2015 Formula 1 United States Grand Prix

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I hope they actually go back to the V8's next year like Bernie said, not sure I can take another year of Lewis vs Nico.
 
[Nor]MclarenF1
Ehm... When did Bernie say V8's could happen next year? The V6's are here to stay for a while.
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The other day on motorsport.com (and another website) both quoted Bernie saying something about a cheaper V6T AND V8 option for next year. Meaning both V6T's and V8's in F1.
 
TiZzla
not sure I can take another year of Lewis vs himself.
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FTFY. :p

Ignoring the fact that the track didn't stay wet long enough to prevent another Mercedes 1-2, really great race, with lots of good overtakes throughout the field :)
 
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TiZzla
Couple of days ago he said they might force the switch back to v8's even if the teams don't want it.
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I SO want that happen. Bernie can be useful. :D :P


*look it's all ridiculous but I miss the old engines...like the new ones but the old ones were better*
 
TiZzla
I hope they actually go back to the V8's next year like Bernie said, not sure I can take another year of Lewis vs Nico.
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You think a new engine is gonna stop Mercedes?

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RACECAR
You think a new engine is gonna stop Mercedes?

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So then why are Mercedes too scared to give RedBull an engine? But I agree that having the same engine didn't stop teams dominating in the past so it might not change much. At least they would sound good again and the reliability issues would go away. Also would be nice to see Alonso and Button with more than Gp2 engines.
 
TiZzla
So then why are Mercedes too scared to give RedBull an engine?
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Honestly, who wants to give Red Bull an engine after the crap they said about Renault? I doubt it has to do with an advantage and more to do with Dietrich being the world's richest baby.

TiZzla
But I agree that having the same engine didn't stop teams dominating in the past so it might not change much. At least they would sound good again and the reliability issues would go away. Also would be nice to see Alonso and Button with more than Gp2 engines.
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I also don't think that's a guarantee. Remember that even during Red Bull's dominance with the V8s, they've blown up as well. Also, Give Honda a chance. Look at today's results over their first race in Australia, they are actually making progress.

catamount39
Noise, soul, character...everything. Yes.

Also Bernie's supposed reason is sound but also cost.
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Funny, isn't that why we got the V6s in the first place?

TenEightyOne
But sound is energy, why waste it??
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Ask the people that think the V8s and V12s somehow have more "soul" then the V6s.
 
@RACECAR Mercedes and Ferrari both refused to give them an engine because they know that they would be a huge threat, simple as that. Even with their underpowered Renault engine they are very fast on the slower tracks because the chassis is very good and possibly better than the Mercedes.

And can you really blame them for not being happy with Renault? They are customers who pay them ridiculous amounts of money for a product that was highly inferior to the competition and was also very unreliable.

As for the reliability of the old V8's they might not have been perfect but they were a lot better than these complex hybrid-turbo engines and they made the competition a lot better as no team had any engine performance advantage.
 
Angel
If they would get rid of the damn hybrid nonsense, maybe the engines wouldn't break the bank...
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THIS. Too much this. The hybrid systems are pointless, they just increase costs. They were fun for a while but it's just made things ridiculous. That or if they really want them just have Williams or somebody make a spec system.

F1 is NOT the sport of conservation. It's about the top tier of Formula/Open Wheel cars in the entire world. The WEC's LMP1 category is where hybrid tech should be king, not F1. F1 used to have a soul, the soul was finally ripped out after the fall of the 18,000rpm V8's. Now V6T's can be exciting, look at Indycar, those hit 12,000(?) and sound great. Crank these V6T's up to 17-18,000 or bring back the V8's or both.
 
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TiZzla
@RACECAR Mercedes and Ferrari both refused to give them an engine because they know that they would be a huge threat, simple as that. Even with their underpowered Renault engine they are very fast on the slower tracks because the chassis is very good and possibly better than the Mercedes.

And can you really blame them for not being happy with Renault? They are customers who pay them ridiculous amounts of money for a product that was highly inferior to the competition and was also very unreliable.

As for the reliability of the old V8's they might not have been perfect but they were a lot better than these complex hybrid-turbo engines and they made the competition a lot better as no team had any engine performance advantage.
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So why ask the question beforehand?

I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to give my competition a leg-up on me.
 
McLaren
So why ask the question beforehand?

I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to give my competition a leg-up on me.
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Not just that, who gives a power unit to a team that has stabbed another supplier in the back and takes every opportunity to criticize them publicly after enjoying many successful years together?
 
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TiZzla
@RACECAR Even with their underpowered Renault engine they are very fast on the slower tracks because the chassis is very good and possibly better than the Mercedes.
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It's a quick conclusion to give entire credit to chassis. An engine quality is not only defined by the kw at its peak. Renault Sport as always used "agrément moteur" (i failed to translate this in english; "engine driveability" maybe?) as one of its mantra. The V10 choice over V12 engine in the 90' is a good illustration. They kept this direction with their winning V8.
 
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TiZzla
And can you really blame them for not being happy with Renault? They are customers who pay them ridiculous amounts of money for a product that was highly inferior to the competition and was also very unreliable.
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Thing is, you don't go around and act like a goddamn brat when you don't get your way. Its beyond unprofessional. And:

Peasantslayer
Not just that, who gives a power unit to a team that has stabbed another supplier in the back and takes every opportunity to criticize them publicly after enjoying many successful years together?
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Precisely. Who's to say they won't do the exact same thing when they don't win with a Ferrari or a Mercedes Powerplant? I don't blame either of them wanting that cry baggage.
 
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Surprised by some of the reactions. The drivers or someone is always passing out the hats. Hamilton is handing one to Vettel I think there and calmly tosses a hat to Nico perfectly, it wasn't launched and they generally toss the Pirelli hats out like this after the races. Nico throws it back in a petty manner. Hamilton even looked a little perturbed by it. You can tell from the way Lewis just tossed the hat and went to put his on he wasn't expecting it being launched back.

This wasn't Lewis throwing a hat a him or doing something random at Nico.

Max Verstappen, someone give him a car already. :) Amazing how he said pre race the rain and quali reminded him of his old F3 days.
 
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Angel
If they would get rid of the damn hybrid nonsense, maybe the engines wouldn't break the bank...
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I think so too, too expensive and a few too few cars. Heck Rossi nearly scored a pt just keeping it steady. :sly: What does a power unit cost for F1 these days, maybe Bernie could afford 2 of them tops.

Anyways it was a good race, I thought it was interesting you really didn't know who was gonna win until the final safety car messed it all up for Vettel. :( Really anyone in the top 4 could have won that, it was just the safety cars that saved Lewis, he lost too much time on IMs first stint to win with no breaks in the action. Lewis got lucky, but so did red bull and all the others I suppose that it was similar low grip conditions for them to hit it hard. I for one thought that was the best race these generation of 'power units' have produced. Despite the typical finishing order an all that.
 

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