not sure how much more clear they can be than that.

As for Kyle, you can call him a wimp, but he did the right thing. If I'm in a bar, and some 60-70 year old man tries to pick a fight with me, or take a swing, because he's drunk and pissed off, I'm not going to fight back. I'll protect myself, defend myself, but I won't be throwing any punches. When I was younger and my Mom use to smack me around, (deservingly) I didn't fight back, just because I was bigger, stronger and could. I shut my mouth, took my punishment like a man and walked away. There are times when fighting back is the right thing to do and there are times when it isn't. Real men can discern the difference and make the right choice.
I'm not saying this is actually what Kyle did, because I think he has some growing up to do still. I think Kyle (and Childress) got lucky, because Kyle knew he was on probation with NASCAR, on thin ice with Joe Gibbs for the speeding ticket, and probably just thought it was in his personal best interest to not push his luck. It might not have been for the right reasons, but Kyle still did the right thing.

 

[hornet_burnout]

Nice to see Kezelowski get the win.

About dipin' the clutch. I think throttle back does save more fuel in theory, but only in fuel injected engines (correct me if I'm wrong), and this also allows to throttle back sooner and coast longer, because it removes engine brake.

 

[Müle]

Really?

First you complain when he does do something, now you complain because he doesn't?

I have a hard time figuring out who cries more, Kyle or some of the people in this thread. Leaning towards the people in this thread.

What I'm trying to say is that everything he does is on the track. When you confront him about it afterwards, he just cries and runs away to mommy, instead of manning up. I get that he's on probation, and that he wouldn't want to risk violating it, but if someone has me in a headlock and is punching me, i'm going to defend myself.

 

[The Bman]

Kyle Busch is a crybaby and a wimp.

On to NASCAR on TNT... it's not going to be the same until February.
NASCAR on Fox was excellent...

 

[Northstar]

What I'm trying to say is that everything he does is on the track. When you confront him about it afterwards, he just cries and runs away to mommy, instead of manning up. I get that he's on probation, and that he wouldn't want to risk violating it, but if someone has me in a headlock and is punching me, i'm going to defend myself.

What would you do if he punched Richard? You would be here saying how big of a pussy he is for hitting an old man I'm guessing.

I have no problem with him only solving issues on track, that's where they belong.

I get it, you and a few others don't like Kyle, frankly though it's basically ruined this thread. Look how many people have been posting in it. It gets annoying not being able to read a page without having to hear people 🤬 about Kyle.

There is a saying from when I had to watch the races online, "talk your drivers up, not other drivers down". Perhaps that needs to be applied to this thread or something.

 

[CodeRedR51]

On to NASCAR on TNT... it's not going to be the same until February.
NASCAR on Fox was excellent...

...except for Waltrip's stupid Boogity crap. Everyone in my household hates it. 👎

 

[Müle]

What would you do if he punched Richard? You would be here saying how big of a pussy he is for hitting an old man I'm guessing.

If he was the aggressor, probably, depending on the circumstances. But was he? no.

I have no problem with him only solving issues on track, that's where they belong.

a) So you're okay with people causing thousands, if not, millions of dollars worth of damage, risking injury to innocent people? You're okay with these?








Really? Accidents happen. "bump-and-runs" are borderline. But being a crybaby and intentionally destroying someone else's equipment is something that should not be tolerated.


b) THERE WAS NO ISSUE! Coulter passed him cleanly on the last lap of a race. Someone explain to me how that's an issue again.

ANYWAY, I'm going to predict another fuel milage race at Pocono, unless Nascar throws another phantom yellow. Recent races haven't been as boring as usual, and they're allowing shifting again, so it should be interesting.

 

[Northstar]

If he was the aggressor, probably, depending on the circumstances. But was he? no.

I for some reason don't think you pay attention to circumstances. I've read you posts here, you seem to use any and every opportunity you get to whine about Busch. Like I said, I'm starting to wonder who does more whining.

a) So you're okay with people causing thousands, if not, millions of dollars worth of damage, risking injury to innocent people? You're okay with these?

It depends on the situation, Carl wrecking Brad at Atlanta and Busch wrecking Harvick at Darlington were both going over the line. However some retaliatory beating and banging is fine in my book. Certainly though the owner of a team shouldn't be getting involved.

Really? Accidents happen. "bump-and-runs" are borderline. But being a crybaby and intentionally destroying someone else's equipment is something that should not be tolerated.

Um, there was no destroying of equipment, Busch nudged him, at most it's 15 minutes with a hammer in damage.

You are making it sound like Busch ruined Coulter's day when Busch didn't make any contact until after the race.

b) THERE WAS NO ISSUE! Coulter passed him cleanly on the last lap of a race. Someone explain to me how that's an issue again.

Watch the battle again, if Busch hadn't backed off they both would have crashed. All Busch did was nudge him after the race, nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Coulter is a young driver, Busch was just showing his displeasure with his pass.



I also suggest reading this, I respect his opinion on the matter way more than yours.

 

[Müle]

I for some reason don't think you pay attention to circumstances. I've read you posts here, you seem to use any and every opportunity you get to whine about Busch. Like I said, I'm starting to wonder who does more whining.

So you basically ignore what I say, and instead make a baseless, borderline ad hominem accusation.

👎

It depends on the situation, Carl wrecking Brad at Atlanta and Busch wrecking Harvick at Darlington were both going over the line. However some retaliatory beating and banging is fine in my book. Certainly though the owner of a team shouldn't be getting involved.

Where do you draw the line then?

Um, there was no destroying of equipment, Busch nudged him, at most it's 15 minutes with a hammer in damage.

You are making it sound like Busch ruined Coulter's day when Busch didn't make any contact until after the race.



Watch the battle again, if Busch hadn't backed off they both would have crashed. All Busch did was nudge him after the race, nothing wrong with that in my opinion. Coulter is a young driver, Busch was just showing his displeasure with his pass.

If I didn't like the way a guy passed me, I'd talk to him about it after the race. Especially if it was a rookie/development driver. I'm sure the vast majority of people do that, too. I wouldn't go out and cause damage to equipment that people in the shops spend many hard hours building and preparing. I don't think you, or Busch, or anyone who seems to support intentional crashing realize that, which is a damn shame.

This is regardless of how much damage it is, or whatever reason Busch did it (personally, I think it's because he was visibly upset that a rookie was faster than him, but I guess I don't know that for sure).

I also suggest reading this, I respect his opinion on the matter way more than yours.

Subtle, baseless insults aside, while on the topic of Jimmy Spencer, watch this

But take it from someone who has been there – Childress crossed the line in punching Busch. No one should ever hit or physically confront another individual. Arguing, hurling insults or yelling at someone is okay, but you shouldn’t touch them.

I really couldn't care less if you "respect" what I'm going to say or not, or even believe me, but I agree with this. But it happened, it was funny to hear about, and fun to imagine what it would have been like to have been there.

 

[Northstar]

So you basically ignore what I say, and instead make a baseless, borderline ad hominem accusation.

👎

That's what you've basically been doing.

Where do you draw the line then?

Um, did you read my post?

It depends on the situation, Carl wrecking Brad at Atlanta and Busch wrecking Harvick at Darlington were both going over the line. However some retaliatory beating and banging is fine in my book. Certainly though the owner of a team shouldn't be getting involved.

Bold part, read it for my answer.

If I didn't like the way a guy passed me, I'd talk to him about it after the race. Especially if it was a rookie/development driver. I'm sure the vast majority of people do that, too. I wouldn't go out and cause damage to equipment that people in the shops spend many hard hours building and preparing. I don't think you, or Busch, or anyone who seems to support intentional crashing realize that, which is a damn shame.

1: Where did I say I was fine with intentional wrecking? I said beating and banging was fine.

2: Rookies are usually thick headed idiots that don't take advice from people. They are like children, you can tell them 1000 times that if they do something they will get hurt but they won't stop doing it until they actually get hurt. Therefor it's easier to just get the slap on the wrist out of the way and hope they learn.

This is regardless of how much damage it is, or whatever reason Busch did it (personally, I think it's because he was visibly upset that a rookie was faster than him, but I guess I don't know that for sure).

So you basically have no actual response?

I posted the video showing Coulter moving up on Busch forcing to let off the throttle. If Busch really had a problem with a rookie being faster than him why didn't he do something during the 10 laps they were battling? I saw a few moments where Busch could have easily just bumped him and been done with it but he didn't.

Busch raced him clean and he expected clean racing in return, what he got was nearly being forced into the wall. Say what you will about Busch but he is at least attempting to become more mature, he still has moments of utter idiocy but they are becoming fewer and farther between.

 

[Müle]

That's what you've basically been doing.

Erm, no, it really hasn't. I've been stating opinions as I see them, but I guess I'm not "respected" enough to have a valid one.

Um, did you read my post?



Bold part, read it for my answer.

I was asking for specifics. Where does "beating and banging" end and "wrecking someone" begin?

1: Where did I say I was fine with intentional wrecking? I said beating and banging was fine.

See above.

2: Rookies are usually thick headed idiots that don't take advice from people. They are like children, you can tell them 1000 times that if they do something they will get hurt but they won't stop doing it until they actually get hurt. Therefor it's easier to just get the slap on the wrist out of the way and hope they learn.

So you're saying that you can't battle hard on the last lap of a race just because you're a "thick headed idiot" rookie?



The majority of drivers would have done exactly as he did. He was fighting for a position on the last lap of a race. He did nothing wrong.

So you basically have no actual response?

If all I'm going to get from you is utter disrespect like that, don't even bother replying to me.

 

[RACECAR]

I just thought of something: Why don't they do the exact same nose improvement to the trucks they did to the cup cars? I'm sure that would improve the front end downforce and I think the trucks would look just that little bit better.

 

[Müle]

I just thought of something: Why don't they do the exact same nose improvement to the trucks they did to the cup cars? I'm sure that would improve the front end downforce and I think the trucks would look just that little bit better.

Yeah, that'd definitely make a ton of sense...

 

[Cale]

Third pole in a row for Penske racing.

 

[RACECAR]

Just an update for you guys: Micheal Waltrip has just got in the car and is beginning his first stint.

 

[Cale]

Edwards in the garage lap 60.

 

[CodeRedR51]

If my picks keep with it, it'll be a good day.

Edit: what's with all the mystery debris cautions today?

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Edit: what's with all the mystery debris cautions today?

Well, it IS Pocono after all. We all needed a break because it was so exciting out there.

 

[RACECAR]

I'm guessing the Cup race is boring today? If so, it looks like ARCA has managed to put on a more exciting show.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Rowdy just got a piece of the wall.

 

[Cale]

First Carl with engine issues, now Hamlin has no rear brakes...

 

[chances14]

this is just not hamlin's year. another race that he should of won but didn't due to bad luck

 

[CodeRedR51]

First Carl with engine issues, now Hamlin has no rear brakes...

Despite Gordon's win, Hamlin's finish is going to hurt my points...

 

[MatskiMonk]

Alwyas happy to see Gordon win.. and a good result for Juan Montoya too.. , would have been better if it were not for the gearbox

 

[Fuzzy]

Good win for Jeff Gordon today, will be interesting to see if they can carry the momentum over the next few weeks.