2012 Australian Grand Prix

[Lizard]

Agreed, as much as people seem to hate Jake I thought he was brilliant myself, and I also thought Coulthard/Brundle was a brilliant pair in the commentary box and overall it was much better.

Sky seem to be trying to highlight the stats to much, the BBC were also keen on there stats but not so far to have a dedicated station on the matter. In a few years time (When Sky's contract expires) I believe this will be back on BBC full time.

Nah it will pass to ITV if the protest is big enough the BBC wont have the money.

Also I didn't see the BBC version but sky did well during the race but then I love Brundle anyway but before was awful. The thing they have Ant doing is really depressing actually.

 

[Matty]

Nah it will pass to ITV if the protest is big enough the BBC wont have the money.

Also I didn't see the BBC version but sky did well during the race but then I love Brundle anyway but before was awful. The thing they have Ant doing is really depressing actually.

Maybe RTÉ will get it again..

Wait.. Actually I want Eamon Dumphy as far away from F1 as possible..

 

[Ardius]

I liked Jake early on, in 2009. But in 2010 onwards he's got too cocky, too condescending and occasionally a downright bully to Eddie Jordan. I absolutely hate when Jake ends an interview telling people what they should go do, its so bizarrely rude and abrupt, most of the time most interviewees don't realise its their cue to end the interview and so it ends up quite awkward.

EJ and Coulthard though have developed into a good back and forth comedy show. Watching Coulthard's face in reaction to EJ's latest outlandish comment is comedy gold. But Coulthard manages not to be rude to EJ and doesn't bully him, just lightly ribs him when he royally screws up what he is saying.

I just feel Jake tries to toe a "me and the lads havin' a laf" kind of line which just irks me most of the time and like I say, sometimes comes off as being rude or even bullying when he makes fun of EJ (usually when Eddie is actually trying to make a decent point but is making a hash of articulating it).

I think we all accept that EJ is a complete clown most of the time, but there's no need to point it out regularly and make a point of making fun of him so often.

Other than that, Jake is good because he at least appears to have embraced the sport and made an effort to learn its history and does a decent job of steering EJ and DC through various issues. He's also otherwise a very professional presenter and rarely makes many serious mistakes. Like I say, its just his tone and his mannerisms which ruin it.

 

[Matty]

Agreed on the 'telling people what to do as a cue for ending the interview' although it never annoyed me, and also on 'bullying' EJ. Coulthard's back and forth with EJ and MB was brilliant and very saddened to see Martin Brundle (MB) gone to Sky.

 

[Bigbazz]

Watching the aftershow of the BBC, it looked like to me that Eddie had had a few to drink ^^. I never liked Jake for the above reasons (tho not quite so much as you) and find him to be a really cheaky bastard at times.

But at other times thats why I like him, he is a cheaky bastard about stuff and overall I believe his enthusiasm for the sport. The guy on Sky just seems like to me hes been winging it picking up F1 as he goes along, genuinely not really having a clue, I dunno I just don't find him very believeable.

Watching the BBC coverage even with the very brief preshow, and then the after show in the 2 hour long highlights was just much more enjoyable for me than watching the Sky one. Jake, Eddie and David are a winning combination.

 

[Matty]

👍 although I missed Ted Kravitz and Martin Brundle.

 

[Bigbazz]

Well yeah, Martin Brundle is the single most important part of the Sky F1 team, and is key to the popularity, he is to many the voice of F1 post-murray walker. When it comes to the actual race broadcast, sky wins.

I find it very strange that some other countries get the full commentry of the race for all races (using the BBC audio feed) while the UK only gets half / half.

 

[Brend]

 

[Ardius]

I find it very strange that some other countries get the full commentry of the race for all races (using the BBC audio feed) while the UK only gets half / half.

Probably down to contractual obligations. BBC presumably sold the coverage a couple of years ago and are still contracted to do it. Some like in Australia seem to have either accepted taking Sky as an alternative or re-negogiated for Sky commentary.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

They had ten hours. What they produced was rubbish - just showing the three sessions (with the stoppage cut out, though it would have been nice to see a red flag) would have been a billion times better.

They have to balance the compromises of having additional content and how to edit that in to the limited time slot they have. It should become better with time by maybe allocating more air time for the highlights or cutting additional content. The problem for the editing team is they have the F1 presenters, doing a live programme and not directly for highlights so to include about red flag, they would have to show the part where the presenters / commentators are talking about it, and that might make them go over time. I think best thing for the highlights team to do, is to get someone to fill in the blanks between different clips, maybe get Jake to do it after the show finishes so they add the highlight element and not just cut and paste live content element.



Anyway on to the race. Hamilton was quite unlucky but at least he brought the car home and picked up good points. Button handled the race brilliantly after getting lead and deserved to win. Vettel and Webber did well to recover and get a lot of points. Very good drive from Alonso. Williams battled Ferrari quite a bit but ended with nothing. Massa needs to really step up his game. Crazy ending to the race which had quite a big effect on the constructors championship. Mercedes like Williams must be disappointed getting no points after their strong showing on this track.

 

[chromatic9]

I like Damon Hill just for the entertainment value. Standing there looking vacant, looking left and right, looking up to the sky, anywhere except the camera, while trying to think of something to say.

 

[Peter.]

Now that I look back on Maldonado's crash, it doesn't look much like a case of him pushing too hard and crashing. He didn't even go that wide onto the astroturf, or at least not any more than Alonso did before him. Snap oversteer just got the better of him.

 

[Pagey279]

Epic race, enjoyed watching this one a lot
Even better seeing as Button was victorious (I live and was brought up in his home town)

 

[zippy_the_cat]

What about Mark Webber's? "Guys I'm not feeling too BLAURUHFSWOIFARGOUARHGOAR... I've just been sick"
"Understood Mark, box, box, box."

Dunno whether its something to respect or not that he decided to race despite being full of flu. >__>

Classic.

 

[tribolik]

I agree that the yellow flag thing is downright dirty and unsafe but even Grosjean has said that Maldonaldo took a fair line in the corner and simply carried too much speed and out-braked himself.
Though I don't agree completely with Grosjean (he was just as stupid to put his car in a gap that was going to close), the fact he concedes that Maldonaldo's line was ok closes the book on this.

You think Pastor turned into Romain. Romain thinks Pastor simply just went too hot into the corner.

Honestly, there are far more obvious dirty moves from Maldonaldo elsewhere, and this one was a fair and relatively clean move. I'd still blame Grosjean for expecting a gap and putting his car in a position it really didn't need to be - races are only lost in the first couple of laps, what did he really have to gain trying to push his car past on the outside there? Equally though I can't blame him too much for trying.

Basically I think you and others are making too much of this incident when the victim himself has moved on. I don't think Maldonaldo needs to change his behaviour in this particular scenario - though he does with regards to the yellow flags (though he could have missed them). Grosjean has other chances to shine and he perhaps needs to learn there is too much to lose trying to drive wheel-to-wheel in corners which don't favour it against very aggressive and erratic drivers like Pastor.

You probably didnt understand what he said (bad english) he didnt say anything about a fair line
Grosjean said that Maldonado braked far too late couldnt turn (couldnt take a better line) so he didnt give him any room and hit his front wheel on the other hand he (Grosjean) couldnt give more room (gave all the space he could give and couldnt go more to the left)... in other words - that idiot went in too hot and crashed into me when I gave him space to overtake...



But thats what he thinks happens because when he sees the footage he will probably see the same thing as me....

 

[Crushed]

In my fantasy poll (not this website) I went Vettel Hamilton Webber.... perfect order.... ...but Jenson had to ruin it Great race today, surprised the Ferrari team did poorly compared to usual! And surprised many others like kobayashi came so high up! OH MALDONADO YOU WERE SO CLOOOOSE!!!

 

[prisonermonkeys]

in other words - that idiot went in too hot and crashed into me when I gave him space to overtake...

Stop twisting his words. He says quite clearly that he thinks it was a racing incident.

But thats what he thinks happens because when he sees the footage he will probably see the same thing as me....

I'm glad to see you know better than the racing driver who was actually there. Grosjean thinks it was a racing incident. The stewards think it was a racing incident. Pretty much everyone agrees that it was a racing incident. Everyone, that is, except you. You are clearly trying to make Maldonado out to be an aggressive and irresponsible driver who is a danger to himself and anyone around him at best, and a cartoonish thug with an axe to grind and who deliberately runs people off the road for no reason at all at worst. And it's obvious that you still hold his actions at Spa last year against him, as if he somehow went the weekend without receiving the mother of all tongue-lashings from Frank Williams. This isn't about Grosjean's collision - it's obvious you're persecuting him for that incident in Spa (even thought the stewards reprimanded Hamilton for his role in inciting it by pushing Maldonado off the dry line). Well, get over it. Everyone else has. We've had enough of you and your vendetta against Maldonado.

 

[F1 fan]

Really? That reads like you calling me sir.

Do you have to take everything so personally? But yes, I've encountered a lot of people with the same attitude online and they have caused a lot of crashes.

As for crashing rather than losing positions, how long have you been watching F1? It's default behaviour for Formula drivers. Especially new drivers. Giving up a position doesn't look good to the team boss.

I've been watching F1 since some time around '91. When I was four years old. I also happen to know that getting involved in an avoidable incident looks far worse than losing a place. Fact of the matter is Grosjean could have avoided Maldonado and had a go at overtaking him again.

I really don't see why you got offended here.

 

[peter_vod69]

I've been watching F1 since some time around '91. When I was four years old.

I agree though. Maldonado simply pulled the old Senna trick of "I'll allow you to make the choice whether to crash or not, by putting my car here."

 

[F1 fan]

I was asked how long I've been watching F1 for. I hardly think the "watchout we've got a badass" image is necessary.

 

[peter_vod69]

I was asked how long I've been watching F1 for. I hardly think the "watchout we've got a badass" image is necessary.

Lighten up!

 

[tribolik]

Stop twisting his words. He says quite clearly that he thinks it was a racing incident.


I'm glad to see you know better than the racing driver who was actually there. Grosjean thinks it was a racing incident. The stewards think it was a racing incident. Pretty much everyone agrees that it was a racing incident. Everyone, that is, except you. You are clearly trying to make Maldonado out to be an aggressive and irresponsible driver who is a danger to himself and anyone around him at best, and a cartoonish thug with an axe to grind and who deliberately runs people off the road for no reason at all at worst. And it's obvious that you still hold his actions at Spa last year against him, as if he somehow went the weekend without receiving the mother of all tongue-lashings from Frank Williams. This isn't about Grosjean's collision - it's obvious you're persecuting him for that incident in Spa (even thought the stewards reprimanded Hamilton for his role in inciting it by pushing Maldonado off the dry line). Well, get over it. Everyone else has. We've had enough of you and your vendetta against Maldonado.

I never said it wasnt a legal pass or wasnt a racing incindent. Susuka 1990 was also a racing incident... and Senna won the championship

I dont have any vendetta against Maldonado I dont even know the guy... Im just stating my opinion on the matter and Im glad Im not the only one that thought it was a rude move (Martin Brundle is also of the same opinion)
If you think it was clean great driving and a good overtake than its your opinion and your entitle to it as am I but just because you dont agree with me that doesnt give you the right to try and shut me up as I wont do the same to you and your IMO wrong opinion.

In the end justice was serve and thats all that matters

 

[Peter.]

I never said it wasnt a legal pass or wasnt a racing incindent. Susuka 1990 was also a racing incident... and Senna won the championship

I dont have any vendetta against Maldonado I dont even know the guy... Im just stating my opinion on the matter and Im glad Im not the only one that thought it was a rude move (Martin Brundle is also of the same opinion)
If you think it was clean great driving and a good overtake than its your opinion and your entitle to it as am I but just because you dont agree with me that doesnt give you the right to try and shut me up as I wont do the same to you and your IMO wrong opinion.

In the end justice was serve and thats all that matters

Whether or not it was rude, it was considered a legal move. There was no justice to be served to begin with. It just sounds like you're peeved at Maldonado ending Grosjean's race, and are happy to see him crash in the end.

 

[tribolik]

Whether or not it was rude, it was considered a legal move. There was no justice to be served to begin with. It just sounds like you're peeved at Maldonado ending Grosjean's race, and are happy to see him crash in the end.

To be honnest I would be happier if Grosjean had finished the race and Maldonado had overtaken Alonso (because of williams sake) but I have to agree that after he pulled that move I had a smile on my face after he crashed and Lotus got a few more well deserved points because of that...

What really makes me happy is to see high class clean overtaking like Vettel did with Rosberg in the early stages... (and I dont even like Vettel) thats what really makes me happy... and not to see people gaining advantage on crashing others.

 

[niky]

To be honest, the incident didn't look that dirty to me. It's pretty obvious the curbs have been very slippery all weekend long, catching people out left and right and left again, so cutting too deep into one could have caused Maldonado to understeer out into Grosjean.

But what's done is done. The race is over, and given the huge number of retirements, few of which were directly due to mechanical failure, I believe a lot of drivers are going to be reviewing their priorities and re-evaluating how hard you can push these new tires.

 

[Anghammarad]

Ah, a new F1 season on GTP. Infected debates, name callings, delusional images of drivers abilities. I've missed it.

 

[That90sGuy]

My 2 cents. Grosjean thought Maldonado was slighly further up the road then he was and got blind-sided. Maldonado thought he had completed the pass on Grosjean and also was blind-sided.

Racing incident, move on, period.

 

[Müle]

Stop twisting his words. He says quite clearly that he thinks it was a racing incident.


I'm glad to see you know better than the racing driver who was actually there. Grosjean thinks it was a racing incident. The stewards think it was a racing incident. Pretty much everyone agrees that it was a racing incident. Everyone, that is, except you. You are clearly trying to make Maldonado out to be an aggressive and irresponsible driver who is a danger to himself and anyone around him at best, and a cartoonish thug with an axe to grind and who deliberately runs people off the road for no reason at all at worst. And it's obvious that you still hold his actions at Spa last year against him, as if he somehow went the weekend without receiving the mother of all tongue-lashings from Frank Williams. This isn't about Grosjean's collision - it's obvious you're persecuting him for that incident in Spa (even thought the stewards reprimanded Hamilton for his role in inciting it by pushing Maldonado off the dry line). Well, get over it. Everyone else has. We've had enough of you and your vendetta against Maldonado.

Am I still allowed to not like him and call him MADonado whenever possible?

 

[Imari]

Am I still allowed to not like him and call him MADonado whenever possible?

No, you have to call him Maldonicebro.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Am I still allowed to not like him and call him MADonado whenever possible?

No, but you may call him "Donald, the Bad Priest".