2015 Formula 1 United States Grand Prix

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I honestly think if they got rid of the Hybrid system, these would sound much closer to the V6s of old. There is already some nice characteristic growls unique to each powerplant, Getting rid of that Hybrid would everyone to hear more of that V6 and less of that whistle.
 
Just watched a replay, I know I'm late to the party :lol:

But wow!!! What a race. I actually yelled at my TV a couple of times....can't remember the last time I did that watching F1 :).

I was all smiles for Max, Rossi, and Button. I thought Sainz provided some great entertainment too.

I kind of wanted to see the WDC carry on, but at the same time, Lewis deserved the title this year, he earned it. Rosberg, just...*sigh*. I feel for him, he must be under huge pressure, most of it seemingly from himself, but man does he ever have a special way of choking.

The Wolff/Lauda reaction to his moment was unbelievable :eek:. Maybe I'm reading to much into it, but there was a lot of disrespect in both of their eyes...almost like they were expecting Nico to fail. I'm more interested in the fallout from that little titbit of camera work than the hat situation. I can't imagine Nico's confidence being extemely high, and after he sees that clip, if I were him, I'd definitely be giving sideways glances at both Toto and Niki.

The hat thing is rediculous. It shouldnt even be a story. In hindsight, neither should have thrown the hat...but who the 🤬 cares. So what if Nico was sulking. I'd rather see emotion like that then these robots who are all smiles when they lose. It's one of those funny motosports moments...where everyone seems to have this holier-than-thou view on how the drivers should behave. Can you imagine any other sport where it would be ok for the winner to throw anything at the loser?? If this was anything but F1, having the hat tossed back at him is the least that Lewis would have had coming at him.



I think this GP was the tiniest little taste of how good F1 can and should be. I really hope the top 4 teams can close the performance gap so we can see some really good scraps in 2016.

Edit: now I'm reading on reddit that the timing of them showing the Wolff/Lauda exchange might have been some clever editing by the program director...
 
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The Wolff/Lauda reaction to his moment was unbelievable :eek:. Maybe I'm reading to much into it, but there was a lot of disrespect in both of their eyes...almost like they were expecting Nico to fail. I'm more interested in the fallout from that little titbit of camera work than the hat situation. I can't imagine Nico's confidence being extemely high, and after he sees that clip, if I were him, I'd definitely be giving sideways glances at both Toto and Niki.


Edit: now I'm reading on reddit that the timing of them showing the Wolff/Lauda exchange might have been some clever editing by the program director...

I was just about to say that was just some odd timing (Possibly the producers wanting to manufacturer drama, something I'm more and more am pissed off at).
 
Would be a shame if such an eventful race will just be remembered for a hat toss. Racing wise definitely the best race of the season so far. And let's just face it. If Hamilton hadn't won today it would only have postponed the inevitable. No one else had anything other than a theoretical chance at the title.
Let's hope the rest of the GP's this year will give us more good racing and then hope 2016 will be the year things start to turn.
 
Watching a replay of the race. That move at Turn 1 was ultra-questionable - Hamilton didn't even try to take the corner properly.

Even Brundle commented that he could have easily put on more lock and got through the corner fine without rubbing into Rosberg.
 
Even Brundle commented that he could have easily put on more lock and got through the corner fine without rubbing into Rosberg.
Mercedes clearly think there's something to it since they have already said that they will move to prevent a repeat of Spa 2014.
 
Rosberg must be feeling rather shut out from Mercedes after Wolff and Lauda's appalling reaction to his mistake. Lost a lot of respect for those two after that. The hat incident, Rosberg shouldn't have thrown the hat, but, Hamilton shouldn't have spitefully thrown the hat into Rosberg's lap in the first place. The first corner incident between Hamilton and Rosberg was marginal, but if blame had to be dealt out, I'd say it would be Hamilton, he definitely could have used a lot more lock to get around the corner without incident.

All in all, probably the best GP of the season, and hopefully it will help boost F1's stocks in the USA.
 
Rosberg must be feeling rather shut out from Mercedes after Wolff and Lauda's appalling reaction to his mistake. Lost a lot of respect for those two after that. The hat incident, Rosberg shouldn't have thrown the hat, but, Hamilton shouldn't have spitefully thrown the hat into Rosberg's lap in the first place. The first corner incident between Hamilton and Rosberg was marginal, but if blame had to be dealt out, I'd say it would be Hamilton, he definitely could have used a lot more lock to get around the corner without incident.

All in all, probably the best GP of the season, and hopefully it will help boost F1's stocks in the USA.
I think we've all come to the conclusion that the reaction from Toto and Niki were from something different and timed by the broadcast crew to incite drama. I don't see why higher ups at Mercedes would laugh at a mistake that could have ruined Lewis' chance at the title.
 
Rosberg must be feeling rather shut out from Mercedes after Wolff and Lauda's appalling reaction to his mistake.
I honestly have to wonder if they have ever truly supported him. Hamilton is clearly the more popular driver, and given the team's dominance, they have the leeway to pick favourites.

I don't see why higher ups at Mercedes would laugh at a mistake that could have ruined Lewis' chance at the title.
The only way that would have cost Hamilton the title would have been if Hamilton had made a mistake of his own and cannoned into him. They were nowhere near each other when Hamilton passed him.
 
I can see why Rosberg is so annoyed, though his reaction wasn't right. All season people have been questioning whether Rosberg has the racecraft to stand up and fight Hamilton, yet Lewis is applauded for questionable moves like this one because he is a fighter. He was lucky that 1 or both cars did not retire or suffer damage, which would have made this the same as the Spa clash in reverse...
 
Lewis is applauded for questionable moves like this one because he is a fighter.
I sometimes wonder if it's because he's British. The sport has close ties to Britain, and I sometimes feel that there is an attitude that because of it, the sport owes Britain something. Remember when Kravitz and Croft were analysing potential driver moves a few races ago? Kravitz was mortified at the possibility of "only two Brits on the grid". Both of them - Hamilton and Button - are World Champions, but somehow that's not good enough.
 
I honestly have to wonder if they have ever truly supported him. Hamilton is clearly the more popular driver, and given the team's dominance, they have the leeway to pick favourites.

I think Mercedes support both drivers - and I expect that behind the scenes Hamilton and Rosberg are as bad as each other. The difference is that Hamilton seems to have conquered pressure whilst in the car, Rosberg's frantic and squeaky radio transmissions suggest to me that he hasn't.

I sometimes wonder if it's because he's British. The sport has close ties to Britain, and I sometimes feel that there is an attitude that because of it, the sport owes Britain something. Remember when Kravitz and Croft were analysing potential driver moves a few races ago? Kravitz was mortified at the possibility of "only two Brits on the grid". Both of them - Hamilton and Button - are World Champions, but somehow that's not good enough.

Does British Sky coverage favour Brits? I think it often does. Is Kravitz an utter prat? Oohhh yes.

The BBC's coverage is generally better (when Coulthard stops prattling). There's bound to be some British bias to the sport with it having begun here, with the great majority of factories sitting in the same small area of the country and with our innate sense of Imperial entitlement ( :D ), I think the BBC handle that better overall though. Remember that Sky's team consist of Ted "Are You Gonna Go a-Way" Kravitz, Brundle (former-president-of-BRDC), Pinkney (landed gentry), Herbert (plucky Brit underdog) and the only-son-of-a-champion-to-be-champion Damon Hill. Most of those people have offices at Silverstone so their bias to the track and the home country are inevitable.
 
He was lucky that 1 or both cars did not retire or suffer damage, which would have made this the same as the Spa clash in reverse...
Hamilton was turning left at all times and had the inside line of a tight corner, he placed his car so that Rosberg either had to back out and slip in behind him or be squeezed out. Rosberg chose the latter as usual.
 
Hamilton was turning left at all times and had the inside line of a tight corner, he placed his car so that Rosberg either had to back out and slip in behind him or be squeezed out. Rosberg chose the latter as usual.
The move was completely unnecessary on Hamilton's part. He had plenty of space to give Rosberg racing room and still hold the position. It would have set him up for the ideal racing line into the second corner. While the on-board vision shows him turning left at all times, it also shows him applying the barest minimum amount of lock through the corner. And it wasn't a normal racing line to follow, either, because you need to straighten the car up for the run down the hill. Being that far out leaves you exposed down the inside, and a car with better traction - like the Red Bull - stood a realistic chance of taking the position.

But if the move was perfectly legal, why did the commentators immediately point it out? And why did Mercedes go into driver management mode as soon as the race was done, promising to prevent a repeat of Spa 2014? Because I'm pretty confident that if the positions had been reversed and Rosberg had muscled Hamilton off, you would be in here screaming blue murder.
 
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Surprised by some of the reactions. The drivers or someone is always passing out the hats. Hamilton is handing one to Vettel I think there and calmly tosses a hat to Nico perfectly, it wasn't launched and they generally toss the Pirelli hats out like this after the races. Nico throws it back in a petty manner. Hamilton even looked a little perturbed by it. You can tell from the way Lewis just tossed the hat and went to put his on he wasn't expecting it being launched back.

Yeah but I think if you see someone looking the way Nico is at that moment you would be wise enough know that tossing a hat could be construed as being slightly patronising, like he's tossing him a scrap. You just need to know sometimes when to leave a person alone. Hamilton should kinda know how Rosberg is going to feel especially after turn 1. Granted Rosberg should behave better but the guys hurting, I get it.
 
So just because he has the inside line, it's ok for Hamilton to push Rosberg off track?
A team has to make a complaint to the stewards for any action to be taken. They will not complain about their own drivers.
 
A lack of a complaint does not make the pass legal or acceptable by default.
No, but It does makes legality irrelavent since it's not enforced and acceptability is down to interpretation anyway. You see a bad move to someone else it's a fair move.
 
But if the move was perfectly legal, why did the commentators immediately point it out? And why did Mercedes go into driver management mode as soon as the race was done, promising to prevent a repeat of Spa 2014? Because I'm pretty confident that if the positions had been reversed and Rosberg had muscled Hamilton off, you would be in here screaming blue murder.
It was an aggressive overtake and after watching it again he definitely has some lock to spare which he uses on the exit, Rosberg was turning in more that he should have because Hamilton was blocking the path.

 
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A team has to make a complaint to the stewards for any action to be taken. They will not complain about their own drivers.

Oh I know that (although not sure why the stewards are so useless you have to point everything out to them), I'm just confused how someone could honestly defend a driver pushing someone else off track. It's somewhat understandable when they don't make contact (barely), but that wasn't even the case here.
 
I'm not sure that can be described as a "move" to be honest - from the onboard it looks to me like he didn't anticipate the understeer and the car just slid straight on. I won't deny Lewis has form in hanging drivers out to dry on the outside of corners (and I don't like it very much either), but to do it as a deliberate "move" doesn't usually involve clattering into the other driver's wheel! I think on this occasion it was just clumsiness.
 
Running people wide on exit is not an uncommon technique, and is seen across lots of forms of motorsport - I don't recall people being penalized that often though. It's a dirty tactic IMO, but I think it's a fairly valid one. Pulling it on your own team-mate though... 👎
 
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