2013 Petronas Malaysian Grand Prix

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Massa is a great driver. I don't see the point of making such noise when he is faster than Alonso.

It's good to hear that I'm not the only one who thinks that.

EDIT: Interesting... Apparently Vettel used the same set of mediums in Q1 and Q2. He will have a lot of new tyres for tomorrow, but I doubt it's a big advantage because everyone have a lot of new tyres for tomorrow because of the rain and, well, the Red Bull just eat the tyres more than anyone else. I'm starting to wonder if the Red Bull simply have too much downforce for the tyres...
 
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I'm really hoping for a Massa win tomorrow. He needs this, and it'd be awesome to see both Ferraris in the running for the WDC title again 👍
 
I think Ferrari won't tell Massa to let Alonso pass him... not at this point. If Massa could win tomorrow by a good margin for his teammate maybe Ferrari will put him side by side inside the team... and then the pressure will be in Alonsos's shoulders ^^

Mercedes and McLaren have clearly a 1st and a 2nd driver...Ferrari used to work that way either but if Massa continues with this pace, things can get ugly for Alonso. lol
 
I think Ferrari won't tell Massa to let Alonso pass him... not at this point. If Massa could win tomorrow by a good margin for his teammate maybe Ferrari will put him side by side inside the team... and then the pressure will be in Alonsos's shoulders ^^

Mercedes and McLaren have clearly a 1st and a 2nd driver...Ferrari used to work that way either but if Massa continues with this pace, things can get ugly for Alonso. lol

Ferrari will do exactly like in Australia, screw Massa over to let Alonso pass if they have to. I have no doubt at all. You seems to think that suddently Ferrari is gonna change the way they are working, I dont.

Since when Mclaren have a 1st and 2nd driver ? They dont have until the point where the championship is done for one of there driver. Mercedes clearly state that they dont have a 1st driver neither when they hired Hamilton. I remember asking the question here and people point me to article where mercedes denied that Hamilton was first. And if you look at how it went Rosberg was faster than Hamilton on the dry. Then Hamilton did a good lap on the wet and Rosberg couldnt match it.
 
Alonso has to be favourite from that position with their race pace, if it's dry. If it's wet anyone could take it.

Do you see what we mean by vettel's luck now? again...

Last week he was lucky that quali got suspended in the wet and ran in the dry. Make your mind up people.
 
Not mercedes. I meant Lotus. My bad...
I think McLaren has nr1 and nr2 this year though. But it's my oppinion.

I think that IF Massa continues to be faster, Ferrari can change something. I didn't say that that already happened.
 
I'm really hoping for a Massa win tomorrow. He needs this, and it'd be awesome to see both Ferraris in the running for the WDC title again 👍

Me too, I'm not really a fan of Ferrari, but I really like Massa.
 
The start will be interesting , I would be surprised to see Vettel still in front after turn 1 with those fast starting red cars
 
Mercedes and McLaren have clearly a 1st and a 2nd driver...Ferrari used to work that way either but if Massa continues with this pace, things can get ugly for Alonso. lol

No, they don't.
Ferrari will do exactly like in Australia, screw Massa over to let Alonso pass if they have to. I have no doubt at all. You seems to think that suddently Ferrari is gonna change the way they are working, I dont.

They didn't screw over Massa. They pitted Alonso way, way earlier than planned (4 laps or so, I think) so he could jump Massa, Vettel and Sutil. It was simply a clever strategic decision on the fly, either by the team or Alonso.
 
No, they don't.


They didn't screw over Massa. They pitted Alonso way, way earlier than planned (4 laps or so, I think) so he could jump Massa, Vettel and Sutil. It was simply a clever strategic decision on the fly, either by the team or Alonso.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/106129

Felipe Massa said it was a strategic gamble from Fernando Alonso that swapped the order of the Ferraris in the Australian Grand Prix, rather than any team favouritism.

Massa had outqualified Alonso and was running ahead of his team-mate through the first two stints.

But before the second pitstops, Alonso came in early and was able to leapfrog both Massa and leader Sebastian Vettel thanks to a clear lap on fresh tyres.

Massa denied this was a case of Ferrari putting Alonso on a preferential strategy and said he would not have wanted to pit when his team-mate did because in theory the tactic should not have worked.

The Brazilian felt Ferrari needed to get at least 15 laps out of each set of tyres, whereas Alonso pitted after 11.

"When you're fighting with the guy at the front and then you lose two positions, you're always disappointed," Massa said.

"Honestly it was a little bit too early to stop. We were planning to stop maybe three or four laps after.

"Looking at the degradation on the tyres, it was quite high. But he took a risk and it worked."

Massa felt track conditions moved in Alonso's favour.

"The track improved and it was much better for keeping the pace with more rubber on the track, and he didn't have any cars in front," said the Brazilian, who ultimately finished fourth.

"So it worked. For sure when you are behind it's always easier to stop before and try to take the risk.

"I am a little bit disappointed about this but overall I'm happy because the way we started the season was very, very positive."
 
Considering how 2008 went, Ferrari seems to back any driver that they think is doing better than the other. Although, I don't know how true that is now considering Alonso brings Santander to the team.
 
Rather pissed. Rosberg was yet again dominating everything then a ****storm of bad luck hit him in Q3. He started his hot lap almost a full lap earlier than Hamilton and in the second attempt he was held up and his tyres were worn out anyway. Shame. Of course, no one would give him any credit. At least not the SkyF1 team. Brundle once again bias towards Hamilton saying "Rosberg's car is set up better than Hamilton's or whatever". Wow.

Hope everything stays dry for tomorrow. I'd like to see Kimi, Rosberg and Sutil go up. I doubt Vettel's going to lead the race for more than 3 laps, if any at all. Massa and Alonso will probably jump him while Webber's KERS will fail again at the start for the 50th time in a row.
 
I'm expecting big moves from Mercedes, especially if it stays drier. If we get Spa-like torrential scattered rain though, it'll be another dice roll.

Great if so.

The pattern for Mercedes last year and Melbourne this year has been decent qualifying and then to go backwards in the race.

Grid order really set up well. Can't wait
 
Not mercedes. I meant Lotus. My bad...
I think McLaren has nr1 and nr2 this year though. But it's my oppinion.

I think that IF Massa continues to be faster, Ferrari can change something. I didn't say that that already happened.

Really hope he will, after all the bashing against him last year. In that case, they can't ignore it.
It's too great to see two red cars so close to the front again, hope they don't ruin it already..
Hope for a great start tomorrow, we can jump in front of vettel.

Talking about mclaren and mercedes, not, they don't have a defined situation yet.
But mclaren it's struggling too much to say anything lol.
 
Really hope he will, after all the bashing against him last year. In that case, they can't ignore it.
It's too great to see two red cars so close to the front again, hope they don't ruin it already..
Hope for a great start tomorrow, we can jump in front of vettel.

Talking about mclaren and mercedes, not, they don't have a defined situation yet.
But mclaren it's struggling too much to say anything lol.

We?
 

...Yeah ok ok that sound a bit stupid. Didn't even noticed i wrote WE when i posted it.
But no, i'm not 14 and i'm not a ferrari fanboy i-only-see-two-cars type, Mr. BHRxRacer.
Sorry if i dare to show too much support-excitement for the team of my country that finally have a decent car at the beginning of the season and a driver that everyone called useless and stuff like that for 3/4 of 2012 doing good, my bad dear gentlemens. :rolleyes:
Anyway, i'm looking forward to raikkonen (even if he start 10th) mercedes, maybe other good things by sutil... the weather lottery isn't my favourite thing, hope we're not going to see 20 pitstops with the wetdrywetdry dance.
 
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Me too, I'm not really a fan of Ferrari, but I really like Massa.

I'm not a Ferrari or Massa fan, per se, but Ferrari is a legacy team with a huge, passionate fan base and it's good for them to have a good season from time to time, and Massa is a good driver who had a really bad spell so it would be great to see a strong comeback, which is what it appears that we're seeing, so I'm happy for Ferrari, Massa, and for the sport in general.
 
They didn't screw over Massa. They pitted Alonso way, way earlier than planned (4 laps or so, I think) so he could jump Massa, Vettel and Sutil. It was simply a clever strategic decision on the fly, either by the team or Alonso.

I was going to mention this to a few people saying Massa was screwed over in the last race thread. But I decided against it. I didn't feel like getting into a back-and-forth argument with anyone who was too biased to see that Alonso's strategy was a risky decision made on the fly. No one could know with certainty that doing only 11-laps on the mediums, like Alonso did, during the 2nd stint would be a great strategy.
 
Seems like we may have a wet one. It's already looking cloudy in the south part of the circuit. I'm in a really long que to get drivers' signatures.
 
Rosberg-Raikkonen blocking incident.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi132JOAuqw">YouTube Link</a>

Just wondering what more well informed F1 fans think of this incident, looks a little harsh to me as that other car is right behind Kimi. When you've got two cars alongside each other right behind you it must be tough to figure out where to back off.
 
If it is dry it will be fun because the tyres were pealing literally every corner in practice.

If it is wet then wet races are always fun.
 
Indeed, it will be a good race all round.

Red Bulls quali pace looks good, their race pace less so. With Lotus the other way round, I think Kimi may be good for a podium, if not then a top 5.

I'm gonna go for an Alonso win, Rosberg looks pretty handy around here too.
 
If it is dry it will be fun because the tyres were pealing literally every corner in practice.

If it is wet then wet races are always fun.


Malaysia is one of my favorite all-time circuits for this reason.
 
Seems like we may have a wet one. It's already looking cloudy in the south part of the circuit....

Yeep, there're alot of scattered dark cloud passing here and on it's way to Sepang today, which is pretty unusual. Well, we still have 4 hours and a half left before the start, anything can happen. :sly:
 
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