2015 Formula 1 United States Grand Prix

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Rather happy I didn't stay up to 2am just to watch FP1 & FP2. Still contemplating the race... I'll wait till Qualy is done till I decide on it. :lol:
 
WTF are Sky talking about with F1 and Laguna Seca, just stop saying stupid things.:banghead:

If they let Tilke anywhere near Leguna Seca, I swear on everything, I'ma blow this motha 🤬 up!!!!

That said...if you could find a way to make Leguna Seca compatible for modern F1 without destroying the track, it would be pretty awesome.
 
Challenge accepted:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/m/?r=6740905&rf=1

The run-off isn't bad; the real problem is the relatively short length and lack of pit facilities. I tried to make something new that didn't corrupt the old circuit.
That's actually pretty good. All the existing corners still retain their importance and feel.

I don't get what Sky was on about, Leguna being too dangerous? I get that the pit facilities would need an upgrade...but other than that, what does it need? All the corners have big runoff, except the corkscrew...and I'm pretty sure the barriers in that section could be pushed back. Yes, there are walls, but there are walls around almost every track. The only issue is maybe the sand in the run offs, but that could be gravelled or paved. The only other thing I can thing of is the short lap times.

It's probably s pipe dream, and in th long run, probably better for Sports Car racing in America if F1 just stays the hell away from Leguna :lol:
 
I don't get what Sky was on about, Leguna being too dangerous?
I don't know - owing to the time difference, FP1 was on between the hours of why-the-hell-am-I-still-awake and please-God-just-let-me-sleep for me. So I don't even know why they were talking about Laguna Seca in the first place. What did they say?
 
I don't know - owing to the time difference, FP1 was on between the hours of why-the-hell-am-I-still-awake and please-God-just-let-me-sleep for me. So I don't even know why they were talking about Laguna Seca in the first place. What did they say?
During FP2 Ted managed to get a short interview with the muppet and asked him about a 2nd US race. He said that NJ was most likely dead but a 2nd race in California was possible, but not at Long Beach which is when the Sky people started with the Laguna nonsense. Forget that fact that the track is barely suitable for Imsa at this point, the track is broke. They have lost money every year since 2008 and could never come close to paying a F1 sanction fee.
 
He said that NJ was most likely dead but a 2nd race in California was possible, but not at Long Beach which is when the Sky people started with the Laguna nonsense.
Well, the only other option would be Sonoma, and it has many of the same issues in terms of facilities.

They have lost money every year since 2008 and could never come close to paying a F1 sanction fee.
Red Bull turned the A1 Ring around. Likewise Carlos Slim with the Hermanos Rodríguez circuit. Granted, they picked it up for a song, but Laguna Seca could be turned around. If they invested in a new surface, it would increase the immediate appeal for American series. And if they went for a more traditional pit layout, it would give them broader appeal. The problem they have is that the open-air pit is very American, and probably a hold-over from NASCAR and oval racing where pit buildings will obscure the crowd's line of sight.
 
Well, the only other option would be Sonoma, and it has many of the same issues in terms of facilities.


Red Bull turned the A1 Ring around. Likewise Carlos Slim with the Hermanos Rodríguez circuit. Granted, they picked it up for a song, but Laguna Seca could be turned around. If they invested in a new surface, it would increase the immediate appeal for American series. And if they went for a more traditional pit layout, it would give them broader appeal. The problem they have is that the open-air pit is very American, and probably a hold-over from NASCAR and oval racing where pit buildings will obscure the crowd's line of sight.
Sonoma is actually graded for F1 testing.
 
but Laguna Seca could be turned around. If they invested in a new surface, it would increase the immediate appeal for American series. And if they went for a more traditional pit layout, it would give them broader appeal. The problem they have is that the open-air pit is very American, and probably a hold-over from NASCAR and oval racing where pit buildings will obscure the crowd's line of sight.

The problem with Laguna Seca is that it's not a privately owned track(and isnt for sale) so any upgrades have to be funded by tax money(not going to happen) or a very generous company/person (this is how the last upgrade happened, but I wouldn't count on it happening again anytime soon).

Apart from COTA I don't think there are any tracks west of the Mississpi that would be interesting in F1 cars.
 
If Miller had the facilities, that's probably the only track that could, but I doubt anyone in F1 wants to be in Utah of all places.
 
Well, the only other option would be Sonoma, and it has many of the same issues in terms of facilities.


Red Bull turned the A1 Ring around. Likewise Carlos Slim with the Hermanos Rodríguez circuit. Granted, they picked it up for a song, but Laguna Seca could be turned around. If they invested in a new surface, it would increase the immediate appeal for American series. And if they went for a more traditional pit layout, it would give them broader appeal. The problem they have is that the open-air pit is very American, and probably a hold-over from NASCAR and oval racing where pit buildings will obscure the crowd's line of sight.
http://www.thecalifornian.com/story...-maintain-mazda-raceway-laguna-seca/31720801/

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news...-meeting-regarding-mazda-raceway-laguna-seca/
 
You also have it running through the pond, which with California and their water issues, will never happen.
Australians have water issues, too. Do you know what we'd do? Dig another pond.
 
Like @IforceV8 said, Bernie was talking about a second US race. I'd have to watch it again, but I can't remember if he said California spefically, or if he said "west" and the announcers just assumed Cali. Ted Cravitz or whatever actually said Long Beach during the interview, and then realized afterwards that he screwed up :lol: Bernie didn't really react to Long Beach, and we'll never know what he might have said about Leguna Seca.

The other location they mentioned (not with Bernie, afterwards) was a Las Vegas street circuit of some sort:

I love Sonoma as a racetrack, but I don't think it would go well for modern F1. The cars would never get close to each other for 3/4 of the lap because the whole place requires high downforce.
Sonoma is actually graded for F1 testing.
Really? I'm not disputing this, I just find it really suprising. If your talking about the full GP layout, the second to last corner (16 by my count) is pretty damn fast with hardly any runoff and a big-ole wall not far from the track. The pit entrance and layout of the final hairpin is rather sketchy too. If it's the National layout which is graded...no, just no. I hate that configuration. I understand the reasons behind it, but it ruins the third sector, and neuters turn 1. F1 at Sonoma would definitely be a precession...although it's a track where Redbull and maybe Ferrari could threaten Mercedez :lol:
 
If Miller had the facilities, that's probably the only track that could, but I doubt anyone in F1 wants to be in Utah of all places.

Yeah, I didn't include it though since it will probably be a housing development in a few years.:(
 
Looks like the updated list for 2015 has removed Sonoma to grade 2.
 
Yeah, I didn't include it though since it will probably be a housing development in a few years.:(
A subsidiary of Geely of China bought Miller for $20 mil and they plan to invest $270 Mil in the next 10 yrs.
 
A subsidiary of Geely of China bought Miller for $20 mil and they plan to invest $270 Mil in the next 10 yrs.

I'll believe it when I see it.
 
This isn't Australia.
Correct. Y'all will just turn your eyes North and build a pipeline when you get thirsty :p
If Miller had the facilities, that's probably the only track that could, but I doubt anyone in F1 wants to be in Utah of all places.
i originally thought of Miller but forgot while I was typing :dunce: I agree though, aside from skiing and Mt biking, why would anyone want to go to Utah?



Another issue with Leguna Seca to add to the list is I've heard the track is under noise restraints which only get lifted so many times per year. Obviously F1 would work something out, but it could mean another series losing out on the chance to race there.


If they're actually serious about a second US GP, and it's going to be out west, then I think a Vegas street circuit is the best option. F1 and Las Vegas just seem to go together so well.




Unrelated point, going back to the Sky broadcast....did anyone catch the part where they were talking about how they thought a lot of Mexicans came up from Mexico to watch the US GP, but after investigation, found that only 8% of the previous years crowd was actually from Mexico - which everyone found very surprising given that the new Mexico GP sold out in 2 hours. I found myself laughing at the situation...3 British guys puzzled over why more Mexicans don't make the trip across the boarder to watch the race.....clearly, you chaps aren't from around these parts :lol:
 
F1 and Las Vegas just seem to go together so well.
Caesar's Palace was amazing.

No, I think that a second race in the United States needs to be somewhere in the east, not the west. If Boston works for IndyCar, maybe Formula One could steal it away.
 
Watkins Glen just had a very thorough repave. All it needs is more runoff and better pit facilities and it'd be an F1 ready track again.
 
Caesar's Palace was amazing.

No, I think that a second race in the United States needs to be somewhere in the east, not the west. If Boston works for IndyCar, maybe Formula One could steal it away.
Watkins Glen just had a very thorough repave. All it needs is more runoff and better pit facilities and it'd be an F1 ready track again.
I agree with @prisonermonkeys in that a second USGP should really be held in the east somewhere...I think we're talking west just because of what Bernie said.

If Watkins Glen could be upgraded properly, I think it would be amazing. It would certainly be a unique track compared to everything else on the calendar...although, the sweeping corners which make it unique might not be great for modern F1 cars. I would hate to see The Glen turned into a point and squirt track 👎


This is purely going off of pCARS experience :dopey:, but Road America would be un-freakin-real!! If they updated the facilities, increased the run-off after some of the hard breaking zones (and The Kink!), and maybe cut the forest back a bit in a few places, I think it could maybe work? It's probably one of those that would have to change so much that it would lose its character.
 
Road America would need a complete renovation.
 
IThis is purely going off of pCARS experience :dopey:, but Road America would be un-freakin-real!! If they updated the facilities, increased the run-off after some of the hard breaking zones (and The Kink!), and maybe cut the forest back a bit in a few places, I think it could maybe work? It's probably one of those that would have to change so much that it would lose its character.

I agree. It pretty much has the required run offs, and the overall layout and length of the track is well suited for F1. The stretch through the forest is sort of reminiscent of the old Hockenheim. The biggest change would be new pit facilities.

If they were to go the Las Vegas route, I would do it like they do in Singapore, and make it an evening race. Would make for a great setting with all the casino lights blinking away in the background.
 
I agree. It pretty much has the required run offs, and the overall layout and length of the track is well suited for F1. The stretch through the forest is sort of reminiscent of the old Hockenheim. The biggest change would be new pit facilities.

If they were to go the Las Vegas route, I would do it like they do in Singapore, and make it an evening race. Would make for a great setting with all the casino lights blinking away in the background.
A Vegas night race would be pretty cool looking. Much more reasonable temperatures too. I think the broadcast time might be a bit awkward for the rest of the world though?
 
Really? All of those garish casinos and landmarks? No, thank you.
 
The problem with Laguna Seca is that it's not a privately owned track(and isnt for sale) so any upgrades have to be funded by tax money(not going to happen) or a very generous company/person (this is how the last upgrade happened, but I wouldn't count on it happening again anytime soon).

Apart from COTA I don't think there are any tracks west of the Mississpi that would be interesting in F1 cars.

This is where I typically dream of and then get shut down about Watkins Glen. Which would be nice if they could figure out how to open it up a bit more. But as PM talked about in the past a couple years ago the track really doesn't have room to add run off, but one can dream.
 
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