2013 NASCAR Thread

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Martin on pole in Phoenix.
Not a big surprise there. Strange that there's no Fords in the Top 10, but that's not really indicative of anything yet. Also, a certain driver Q'ed exactly where I thought they would, but NASCAR.com calls it a disappointment. More like reality check.
 
Danica is lucky more cars didn't show up to attempt to qualify. Not being in one of the fastest 36 cars, she got in based on owner's points from last season. Stewart bought someone's points from last season to use for her team, which gave her 42nd place in owner's points rankings. Of the cars that got in on owner's points instead of speed (37th through 43rd place qualifiers), she had the 2nd lowest ranking, trailing only Scott Riggs (56th in last season's owner's points).

Had two more drivers attempted to make the race that could bring an owner's points ranking better than 42nd place from last season, she wouldn't have even qualified for the race in Phoenix. Luckily for her, only 43 teams made the trip out west, so she was guaranteed a starting spot based on supply and demand alone.

Since they use last year's final points standings for the first five races of this season, it's entirely possible she could miss one of the next three races if enough cars come out to qualify, and she drives this slowly again (outside the top 36 in speed alone).

After the first five races, when they start setting the 37th through 43rd starting spots based on this year's owner's points, it's going to be a lot harder for her to miss a race, since she got a lot of points at Daytona compared to most other ~30-35th place teams.
 
What is great about that story is the header pictures. They chose one that has no camera in it what so ever.
 
Ganon83
So if McDowell had come out along with the Woods, she'd probably be gone?

Yup more than likely, which cracks me up. Another forum I read had a fan who only follows Danica thinking she is amazing talent wise and made a joke about Cassill in crappy ride but look who qualified better in some crap equipment too.

Maybe Kurt will take her out!
 
Ganon83
So if McDowell had come out along with the Woods, she'd probably be gone?

Even better, picture this...

Trevor Bayne comes to Phoenix, qualifying in the top 36 fastest cars, pushing Josh Wise (36th fastest) out of the top 36 fastest qualifiers. Josh Wise is carrying 40th place in last season's owner's points, so Scott Riggs (56th in 2012 owner's points) goes home.

Terry Labonte/Bill Elliott shows up, posts a terrible lap, but uses a past champion's provisional to claim the 43rd starting position. Danica, with the lowest rank (42nd) in 2012 owner's points of the remaining drivers not in the top 36 fastest qualifiers, goes home.

It was that close to happening already.
 
Welb, the Woods will be at Vegas next week, and I think they move to current year points this year after Bristol- if it's going to happen it's going to be next week.
 
Out of all of the 43 cars that qualified this week, only three have worse rankings in 2012 owner's points than Danica's 42nd position:

Scott Speed (43)
Mike Bliss (45)
Scott Riggs (56)

If those guys can get locked in with a top 36 qualifying time, she's in real trouble in a deeper field.
 
Assuming Riggs isn't back or somebody pulls a McDowell, right now we're on track for 44 cars next weekend. If Bliss and/or Speed make it on time Danica is in a lot of trouble.
However the PCP will probably not be used unless a new team comes out of the wood works suddenly. Elliott is more or less retired and Labonte isn't in the 32 next weekend.
 
That's a fair point, but it's the price you pay, when 'playoffs' can't be separated into 'brackets' like other sports can. No ones going to watch a 10 car race, no one wants to watch a bunch of 1 v 1 races either. No one will watch the end of a season, if a front runner has too big of a points lead.

Basically, NASCAR has already conceded that their season is too long. They knew that by the 26th race, people were losing interest. So they created the chase, to shake things up, and start fresh, and make it interesting as if the season was re-beginning. Instead they should have just shortened the season.

On the other hand, it's a business decision. How many viewers do you think NASCAR loses because of length? Now how many would they gain if they shortened it? If they can't gain more viewers than they lose by dropping 10 races, it doesn't financially compute.



So, 5.8M per race.
If NASCAR cuts 10 races, they lose 58M 'views'. (Non unique)
That leaves 26 races, to cover that loss. 58/26=2.23
Meaning, that NASCAR would have to hope they gain 2.23 million new viewers PER RACE, to acquire the same amount of total views in their existing 36 race season.

That's not even accounting for the loss of 300 hours of advertising from the 10 races cut, which would have to be covered by an increase in per-ad-price during the 26 season race, which they couldn't do, until viewership increased enough, to justify the increased cost per add.

Still, not accounting for the contracts they have between Fox/TNT/Speed/??? to broadcast the shows, and the money they make from them.

Tl:dr
From a business standpoint, NASCAR doesn't care about the viewers, and would make more money, with less viewers over more races, than versa visa.

Why don't some people want to watch nascar on tv anymore?
 
How much talent did it take to qualify on pole position at Daytona again?

Honestly not a ton, I mean she did do it but it's always just hold it correct and pray. There is a Danica fan on another forum I read (as I already stayed) and his reason for her qualifying so bad was because the rear of her car won't settle down in the corners which we all know is BS and she just isn't fast. This same conversation is in light of Landon doing better in a crap car.
 
Danica is lucky more cars didn't show up to attempt to qualify. Not being in one of the fastest 36 cars, she got in based on owner's points from last season. Stewart bought someone's points from last season to use for her team, which gave her 42nd place in owner's points rankings. Of the cars that got in on owner's points instead of speed (37th through 43rd place qualifiers), she had the 2nd lowest ranking, trailing only Scott Riggs (56th in last season's owner's points).

Had two more drivers attempted to make the race that could bring an owner's points ranking better than 42nd place from last season, she wouldn't have even qualified for the race in Phoenix. Luckily for her, only 43 teams made the trip out west, so she was guaranteed a starting spot based on supply and demand alone.

Since they use last year's final points standings for the first five races of this season, it's entirely possible she could miss one of the next three races if enough cars come out to qualify, and she drives this slowly again (outside the top 36 in speed alone).

After the first five races, when they start setting the 37th through 43rd starting spots based on this year's owner's points, it's going to be a lot harder for her to miss a race, since she got a lot of points at Daytona compared to most other ~30-35th place teams.

My thinking here is that if more cars would have shown up she would have pushed the car a little harder to get more speed. What she did was get into the race without tearing up the car.
 
Why don't some people want to watch nascar on tv anymore?

Unfortunately, I'm one of those. The problem I have is that I have been to race weekends(and loved it), as well as going through a driving experience(Team Texas at TMS, and it was awesome).

Other people may be the number of commercials, or the lack of wrecks(they know who they are), or just a lack of total interest to watch the first 80% of a race. Speculation, of course, I have no way of knowing if this is true.
 
It could possibly be the lack of race coverage while the actual race is happening. I'm having a hard time coming up with any other sport that gives it's announcers this much face time.
 
Other people may be the number of commercials

It could possibly be the lack of race coverage while the actual race is happening. I'm having a hard time coming up with any other sport that gives it's announcers this much face time.

These two things are the main components as to why I really don't watch much anymore and when I do it's not something I refuse to miss. It gets annoying when there is a lead change during commercial, than when they come back they take 5 laps to show the replay. Than there are the driver interviews, there is no reason to ask a driver that blew an engine what happened, usually the giant cloud of smoke behind the car speaks for itself.

This leads me to a question for outside-the-U.S. members, do channels like Eurosport(only channel I know that has a good amount of racing) cut away to show the driver during an interview or do they just have a little icon saying who is being interviewed like F1 broadcasts have?
 
On Premier sports we pretty much see and hear the same as you, the only difference is we continue to get ride along views (with no sound) while you guys are watching commercials.
 
Can someone find me that picture of Keselowski giving a mean tough guy pose in his 2013 uniform??? I know it was posted a few pages back but I cant find it!
 
Denny Hamlin had to change motors, so he will be making his start in the back tomorrow.
 
Danica is lucky more cars didn't show up to attempt to qualify. Not being in one of the fastest 36 cars, she got in based on owner's points from last season. Stewart bought someone's points from last season to use for her team, which gave her 42nd place in owner's points rankings. Of the cars that got in on owner's points instead of speed (37th through 43rd place qualifiers), she had the 2nd lowest ranking, trailing only Scott Riggs (56th in last season's owner's points).

Had two more drivers attempted to make the race that could bring an owner's points ranking better than 42nd place from last season, she wouldn't have even qualified for the race in Phoenix. Luckily for her, only 43 teams made the trip out west, so she was guaranteed a starting spot based on supply and demand alone.

Since they use last year's final points standings for the first five races of this season, it's entirely possible she could miss one of the next three races if enough cars come out to qualify, and she drives this slowly again (outside the top 36 in speed alone).

After the first five races, when they start setting the 37th through 43rd starting spots based on this year's owner's points, it's going to be a lot harder for her to miss a race, since she got a lot of points at Daytona compared to most other ~30-35th place teams.

Even one race missed could be a complete shame for SHR... I wonder if there are any other drivers out there with valuable sponsors who could replace her in the possible event that she gets sacked mid-season...
 
Even one race missed could be a complete shame for SHR... I wonder if there are any other drivers out there with valuable sponsors who could replace her in the possible event that she gets sacked mid-season...

Hell would freeze over, thaw, and freeze again before that happens. She may not be a great/good/decent driver, but she, like Jr. and Michael Jordan, is a marketing dream. Why? I don't know, I try not to dive into the psychie of the average moron too often.
 
Yes, Brad just jumped up to 3rd fastest in final practice! The legacy of the ford blue deuce is kicking in ;)
 
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