2012 Santander Italian Grand Prix

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How did Maldonado get to 11th? Last I saw of him in the standings, he was in 20th, about 55 seconds behind Hamilton. I know retirements helped with that but the rest of the positions came somewhere.
 
TyrrellRacing
Why ? It's such a political team. This Sauber car deserves much more credit than people are giving it.

Your right, the Sauber is a great car and before they lumped that Chelsea badge on it it was my second favourite car (Perez & Kobi are still in my top 5 drivers tho)

That doesn't change the fact tho if a drive at Ferrari came up you would take it.
 
Driver of the day: Alonso. Had to mix it up with a lot of people on his way to 3rd and deserves credit for keeping control of the car with 4 wheels on the grass after Vettel forced him off.

Hamilton had a pretty easy day and Perez, though fast, benefitted from a good strategy call by Sauber.
 
The sponsor on the car doesn't make the car any different. For the budget that Sauber has, that car is doing very well.
 
Your right, the Sauber is a great car and before they lumped that Chelsea badge on it it was my second favourite car (Perez & Kobi are still in my top 5 drivers tho)

The Chelsea badge ruined Sauber's appeal in my eyes. When you support a football team you support one, and when they use a major team's badge any Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man City fan see the badge and instantly hates it. No way I'd run the Sauber in F1 2012. :lol:
 
Not a bad race. Usual run down, which you can either read or ignore depending on how much you like me :p

Hamilton: Fairly faultless.

Perez: Great drive. Fantastic watching him hunt down those usually considered the top drivers.

Alonso: Damage limitation, as so often this year. Great first few laps. As long as he maximises points in every race, nobody else will really catch him this year. Lucky not to go off in a big way when squeezed by Vettel, though.

Others:

Massa: Solid drive, but ultimately lacked the pace of people like Alonso and Perez. There's still talent in there somewhere but whether it'll keep him in F1...

Raikkonen: Not the fastest today, but proved himself a hard but clean racer during several passing moves and while being passed himself. A win still has to be on the horizon.

Vettel: I was borderline on the Alonso thing, but the more I watch the footage - and compared to last year, where Fernando left a car's width - he really was being a little naughty. Fairly irrelevant anyway given his retirement, which was unlucky. Result does somewhat vindicate what I said after Spa, which is that it's foolish to say that Vettel will just run away with the rest of this year over the supposedly slower Alonso.

Button: Ditto on an unlucky retirement. Would have had 2nd probably, unless Perez would have snatched it in the last few laps.

Webber: Rare mistake, but not a spectacular drive anyway.

Maldonado: No contact with anyone!

Kobayashi: Needs to step up to match Perez on speed, but another consistent finish.
 
Honestly, I can't see that much of a difference between the incident with Vettel and Alonso if you compare 2011 to 2012.

Vettel left Alonso slightly less room this year than Alonso did last year, but the result is the same: Forced a car off the track. It was less than a car width of space left this year, just like last year. The only difference is that Alonso drove clean off the track. He could've easily stayed with 2 tyres on the track, just like Vettel last year.

I guess that the biggest reason Vettel received a penalty while Alonso didn't is because of the rule change this year.
 
Vettel left Alonso slightly less room this year than Alonso did last year

I can see where this is going, but that's not true - he left a fair chunk less room.

Last year, Alonso left a car's width plus a little bit more, and also moved further to the right (his right, not right on the TV feed) when he noticed Vettel was alongside. This year, Vettel left effectively half a car's width - when Alonso went off, their wheels were actually overlapping - and only moved over after Alonso was clean off the circuit.

There's the possibility that Vettel simply didn't know Alonso was there, but since the natural racing line out of that corner is somewhere in the middle of the circuit and Vettel was much wider, I strongly suspect he knew exactly where Alonso was.
 
m8h3r
The Chelsea badge ruined Sauber's appeal in my eyes. When you support a football team you support one, and when they use a major team's badge any Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man City fan see the badge and instantly hates it. No way I'd run the Sauber in F1 2012. :lol:

Exactly! Lol, as a Liverpool fan as soon as they put that Chelsea badge on it I thought Noooooooooooooo. Just can't bring myself to give them my full support anymore. Doesn't change the fact I still think it a great car, it's just not my second team anymore.

GTPorsche
The sponsor on the car doesn't make the car any different. For the budget that Sauber has, that car is doing very well.

See above.
 
The trophys are rubbish though..theres not many proper ones left now..the sponsers are taking over!!
 
I'm personally quite astonished at how well Raikkonen is doing... 3rd place now, and only 1 point off 2nd place...
 
Raikkonen is a threat for the title, which I didn't expect him to be this season. Of course, a win or two earlier this year and he'd probably be the one leading the championship.
 
Great job on Raikkonen in Monza, salvaging a strong points finish in a slightly uncompetitive car (due to Renault power not very effective in long straights)

But he still needs to clinch an additional win or two + very strong consistent races to steal the lead from Alonso. (Good chances of wins in technical/tight tracks like Suzuka and Singapore, where the Lotus' tends to be stronger at)

P.S Santander sponsored races' trophy designing creativity +9999999
 
The Chelsea badge ruined Sauber's appeal in my eyes. When you support a football team you support one, and when they use a major team's badge any Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man City fan see the badge and instantly hates it. No way I'd run the Sauber in F1 2012. :lol:

:lol: So true, I'm a Chelsea fan but plastering the teams logo on the side of the car isn't going to make me want to support your Formula 1 team any more. I think the reason they did it was because they "are both committed to young talent". Really stupid reason, every major team/football club has a driver/player development programme.

I'm personally quite astonished at how well Raikkonen is doing... 3rd place now, and only 1 point off 2nd place...

Same, I suppose that's what consistently finishing in the top 5 gets you. Lotus and Raikkonen have surprised me greatly this year, I expected them to be well behind Schumacher.
 
I can see where this is going, but that's not true - he left a fair chunk less room.

Last year, Alonso left a car's width plus a little bit more, and also moved further to the right (his right, not right on the TV feed) when he noticed Vettel was alongside. This year, Vettel left effectively half a car's width - when Alonso went off, their wheels were actually overlapping - and only moved over after Alonso was clean off the circuit.

There's the possibility that Vettel simply didn't know Alonso was there, but since the natural racing line out of that corner is somewhere in the middle of the circuit and Vettel was much wider, I strongly suspect he knew exactly where Alonso was.

Quite, whilst it was tight last year, it was enough. Vettel just went too far, be it intentional or not it's still his responsibility to drive in a sensible manner and we could so easily have seen interlocking wheels there and a horrendous accident.

Interesting race, a shame about Button, I don't think he's a contender for the title but constructors points and taking some off Alonso would be nice.

If McLaren can keep this pace up (and I think they had plenty in the bag the last two races) then I think the title is between Alonso and Hamilton, however I don't think Hamilton can afford a DNF because Alonso will be consistent, even if he's not winning all the time.

Great drive from Perez, he knows how to make people notice him and as mentioned, very professional driving from Raikkonen in the various battles he had today.
 
To be honest, Alonso's attempt was a rather silly one, as many people run very wide on that exit, so if he'd gotten ahead of Vettel there, he could have gotten a rear full of Red Bull as Vettel understeered on the way out. But the incident happened too early in the corner for Vettel to claim that this was precisely what happened. :sly:

In fact, my first reaction to the incident before I saw the replay was "Jedi mind trick." I wouldn't put it past Alonso to successfully pull one off. See Schumacher, Monaco, two seasons ago. Still, the replay was pretty convincing.

Perez was the real spoiler here. Without him in that mix, Alonso's point lead would have been bigger. And strangely, even with the drive through, Vettel, in that supposedly slow RBR, would have been around fifth or sixth if he hadn't retired. Would have been a far more interesting result that way.
 
To be honest, Alonso's attempt was a rather silly one, as many people run very wide on that exit, so if he'd gotten ahead of Vettel there, he could have gotten a rear full of Red Bull as Vettel understeered on the way out. But the incident happened too early in the corner for Vettel to claim that this was precisely what happened. :sly:

In fact, my first reaction to the incident before I saw the replay was "Jedi mind trick." I wouldn't put it past Alonso to successfully pull one off. See Schumacher, Monaco, two seasons ago. Still, the replay was pretty convincing.

Perez was the real spoiler here. Without him in that mix, Alonso's point lead would have been bigger. And strangely, even with the drive through, Vettel, in that supposedly slow RBR, would have been around fifth or sixth if he hadn't retired. Would have been a far more interesting result that way.

Shame we didn't get to see what Jenson could have done, he would have had a good battle with Perez or he may have came back at Hamilton in the final laps like he has done in the past.
 
Renault just cost Sebastian Vettel the World Championship. First Valencia, then Monza. I'm noticing the trend of Renault alternator failures at Fernando Alonso home tracks. Valencia in Spain and Monza in Ferrari land...Parc Ferme chicanery? Conspiracy I say! lololol.
 
:lol: So true, I'm a Chelsea fan but plastering the teams logo on the side of the car isn't going to make me want to support your Formula 1 team any more. I think the reason they did it was because they "are both committed to young talent". Really stupid reason, every major team/football club has a driver/player development programme.



Same, I suppose that's what consistently finishing in the top 5 gets you. Lotus and Raikkonen have surprised me greatly this year, I expected them to be well behind Schumacher.

i think it probably has more to do with one speed loving russian billionaire
 
Maldonado: No contact with anyone!

That's quite a merit for him. :lol:

Great race, great strategy from Sauber and amazing consistency from Perez and a flawless performance by Hamilton.

Vettel's move on Alonso was really slightly aggressive, but the spaniard was risking quite a lot to attempt the move at the parabolica.

The drive through was probably deserved but that's what happens when two extremely competitive champions share the same piece of tarmac. Contact is kinda expected.
 
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