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Vette is an exotic?

Yea... Its in a Class where it competes with the Vipers (non ARC of course), Lambos, 911's and Ferraris... Its filling the void where the Death Trap of a Ford GT was once apart of.
 
Yea... It's in a Class where it competes with the Vipers (non ACR of course), Lambos, 911's and Ferraris... Its filling the void where the Death Trap of a Ford GT was once apart of.

Just because it's fast doesn't mean it's an "exotic". Do you gawk when you see one on the street? Of course not.

The term "Exotic" is an already dumb and useless "classification" that doesn't apply to the cheaply made plastics that make up a Corvette.
 
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^^^ Depends on what's done to it. A really nice modified one will get my attention. Even less significant cars will catch my attention though.
 
I do gawck at vettes but what keeps it from being exotic is that I gawck at vettes about 3-5 times a day. :lol:
 
Yea... Its in a Class where it competes with the Vipers (non ARC of course), Lambos, 911's and Ferraris... Its filling the void where the Death Trap of a Ford GT was once apart of.

Ford GT death trap? In the quiet words of the virgin mary, come again?
 
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Yea... Its in a Class where it competes with the Vipers (non ARC of course), Lambos, 911's and Ferraris... Its filling the void where the Death Trap of a Ford GT was once apart of.

Really I thought vettes were muscle cars
 
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Just because it's fast doesn't mean it's an "exotic". Do you gawk when you see one on the street? Of course not.

The term "Exotic" is an already dumb and useless "classification" that doesn't apply to the cheaply made plastics that make up a Corvette.

The corvette gets gawked at plenty just not in the US. You can hate all you want on the plastics but the performance you just have to deal with the hard facts.
 
Just because it's fast doesn't mean it's an "exotic". Do you gawk when you see one on the street? Of course not.

The term "Exotic" is an already dumb and useless "classification" that doesn't apply to the cheaply made plastics that make up a Corvette.

Exotic has nothing to due with it being made of plastic or not, also the ZR1 is made of plenty of carbon through out the exterior fixed roof body, the Z06 also had a limited edition all carbon version. It is exotic due to the materials and techonolgy it's made up of as well as it being a two seater super car with a 200 + top speed. I usually gawk when I see the one and only ZR1 in my town just like I gawk at certain Mercedes and BMWs because I know the specs on them and how expensive they are. To scoff at a car that is 100k + seems a bit foolish.

composite and carbon-fiber body panels, hydroformed aluminum frame with aluminum and magnesium structural and chassis components

^ Those exotic materials and combonations are what make a car an exotic in a super car mold.

Also if it were as cheap as you describe it, then why not just build a whole new chassis and body/frame to race ALMS and Le Mans with?

Yea... Its in a Class where it competes with the Vipers (non ARC of course), Lambos, 911's and Ferraris... Its filling the void where the Death Trap of a Ford GT was once apart of.

How is it filling the void? The ford GT and Gt500 Mustang are worlds apart in a track scenario. The only thing they seem to share is the engine and maybe some updated technology brought over from the GT. Not too sure I haven't read all that much into the 2012 or 2013 GT500. I'd love to see a GT500 go up against and Aventador, GT2 RS or Turbo S, ZR1, GTR, or a 599 GTO. I just don't see it happening.

Also why is the GT a death trap?
 
The corvette gets gawked at plenty just not in the US. You can hate all you want on the plastics but the performance you just have to deal with the hard facts.

For a person whom I doubt has ever driven a car, let alone a sports car or even on a track, you sure do have a lot of well-backed, top quality posts. :rolleyes:

Someone doesn't like what you like? Say they're "hating". Seriously? Grow up.

The hard fact that the plastic deforms more than my but if I were to lean on it?

I quite like the Corvette, but I think its ridiculous when its more... devoted fans think that something with an interior like this...

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Belongs in the same category as this:
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But that's not the real reason why it isn't "exotic", see below.

Exotic has nothing to due with it being made of plastic or not, also the ZR1 is made of plenty of carbon through out the exterior fixed roof body, the Z06 also had a limited edition all carbon version. It is exotic due to the materials and techonolgy it's made up of as well as it being a two seater super car with a 200 + top speed. I usually gawk when I see the one and only ZR1 in my town just like I gawk at certain Mercedes and BMWs because I know the specs on them and how expensive they are. To scoff at a car that is 100k + seems a bit foolish.

composite and carbon-fiber body panels, hydroformed aluminum frame with aluminum and magnesium structural and chassis components

^ Those exotic materials and combonations are what make a car an exotic in a super car mold.

Also if it were as cheap as you describe it, then why not just build a whole new chassis and body/frame to race ALMS and Le Mans with?

With a name like "LMSCorvetteGT2" I'd be surprised if you didn't :lol:

I don't scoff at Corvettes. I never implied anything of the sort. I said that they're not on the same level as a Ferrari. By that logic saying that someone is "not as smart as Neil D. Tyson" is another way of saying that they are the intellectual equivalent of Dane Cook.

Perhaps I misread, but did you just recommend that I engineer an entirely new racing chassis and race Le Mans to prove that a street Corvette is made of plastic of questionable quality? :confused:

Once again, I said earlier that I think that "exotic" is a stupid classification. I will also say this: I have driven a C6 Z06 and a Porsche Turbo around a track. The Chevy isn't even in the same league. It was a steakhouse cut to filet mignon. Yes, I realize that we are discussing the ZR1, but I don't think that an outing in that would change my stance.

If you think that you can classify a Corvette as an "exotic" through the price, extremely vague materials namedrops, or performance numbers, then you must get out to the track more.
 
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Perhaps I misread, but did you just recommend that I engineer an entirely new racing chassis and compete in ALMS to prove that a street Corvette is made of plastic of questionable quality? :confused:

Once again, I said earlier that I think that "exotic" is a stupid classification. I will also say this: I have driven a C6 Z06 and a Porsche Turbo around a track. The Chevy isn't even in the same league. It was a steakhouse cut to filet mignon. Football cheerleader to Italian model. Yes, I realize that we are discussing the ZR1, but I don't think that an outing in that would change my stance.

If you think that you can classify a Corvette as an "exotic" through the price or performance numbers, then you must get out to the track more.

I'm asking why doesn't Chevy/Corvette Racing just make a new chassis and frame...not for you to do it. That'd be uncalled for really. Point being the ZR1 is a great car and buyers are getting their moneys worth as far as track to street. Since much of what is learned from the C6.R goes to the car.

The Porsche has had people claim issues with body parts melting in hotter climates and a few other issues. Also I've met people that own various other super cars and a few have said they were Porsche owners (one even with a Turbo) and switched to their current car because it wasn't fun or was lackluster compared to what they had now. This is coming from a Viper and Lambo owner that I talked to. However, that doesn't prove a Porsche is garbage nor does your claim that Z06 is. Though I would prefer the AWD Turbo S to a Z06. However, that is preference and not facts.


I get to the track plenty and the ZR1 is a good track car, I've seen it perform and the GM proving grounds where I live you meet people that can tell you first hand. Also the ZR1 has lapped tracks better than the Porsche and others. You're argument seems to fall down to a rhetoric that just because it comes from a company that strictly doesn't build super cars it isn't one (to me).
 
I'm asking why doesn't Chevy/Corvette Racing just make a new chassis and frame...not for you to do it. That'd be uncalled for really. Point being the ZR1 is a great car and buyers are getting their moneys worth as far as track to street. Since much of what is learned from the C6.R goes to the car.

Yes, I agree that racing pedigree can play a factor in elevating a car to "exotic" status. In this case however, I don't think it's enough.

However, that doesn't prove a Porsche is garbage nor does your claim that Z06 is.

See above for my "claim" that the Z06 is garbage. It isn't there. Quite the opposite actually, but it seems that you're not interested in what I actually say :yuck:

I get to the track plenty and the ZR1 is a good track car, I've seen it perform and the GM proving grounds where I live you meet people that can tell you first hand. Also the ZR1 has lapped tracks better than the Porsche and others. You're argument seems to fall down to a rhetoric that just because it comes from a company that strictly doesn't build super cars it isn't one (to me).

I said absolutely nothing about companies that build strictly super cars. The above statement about the Porsche vs. Corvette was about the differences in refinement between the two cars.

The Corvette felt like it was getting around the track because it was on fat rubber and stiff suspension with a low center of gravity and a heap of power. It felt like a sports car. Let me reiterate this point so I am not misquoted on this again. There is nothing wrong with that. I liked it very much. It yielded great results and was a blast to drive. Still not exotic.

The Porsche felt like it was getting around the track because it was expertly tuned and harmoniously constructed by practices and materials that are otherworldly and exotic.

Exotic

And I still hesitate to classify the Porsche as exotic...
 
if a Corvette and a Porsche Turbo shows up in my area, the Corvette will be getting 10 times the attention. Porsches are almost as common as a Honda Civic over here lol.

imo a Corvette is exotic because it has a brashness like no other. It depends in your location really, a GTR might be really exotic in the states too but really common over here.

But I don't think level of engineering and refinement has anything to do with it, it's not in the definition of the word.
 
Yes, I agree that racing pedigree can play a factor in elevating a car to "exotic" status. In this case however, I don't think it's enough.

How???

See above for my "claim" that the Z06 is garbage. It isn't there. Quite the opposite actually, but it seems that you're not interested in what I actually say :yuck:

Once again how??? I find it ironic that you didn't understand what I was saying to you before, but now claim that I don't care for what you say when in fact you seemed to misread what I said yet again:indiff:. You're opinion that the Z06 is garbage is subjective and not based in fact. I could make the claim that since the last confirmed Porsche production car test run at Nordschleif was 7:24 and the Z06 last claimed test confirmed was 7:22 and the ZR1 was 7:19.63, that the Corvette is clearly better. The motor trend test around Laguna Seca with the Z06 and the GT2 RS showed the Vette being faster by 2 seconds as well. However, I wont to a degree it may show the cars are better, but that is a limited degree. Yet I will say that is more proof than what you've put forth.

I said absolutely nothing about companies that build strictly super cars. The above statement about the Porsche vs. Corvette was about the differences in refinement between the two cars.

The Corvette felt like it was getting around the track because it was on fat rubber and stiff suspension with a low center of gravity and a heap of power. It felt like a sports car. Let me reiterate this point so I am not misquoted on this again. There is nothing wrong with that. I liked it very much. It yielded great results and was a blast to drive. Still not exotic.

The Porsche felt like it was getting around the track because it was expertly tuned and harmoniously constructed by practices and materials that are otherworldly and exotic.

Exotic

And I still hesitate to classify the Porsche as exotic...

First off let me clarify that I have been using super cars rather than Exotic, and I've only defined what makes a car exotic in the eyes of the automotive world, as well as using for argument sake. I wouldn't call any car exotic and I think it is an outdated term for Super car hence why I used the latter instead.

Once again I find it ironic that I make an opinion and even state that "to me" you seemed that way, obviously showing that it is highly open for interpretation and letting you know that I could be seeing it wrong. Yet you go the other way and fully read into it as if that is 100% set in stone that I think that it is your perspective toward the argument.

Also when has Magnesium and Aluminum been known not to be exotic especially when in combination, the Corvette on both has Carbon Ceramic breaks which are exotic and have been used in racing for a while now, same goes for the a-arm/double wishbone suspension, dry sump and a host of other features. Sorry, I just get the feeling that when you explain it I'm hearing about what a Camaro would be like around a track rather than a Vette. Also what year Z06 did you drive as well as what year Turbo? Did the Z06 have the Z07 option or no? What options did the Turbo have? The end result you come to on what "feels" exotic is still subjective, and to be honest what you feel from the Z06 in indentifying the way it ran would be part of the setup as well just as much as the Porsche. Also of course the Z06 is going to need fat tires for grip especially up against an AWD driveline car.

if a Corvette and a Porsche Turbo shows up in my area, the Corvette will be getting 10 times the attention. Porsches are almost as common as a Honda Civic over here lol.

imo a Corvette is exotic because it has a brashness like no other. It depends in your location really, a GTR might be really exotic in the states too but really common over here.

But I don't think level of engineering and refinement has anything to do with it, it's not in the definition of the word.

You have a point, that's why I said to the other user in respect to automotives it is; of a uniquely new or experimental nature, strikingly different. In respect to the word it seems to be more about scarcity or rarity of seeing such cars when others on here explain exotic.

Back to topic though:

I know for sure I'd gawk at a GT500, I've had the chance to ride shot gun in a test drive after I drove a 5.0 GT and I thought the latter was amazing. I was wrong. Though the GT500 wouldn't be my first choice, if I owned one I'd be happy for a very very long time.
 
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The term exotic car in itself is dying out. What constitutes exotic? Because if a Corvette can go mile for mile with a murcielago, then shouldn't the vette be an exotic also?

High end sports car is a much better definition to put on lamborghini, Ferrari, and Corvette.

As for the plastics, yeah it looks cheap, but remember this car is about performance at the discount, not to impress your manhood.
 
You're opinion that the Z06 is garbage is subjective and not based in fact.

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The Z06 I drove was a 2009 and didn't have a Z07 package. I didn't drive it for long enough shifts in order for the carbon ceramic brakes to be needed.

Seeing as you don't seem to read the posts that you reply to, I'll let my past self respond...

I could make the claim that since the last confirmed Porsche production car test run at Nordschleif was 7:24 and the Z06 last claimed test confirmed was 7:22 and the ZR1 was 7:19.63, that the Corvette is clearly better. The motor trend test around Laguna Seca with the Z06 and the GT2 RS showed the Vette being faster by 2 seconds as well. However, I wont to a degree it may show the cars are better, but that is a limited degree. Yet I will say that is more proof than what you've put forth.
Also when has Magnesium and Aluminum been known not to be exotic especially when in combination, the Corvette on both has Carbon Ceramic breaks which are exotic and have been used in racing for a while now...
If you think that you can classify a Corvette as an "exotic" through the price, extremely vague materials namedrops, or performance numbers, then you must get out to the track more.

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if a Corvette and a Porsche Turbo shows up in my area, the Corvette will be getting 10 times the attention. Porsches are almost as common as a Honda Civic over here lol.

imo a Corvette is exotic because it has a brashness like no other. It depends in your location really, a GTR might be really exotic in the states too but really common over here.

But I don't think level of engineering and refinement has anything to do with it, it's not in the definition of the word.

This raises another important point. Why aren't 911 Turbos exotic? Because the low end variants are everywhere. Same with the Corvette. I see standard Corvettes all over the place. I'd have to be bored to turn my head to see a stock Z06 drive by.
 
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How did you drive a Z06 if it didnt have the Z06 package?

It's like me saying I drove a 911 turbo, only it didn't have a turbo nor four wheel drive.
 
Discussing a Corvette in a Mustang thread. :lol:

But back ontopic. 200mph? Really? Will it hit that? (If it could I would. :lol: )
 
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Discussing a Corvette in a Mustang thread. :lol:

But back ontopic. 200mph? Really? Will it hit that? (If it could I would. :lol: )

According to Hot Rod, Ford has had numerous 200 MPH runs in the test mules so yes and it would be false advertising if it didn't.
 
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