2013 Petronas Malaysian Grand Prix

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Wardez
and Perez's pit on lap 55, WTF!
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It made sense. The tires were falling apart (just got passed by Hulkenburg), and the gap to the next car was great enough that it was more than safe enough to pit for safety reasons and mainatin the same position.
 
But they didn't take it into their own hands. Vettel took it into his hands.
 
Wow I never saw how pissed Horner and Newey were during the 2010 wreck. No wonder they wanted Vettel to not act stupid and follow orders. I remember the epic crash, but I was too busy laughing to actually see Horner and Newey react.

EDIT: Brawn claims the order was due to Nico being short on fuel too...not a team order.
 
SkengD
Vettel such a cucumber
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Yeah haha Webber has obeyed team orders before but when Seb has to he doesnt. Seb showing how 3 championships helped him mature...
 
Strawman Andy
Yeah haha Webber has obeyed team orders before but when Seb has to he doesnt. Seb showing how 3 championships helped him mature...
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yeah, but don't we hate team orders?

Small_Fryz
the almighty Senna would have passed Webber too.
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Exactly. I know Webber has had to play second fiddle to Vettel, since as long as i can remember, but still, it is racing in the end.
 
Toto also says it was a fuel issue that also had to hold Nico back. So...
 
PAWEL17
yeah, but don't we hate team orders?



Exactly. I know Webber has had to play second fiddle to Vettel, since as long as i can remember, but still, it is racing in the end.
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We do, but when you follow them for the last 3 years, you would expect your whiny little teammate to follow them as well.
 
I guess Rosberg just decided to be the 2nd driver of the Team... this decision of let Lewis take his place (the points would be the same so the "team" argument doesn't exist) will leave marks.

If mercedes let him pass we don't know if he would catch RBs.

ps: Pit stop of webber: 2.6 Pit of Vettel: 3.2 ... If the time was the same Vettel would go out of the pit in front of Webber.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
EDIT: Brawn claims the order was due to Nico being short on fuel too...not a team order.
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Without all the data they have, we may never know, but from what I've heard it seems all the guys up front were told to back off, either to conserve fuel, tires, or both. Either way, for the team it's also bad for their drivers to duel each other because it's harder on fuel, harder on tires, and we've seen it wreck both cars.

Again, asking Nico to hold position wasn't fair to him, but there was always a very good chance that fighting for third could have used up his fuel and/or his tires or even resulted in a crash.
 
PAWEL17
yeah, but don't we hate team orders?
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I do but I understand why its used. Plus it wasnt a fair fight, Webber was saving, Vettel was pushing probably 100%. If Webber was to told to race, I would have no.compliants. Its just Webber obeys Red Bull, it seems Vettel doesnt have to in his mind...makes all Webbers previous team orders seem pointless, and pointless in the future: breaks down trust between the team.

Müle
We do, but when you follow them for the last 3 years, you would expect your whiny little teammate to follow them as well.
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This basically.
 
Müle;8309055
Does anyone honestly still like Vettel after this?

If so, why?
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He has a strong drive to win races, Senna also had a extremely strong will to win. Both are/where willing to go to lengths to achieve their goal.

What I like about Vettel is his fighting spirit, he wants to win and goes after it. His Interviews in german are far from arrogant as many make them seem to be.

That said I also think its wrong to go after a team ordering. Mark deserved the win this race and the fault was at the team command center for braking his pace through orders. They should have let him run free and be able to fight for his position. Team mates will naturally avoid crashing each other off track if both are fighting on same terms. Having Mark lose the position to Vettel is in my opinion entirely RBR's fault, not Vettels.

F1 fan
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As Small Fryz said (and I have said many times in the past) Far too many people here complain when a driver they don't like does something and applaud another for doing the same thing.

It's pathetic guys.
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I think judging people with which one has no interaction and based on partly acquirable information is pathetic in general. I surely have F1 drivers/celebrities which I dislike as well, but raging about it on public platforms is far from mature.
 
Bye Ya
Politics.
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Yeah I think so too a bit, but on the other hand it isn't hard to believe that Nico could have been low on fuel, and letting him chase down RBRs just to come up short...would have been sad. I like both Lewis and Nico, and I think Merc didn't want to lose points again.
 
Strawman Andy
Yeah haha Webber has obeyed team orders before but when Seb has to he doesnt. Seb showing how 3 championships helped him mature...
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Müle;8309157
We do, but when you follow them for the last 3 years, you would expect your whiny little teammate to follow them as well.
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Guys, as has already been said, Webber has ignored team orders in the past. Get your facts right.
 
Exciting, but way, way too risky of an overtake. He could've taken himself out AND Webber. Turkey in 2010 anyone?

Also, I guess a lot of you've forgotten about Silverstone in 2011. Webber was told to "maintain the gap", but he ignored the instructions and tried to overtake anyway, but wasn't successful in doing so. And as far as I can remember, most people disliked Red Bull for using team orders and applauded Webber for ignoring them...

This is pretty much the same scenario, except that Vettel was successful in his overtake attempt and it's Vettel's fault? If it was the other way around, I'm sure everyone would've applauded Webber for ignoring team orders again... Just pointing out the double standards, nothing else.
prisonermonkeys
Well, that was a total waste of time. An interesting strategy battle was ruined by unnecessary team orders in one team, and a spoiled brat in another who can't follow instructions.
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And if the "spoiled brat" followed instructions we would have two "interesting" strategy battles ruined by unnecessary team orders. Okay, I suppose that would be better...

Prediction for China: A Mercedes will win. They always go well there. I was actually surprised how quick they were.
 
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Tired Tyres
He may not have been speaking the whole truth there...
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That's the point of the "so..."

I think it is very possible the team got together quickly and was told how to conduct themsevels in front of cameras...I didn't say it because of the people who like to use the tinfoil hat meme.

I don't want to be a victim of foilhat:dopey:
 
I'm perplexed on this. As a race fan, I loathe team orders, and if everyone obeyed them today, we'd be complaining about how teams dictate whether we'll see racing, which is the whole point of watching in the first place. On the other hand, it's pretty low when one teammate plays ball, and the other uses that to their advantage. All around, it's a big mess, but I am enjoying the drama. :lol:
 
I think a lot of people are forgetting that Mark was following a team order as well. He was told to slow down and use a leaner engine map (same order Lewis and Nico had), which is the only reason how Vettel got past him in the first place, and why Vettel deserves zero respect for this win.
 
F1 fan
Guys, as has already been said, Webber has ignored team orders in the past. Get your facts right.
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Not sure - he dont think Webber has even passed under team orders. Sure in Silverstone, he pushed but he didnt pass or turn his engine up.

Müle
I think a lot of people are forgetting that Mark was following a team order as well. He was told to slow down and use a leaner engine map (same order Lewis and Nico had), which is the only reason how Vettel got past him in the first place, and why Vettel deserves zero respect for this win.
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It's how he closed the gap so quickly, running max power and pushing really hard. I agree, lost more respect for Vettel. You know he has apologized for dis-obeying the team and his team mate, shows he knew what he was doing. What a child.
 
Was this real or fake?

Want a Full HD one as a wallpaper pic.
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Strawman Andy
Not sure - he dont think Webber has even passed under team orders. Sure in Silverstone, he pushed but he didnt pass or turn his engine up.


It's how he closed the gap so quickly, running max power and pushing really hard.
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Pass or not, the intentions are the same.

Grayfox
Was this real or fake?
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It's fake.
 
F1 fan
Pass or not, the intentions are the same.
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True but he backed off towards the end, and didnt pass him. Webber showing he would push, but wouldnt put Vettel out.

Interviewer: Seb has said sorry, do you accept that?
Webber: ....err

Guessing thats a no.:lol:
 
Strawman Andy
True but he backed off towards the end, and didnt pass him. Webber showing he would push, but wouldnt put Vettel out.

Interviewer: Seb has said sorry, do you accept that?
Webber: ....err

Guessing thats a no.:lol:
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To me, that sums up the whole race.
 
We will see if this was a bad or good decision from vettel in the end of the championship.

2012 Vettel won by 2 points... and we all know that vettel is faster. I know at least...
 
You could also argue that the orders to go lean and preserve tyres for RBR were unnecessary since it's quite apparent that Vettel managed to go to the end with good pace even though he didn't follow them.
 
outlaw4rc
I'm perplexed on this. As a race fan, I loathe team orders, and if everyone obeyed them today, we'd be complaining about how teams dictate whether we'll see racing, which is the whole point of watching in the first place. On the other hand, it's pretty low when one teammate plays ball, and the other uses that to their advantage. All around, it's a big mess, but I am enjoying the drama. :lol:
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About Vettel, I have the same mixed feelings. I admire his spirit and willingness to race, but if what Webber says is true, it wasn't a fair fight. I sympathize with Webber, Nico and Hamilton completely. IMO the only "bad guys" here are Red Bull and Mercedes, not the drivers.

The Red Bull situation reminds me of Pironi-Villeneuve at Imola. Thirty years later, things aren't all that different in F1.
 
Interesting but not surprising comments from Mark Webber in that post-race interview... he seemed to be suggesting that he might quit Red Bull...
 
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