2013 Formula 1 Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix

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I missed the qualifying. I know the results, but did I miss anything exciting?
 
I missed the qualifying. I know the results, but did I miss anything exciting?

Not really, all pretty standard stuff.
 
Thought as much. It seemed quiet enough here.
 
Ted Kravitz in practice said he had been practicing this technique to help him save fuel so he may have been slightly underfuelled for his quali lap.
Saving fuel might be another positive but I doubt he was doing that to save fuel in qualifying. I think main thing is look after the tyres over the lap, no lock-ups by Nico on his lap and I think this technique helped that and also not any major overheating tyre oversteery moments in lap too.
 
What was interesting to see is the late downshifts on pole lap. I have used this technique on rFactor before to make braking easier. Things I think it will help in real life with current F1 regulations is less chance of lock-up and tyres overheating over the lap which also will help do a faster lap but also help at start of race if starting on same set of tyres as it means less degradation. Also it will help gearbox and engine related parts as less stress is probably put on them parts using such technique.
I did notice him and one of the Force Indias doing that.

To guys that are attending the grand prix, is the Williams car too loud or is it just me?

I hope Alonso doesn't jump Rosberg in the first lap and Vettel doesn't get one of those super pitstops that seem to put him ahead of everyone.

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That's taken out of context. What he meant is "It's the government's fault for letting them do what they do" he's not exactly saying anything negative about the government or the country.
 
Just watched the quali replay on BBC1...very impressive laps from Rosberg and the Force Indias, will be taping the race tomorrow, watching football instead and will watch the race tomorrow night...
 
Hope Nico can at least stay on the podium tomorrow , he surely deserves it .

Will be interesting to see how far Lewis, Kimi and Mark can make it , Grosjean too.

Should be a good race to see how the tires are working for everyone .
 
Force India is impressive once again. Might be as fast as the Ferrari, imagine if they had better drivers.

Impressed by Pic once again. VdG seemed pretty happy with his lap and yet Pic beat him by 1.1 seconds. That's an obscene gap in modern F1.
 
Charles had the new parts and probably the quicker driver of the two also which explains the gap.

Anyway, I was looking at GP2 and noticed that they are not much slower than the slowest cars in F1. If the cars next year are much slower then step up from GP2 to F1 might be very small regarding speed.
 
Force India is impressive once again. Might be as fast as the Ferrari, imagine if they had better drivers.

Yes, the FI drivers are definitely to blame for Force India's under performance relative to the cars true ability. This can be supported by their failings at other teams where they were embarrassed by their team mates. The fact that they don't crash much is proof that they are not real racers and are just going along for the ride. Clearly with Force India's massive budget they should have better drivers. 👍
 
Charles had the new parts and probably the quicker driver of the two also which explains the gap.

Anyway, I was looking at GP2 and noticed that they are not much slower than the slowest cars in F1. If the cars next year are much slower then step up from GP2 to F1 might be very small regarding speed.
Don't forget F1 cars are rev and pirelli limited.


Yes, the FI drivers are definitely to blame for Force India's under performance relative to the cars true ability. This can be supported by their failings at other teams where they were embarrassed by their team mates. The fact that they don't crash much is proof that they are not real racers and are just going along for the ride. Clearly with Force India's massive budget they should have better drivers. 👍
I was thinking the same last year. I think if, let's say Mercedes had swapped drivers with Force India last year we'd see Nico and Michael consistently fighting for big points in every race. Not taking anything away from Hulkenberg but the car seems faster than what the results are showing.
 
Don't forget F1 cars are rev and pirelli limited.



I was thinking the same last year. I think if, let's say Mercedes had swapped drivers with Force India last year we'd see Nico and Michael consistently fighting for big points in every race. Not taking anything away from Hulkenberg but the car seems faster than what the results are showing.
GP2 has lower revs and is also Pirelli limited.

By the way I think TyrrellRacing was being sarcastic.
 
Just a tad...
 
It's amazing how blatent, in your face sarcasm can still fly over a head on the internet. Well, if said internet is filled with Sheldon Cooper's I guess.
 
GP2 has lower revs and is also Pirelli limited.
Lower revs but they're not limited just for the sake of reliability, are they? F1 cars are held back. Even in qualifying they seem to sacrifice a bit of performance with the setup not to hurt their race too much.

As for pirelli, I don't watch GP2 as much as I'd like to so I don't know how much it affects them but I doubt they're holding back the cars as much as they're holding back F1's. Ffs they make changes to the car all year just to suit the damn tyres.


It's amazing how blatent, in your face sarcasm can still fly over a head on the internet. Well, if said internet is filled with Sheldon Cooper's I guess.
Oh I got it but I actually believe in what I said. Yes they have a limited budget and can't afford better drivers but the car WAS faster than what the results say. So was the Sauber, by the way.
 
Oh I got it but I actually believe in what I said. Yes they have a limited budget and can't afford better drivers but the car WAS faster than what the results say. So was the Sauber, by the way.

You've driven them have you? Adrian Sutil is a very highly rated driver and always has been. Di Resta is similarly no slouch, the fact their times are very similar shows that. Nico is also highly rated so I really don't know how you can come to that conclusion.
 
Oh I got it but I actually believe in what I said. Yes they have a limited budget and can't afford better drivers but the car WAS faster than what the results say. So was the Sauber, by the way.

How exactly can you prove this without any reference point? If both drivers for the team "aren't good enough" then who are you comparing them to?
 
Lower revs but they're not limited just for the sake of reliability, are they? F1 cars are held back. Even in qualifying they seem to sacrifice a bit of performance with the setup not to hurt their race too much.

As for pirelli, I don't watch GP2 as much as I'd like to so I don't know how much it affects them but I doubt they're holding back the cars as much as they're holding back F1's. Ffs they make changes to the car all year just to suit the damn tyres.
They probably put the 10,000 rev limit in GP2 for reliability reasons too. I don't really watch GP2 but I read that they save tyres even in the Sprint races. I don't think tyres hold back too much on a single qualifying lap for both but for race, I would think it holds back F1 a lot more than GP2 though.

Will be interesting to see speed difference in 2014, will be quite embarrassing for F1 if top teams with huge budgets have only slight advantage over a GP2 car and if the lower budget F1 teams are slower than GP2 cars.
 
Damn gearbox penalties.

Can we deduct points from the team or something? Just sick of these things, even way back when Kimi used to pick them up regularly for McLaren.

Would be so sad if Mercedes go through the data and maybe have to change for Rosberg.
 
Damn gearbox penalties.

Can we deduct points from the team or something? Just sick of these things, even way back when Kimi used to pick them up regularly for McLaren.

Would be so sad if Mercedes go through the data and maybe have to change for Rosberg.

It's ridiculous, even when I see a driver that I don't like get a gearbox penalty it's disappointing, it just spoils the result for seemingly no reason.
 
Gearboxes have to last 4 races as a form of cost cutting.

Same reason why they are limited on engines.

If they got rid of these rules then you could likely say good bye to Marussia and Caterham.
 
You've driven them have you? Adrian Sutil is a very highly rated driver and always has been. Di Resta is similarly no slouch, the fact their times are very similar shows that. Nico is also highly rated so I really don't know how you can come to that conclusion.
..Sutil is one of my favourite drivers. You guys realize I'm talking about 2012 not 2013, right? You can go back to old GP threads and read my posts about him. As for reference points:
How exactly can you prove this without any reference point? If both drivers for the team "aren't good enough" then who are you comparing them to?
You don't always need a reference point. No one had a reference point when they said Lotus is too fast 2012 at the beginning of the season and that it's going to beat Mercedes.

You can see the cars' potential in some races. Now, I know it's different track to track but the inconsistency in results were too high to be just the car's fault but maybe I'm wrong.

Gearboxes have to last 4 races as a form of cost cutting.

Same reason why they are limited on engines.

If they got rid of these rules then you could likely say good bye to Marussia and Caterham.
They will not be missed. The only argument they have is being a platform for young drivers. In reality, they're still too poor to stay at F1 without sponsors and without pay drivers there won't be enough so what platform?

I'd rather give the big teams more gearboxes and let the engines rev higher than see pay drivers running slow cars that add little to nothing in the race.
 
Gearboxes have to last 4 races as a form of cost cutting.

Same reason why they are limited on engines.

If they got rid of these rules then you could likely say good bye to Marussia and Caterham.

Is it not 5 races?

4 gearboxes must last over 19 races but engines have 8. I don't think having a bit more allowance would see teams drop out or another solution to have team points dropped. What do they cost, around 100k each?

I think all the actions and loads a gearbox takes and driver errors mean its very difficult to make it last. Many years have past and teams haven't sorted it, I'm sure they would love to be as reliable as engines built under the current regs.

I'm not asking for carte blanche, 8 would be fine. it's clear to me the current rule is a tad extreme and will aside from a freak year will have many drivers suffering regularly.

I guess another view it drops down a faster car/bigger team, maybe even creates more overtaking but for me it ruins the spectacle. Many a battle at the sharp end has been spoilt by these rules going back many years now.
 
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Yes, the FI drivers are definitely to blame for Force India's under performance relative to the cars true ability. This can be supported by their failings at other teams where they were embarrassed by their team mates. The fact that they don't crash much is proof that they are not real racers and are just going along for the ride. Clearly with Force India's massive budget they should have better drivers. 👍
They weren't embarrassed, but Sutil was beaten by over-the-hill Fisichella (fresh off being beaten by Kova, not exactly a powerhouse either) and Di Resta was comfortably beaten by Hulkenberg. Neither has beaten a teammate in F1 who deserved to be there. The best mark for either is Liuzzi...

And I know it's not realistic for FI to contract established star drivers like Rosberg or Hamilton, no, but they could have had Hulk and Bianchi in the car. They've got a great car this season, I can't help wonder where they would be with faster drivers.
 
I believe engine revs are limited in F1 for safety as speed increased the cars would not have been able to be safe in higher speed collisions and could have led to a serious injury or death so that's why they reduced revs I thought?
 
Yes, the FI drivers are definitely to blame for Force India's under performance relative to the cars true ability. This can be supported by their failings at other teams where they were embarrassed by their team mates. The fact that they don't crash much is proof that they are not real racers and are just going along for the ride. Clearly with Force India's massive budget they should have better drivers. 👍

I don't think the FI is that good of a car, or even that their drivers are poor. Which FI driver left the team and floundered elsewhere? Luizzi made minced meat of Karthikeyan, Hulkenberg is clearly faster than Gutierrez, Fisichella was thrown into a car that was hell to drive, and that he wasn't used to, and against Raikkonen.

Sutil is and has always been a brilliant driver, that guy who has been far too unlucky for years now in getting a seat in a top team, di Resta is too inconsistently fast to ever deserve the top team drive he expects to be given to him, but is still ok.

Why would you make such an assumption, because they don't crash much? Alonso doesn't crash much, I guess he's not a real racer either, right?
 
What time is the race on? (any US time)
 
The Formula1.com site has a "Convert to My Time" function that will tell you.
 
Ah, I only watch the races don't keep up with the "between the races" stuff.

Edit: 5am. Maybe I'll skip this one. :p
 
So hyped up for this race.

Here's a nice little graphic showing how Nico's done here in the past:
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Also, here's something I found really interesting. All types of concepts and technologies have been tried and tested in F1 over the years, with most of them ending up as novelties that are quickly discarded due to development costs, or sheer impracticability.

In 2002, Williams, along with help from BMW, developed a heads-up display for helmet visors. Ralf Schumacher was the first driver to use it.

Can't find an exact reason as to why it wasn't used further, but one can only guess that the HUD was more obstructive than they thought it would be. I wouldn't feel comfortable with having something blinking inside my visor. Would've been cool if it caught on though. A little bit of fighter piloting creeping into F1's always cool.

http://www.f1network.net/main/s107/st10359.htm

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bmw-head-up-display-press-conference/
 
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