2014 Grand Prix de Monaco

[HKS racer]

Yeah the sad part is it wasn't even a solution that worked, I told you guys early on that they were trying some other than the the t bars on the nose. Either way it's whatever. Not sure why bringing it up now matters.

Because you told me it was legal and I was telling you it wasn't.
The problem with FIA is they are drammatically inconsistent on what it's fair and what's not. They act like.. italians judges. And it's not good for the sport.

 

[Samus]

Because you told me it was legal and I was telling you it wasn't.
The problem with FIA is they are drammatically inconsistent on what it's fair and what's not. They act like.. italians judges.

It was legal. They exploited a loophole.

The rules say the mountings must not be located inside the carbon structure itself, but Newey’s loophole is that the camera was in fact inside the non-structural ‘vanity panel’ introduced last year to hide the unseemly nose steps.

But while it satisfied the actual wording of the rules, commercial rights holder Formula One Management was less happy with the Red Bull trick.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Because you told me it was legal and I was telling you it wasn't.
The problem with FIA is they are drammatically inconsistent on what it's fair and what's not. They act like.. italians judges. And it's not good for the sport.

When did I say this? Can you show me because you've done this in the past and logs proved that you misquoted me. Also yes the FIA are inconsistent welcome to the party, this has been known for decades not sure why it's important given what's going on other than to perpetuate your hate for RBR. In other words who cares

Also as @Samus said they exploited like they have been for years and doing a good job at it, this time it didn't last as long, oh well. Banning something later on, just means they're trying to nerf or keep in spirit of the rules

 

[BHRxRacer]

I didn't catch the "while".

Well my thoughts while it happened was "hurry up and reverse" then I looked at the time remaining and it was yellow. He looked as nervous as I was in the cockpit so I still doubt it was on purpose. The smiles and laughs in the interviews are just him trying to rub it in his face.

 

[HKS racer]

When did I say this? Can you show me because you've done this in the past and logs proved that you misquoted me. Also yes the FIA are inconsistent welcome to the party, this has been known for decades not sure why it's important given what's going on other than to perpetuate your hate for RBR. In other words who cares

Nice day to you too.

 

[Ninners]

I would have thought keeping the wheel straight would have given him a better chance of slowing it down.

 

[Parker]

I didn't catch the "while".

Well my thoughts while it happened was "hurry up and reverse" then I looked at the time remaining and it was yellow. He looked as nervous as I was in the cockpit so I still doubt it was on purpose. The smiles and laughs in the interviews are just him trying to rub it in his face.

Surely a true champion and sportsman wouldn't do something like that, right?

 

[Samus]

I didn't catch the "while".

Well my thoughts while it happened was "hurry up and reverse" then I looked at the time remaining and it was yellow. He looked as nervous as I was in the cockpit so I still doubt it was on purpose. The smiles and laughs in the interviews are just him trying to rub it in his face.

Eh? He knew full well he was on his last hot lap.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I didn't catch the "while".

Well my thoughts while it happened was "hurry up and reverse" then I looked at the time remaining and it was yellow. He looked as nervous as I was in the cockpit so I still doubt it was on purpose. The smiles and laughs in the interviews are just him trying to rub it in his face.

Still reversing in a spot that is already tight and being stopped or doing anything else then driving through that area would bring a yellow out. There was still time on the clock, and now he's under investigation to be honest, I'll let others argue your view point because your stake in this is of well known bias and not being able to differentiate giving Lewis a fair shake.

 

[BHRxRacer]

Surely a true champion and sportsman wouldn't do something like that, right?

Ha. No it isn't, but then again the way Hamilton has been behaving I'd justify a low blow or two.

Eh? He knew full well he was on his last hot lap.

He was frantic with the steering wheel from the first corner, and then after he went to the escape route he didn't know to go left or right. Obviously he was nervous and didn't know what to do.

 

[dhandeh]

Rosberg made a mistake just past Casino, knew he wouldn't better his time, then had a 'wobble'. When put under pressure to deliver he cracked, he knows this, Hamilton knows this, and so do the viewing public. He is now under massive pressure to dominate tomorrows race, not just because of the WDC put also of how he has achieved pole.

 

[BHRxRacer]

Still reversing in a spot that is already tight and being stopped or doing anything else then driving through that area would bring a yellow out. There was still time on the clock, and now he's under investigation to be honest, I'll let others argue your view point because your stake in this is of well known bias and not being able to differentiate giving Lewis a fair shake.

I've never been bias. I don't care what you and the others think. I give credit when credit's due, no matter who it is. I don't like Vettel much more than Hamilton, and he was driver of the day in the last race. Anyway, you're free to think what you want.

Rosberg made a mistake just past Casino, knew he wouldn't better his time, then had a 'wobble'. When put under pressure to deliver he cracked, he knows this, Hamilton knows this, and so do the viewing public. He is now under massive pressure to dominate tomorrows race, not just because of the WDC put also of how he has achieved pole.

Yup. He made a mistake. Nobody thought his lock ups and spin at Malaysia was on purpose :/

It's been clear this season Rosberg is under massive pressure and he keeps cracking. This was just another incident.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Ha. No it isn't, but then again the way Hamilton has been behaving I'd justify a low blow or two.

This right here, is all you needed to say

I've never been bias. I don't care what you and the others think. I give credit when credit's due, no matter who it is. I don't like Vettel much more than Hamilton, and he was driver of the day in the last race. Anyway, you're free to think what you want.

Well now you're not being honest.

 

[Samus]

Ha. No it isn't, but then again the way Hamilton has been behaving I'd justify a low blow or two.

He was frantic with the steering wheel from the first corner, and then after he went to the escape route he didn't know to go left or right. Obviously he was nervous and didn't know what to do.

He turned into a nervous wreck on his final lap, is that what you're telling me? Besides that still doesn't explain him reversing back onto the track instead of waiting.

Anyway whether it was deliberate in some way or not I think this is certainly the final nail in the friendship coffin for those two, at least for this season. Which as I said earlier, is only good for us. If we're going to have one team dominate it's much better to have the two drivers at each other rather than a lap dog situation, like most of the Schumacher Ferrari years. Should spice up the rest of the season.

 

[BHRxRacer]

This right here, is all you needed to say



Well now you're not being honest.

This right here, is all you needed to say



Well now you're not being honest.

Honest with what? I've given Hamilton credit before. Go through last season's threads. As for the sportsmanship thing, I agree. It's not the right thing to do, but from his point of view this is just him trying the two wrongs make a right thing.

He turned into a nervous wreck on his final lap, is that what you're telling me? Besides that still doesn't explain him reversing back onto the track instead of waiting.

Yes. He was frantic from the first corner. Watch the lap again. The reversing part was probably him not knowing what to do, as shown by him going left and right in the run off. If he'd shown a cool head this season, I'd say this was on purpose. However, all season long he was losing it under pressure.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

A bit suspicious I think the line he was taking and how late he was braking. He most likely saw he was down on his first sector time by enough to make it very hard to beat his fastest lap so I can understand him trying to brake late but the line he took...

 

[Samus]

He might have been nervous but he's not an idiot, if we assume the mistake was not on purpose he knows the situation once he's in that run off. Lap is over, quali for him is over, there is no gain to reversing into a track when he knows full well others are still on track.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

I would have thought keeping the wheel straight would have given him a better chance of slowing it down.

This is what I thought when seeing the onboard footage. I'm not saying he did anything on purpose or claiming any conspiracies, but there seemed to be more wheel movement than necessary, so of course you'll lock up or unsettle the car, increasing your braking zone.

 

[Ninners]

I would have tried to aim for the apex and not move it so much.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Honest with what? I've given Hamilton credit before. Go through last season's threads. As for the sportsmanship thing, I agree. It's not the right thing to do, but from his point of view this is just him trying the two wrongs make a right thing.

If you say so, but I'm paraphrasing here you were "I don't how everyone is making a big deal out of Hamilton this season as if he is doing something great". Either way if you dont think you dislike Hamilton when you're wording this season has said otherwise don't let me get in your way of that.

Yes. He was frantic from the first corner. Watch the lap again. The reversing part was probably him not knowing what to do, as shown by him going left and right in the run off. If he'd shown a cool head this season, I'd say this was on purpose. However, all season long he was losing it under pressure.

Okay and so what...he should still be punished for pulling a stupid move. These drivers should be thinking at all times that's what their million dollar salaries pay them to do.

 

[Ninners]

Rosberg said "I said sorry for blocking... I mean..." live on TV. He's screwed. Blocking is exactly what he would be penalised for.


Don't know how this is going to end.

 

[BHRxRacer]

Ok I'm beginning to get bothered. I'm not saying it's a 100%, you're free to think it was deliberate, but saying he could've made the apex is silly. Stop doing that, people. He needed to snap back to the left for the braking, but he braked late and hesitated to turn in. The only argument you have is that he planned this all along, from the beginning of the lap or at least after Casino.

He might have been nervous but he's not an idiot, if we assume the mistake was not on purpose he knows the situation once he's in that run off. Lap is over, quali for him is over, there is no gain to reversing into a track when he knows full well others are still on track.

Not an idiot. Have you ever been under that much pressure before? Even in an online race in GT6, I sometimes crack like that and do something very stupid. You're practically blinded in a situation like that. Heck, I'm on my ass watching it on a screen and I had no clue how much time was left and completely forgot where Hamilton was.

I would have tried to aim for the apex and not move it so much.

He would've ended up in the wall.

 

[Samus]

Not an idiot. Have you ever been under that much pressure before? Even in an online race in GT6, I sometimes crack like that and do something very stupid. You're practically blinded in a situation like that. Heck, I'm on my ass watching it on a screen and I had no clue how much time was left and completely forgot where Hamilton was.

Please, you and I are not professional Formula 1 drivers. Half way through the previous lap he would have known the next one one was his last and that other cars (Hamilton or otherwise) would have still been on track.It's not like he made the mistake then went all wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man.

FWIW I don't care who wins between them, literally could not care less, all I want to see is good racing and so in that sense this is good for me. I'm just curious, as many F1 fans are, whether there was any intent and you can't say for any certainty that there wasn't.

 

[BHRxRacer]

If you say so, but I'm paraphrasing here you were "I don't how everyone is making a big deal out of Hamilton this season as if he is doing something great". Either way if you dont think you dislike Hamilton when you're wording this season has said otherwise don't let me get in your way of that.



Okay and so what...he should still be punished for pulling a stupid move. These drivers should be thinking at all times that's what their million dollar salaries pay them to do.

?? I don't like Hamilton. I didn't deny that. I also don't like Alonso, Raikkonen, Chilton, Maldonado, Vettel and Kobayashi. That doesn't stop me from looking at things objectively.

Oh and **** happens in racing. Raikkonen spun at Suzuka last year and ruined qualifying for everybody. Did he get penalized for his incompetence?

Rosberg said "I said sorry for blocking... I mean..." live on TV. He's screwed. Blocking is exactly what he would be penalized for.

1) English is not his first language. In my own language, the word used for "blocking" doesn't imply intent. Could be the same for him.
2) Technically he did block him anyway. I understand what you're saying, that it might be a Freudian slip, but you don't use that sort of thing as a judge. If you're giving someone a penalty you have to be 100% certain.

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@Samus

Please, you and I are not professional Formula 1 drivers. Half way through the previous lap he would have known the next one one was his last and that other cars (Hamilton or otherwise) would have still been on track.It's not like he made the mistake then went all wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man.

FWIW I don't care who wins between them, literally could not care less, all I want to see is good racing and so in that sense this is good for me. I'm just curious, as many F1 fans are, whether there was any intent and you can't say for any certainty that there wasn't.

Let's not forget it was Hamilton ahead of Rosberg initially then he let Rosberg pass. That could've confused him. Oh, and "professionals" aren't necessarily immune to these things. Rosberg's been on his toes like a girl all season.

I'm as curious as you are by the way, and I don't like missing a chance to see Hamilton lose without an excuse. I just don't want to see claims made without proper consideration. Off topic; I still don't think the Schumacher/Hill thing was on purpose.

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brb GP2

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Rosberg said "I said sorry for blocking... I mean..." live on TV. He's screwed. Blocking is exactly what he would be penalised for.


Don't know how this is going to end.

Yep I heard that interview, interesting word to use first before correcting.

I just find it interesting the line he used, if he is taking a tighter line and braking later so obvious result is not going to be able to make the corner. Mind games of reversing and also his manner when celebrating after messing up his last Q3 lap and others Q3 laps seemed a bit strange way to go about it if he is sincerely sorry for messing up other peoples lap.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

?? I don't like Hamilton. I didn't deny that. I also don't like Alonso, Raikkonen, Chilton, Maldonado, Vettel and Kobayashi. That doesn't stop me from looking at things objectively.

Sure it does.

Oh and **** happens in racing. Raikkonen spun at Suzuka last year and ruined qualifying for everybody. Did he get penalized for his incompetence?

And there's your simple thinking. Backing up in reverse on Monaco is very different than spinning out at Suzuka, especially when on coming traffic is coming toward you which forces stewards to pull out the yellow.

1) English is not his first language. In my own language, the word used for "blocking" doesn't imply intent. Could be the same for him.
2) Technically he did block him anyway. I understand what you're saying, that it might be a Freudian slip, but you don't use that sort of thing as a judge. If you're giving someone a penalty you have to be 100% certain.

The guys if fluent in 5 languages and now you're going to make it sound as if he just picked up English a year or two ago...

My sides please don't the laughter is too much.

 

[Samus]

Let's not forget it was Hamilton ahead of Rosberg initially then he let Rosberg pass. That could've confused him. Oh, and "professionals" aren't necessarily immune to these things. Rosberg's been on his toes like a girl all season.

I'm as curious as you are by the way, and I don't like missing a chance to see Hamilton lose without an excuse. I just don't want to see claims made without proper consideration. Off topic; I still don't think the Schumacher/Hill thing was on purpose.

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brb GP2

Sorry but I just don't buy this 'he was nervous/confused' reasoning one bit.

 

[Ninners]

Why would be nervous, he didn't do anything wrong didn't he? If he was nervous then he definitely did something on purpose then.

 

[dhandeh]

You just can't trust the Germans.

 

[neljack]

Rosberg's investigation is not for a deliberate block, but for reversing back up the track....