2015 General WEC/ELMS/AsLMS Discussion ThreadSports Cars 

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Why not just take GTE-Am and make it GT3...then you have a massive pool of groups to pick from and invite to Le Mans. From PWC all the way to Blancpain
 
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LMSCorvetteGT2
What? I don't get how the manufactures don't like this yet purposely set up factory cars with GT3 homologation to be raced by satellite teams "that technically" aren't factory teams.
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Maybe in English, he's trying to say that manufacturers don't want GT3 in the WEC...which still sounds stupid as ****. I think the ACO should replace the Am GTE cars with GT3's, it'd help those privateers out.
 
catamount39
Maybe in English, he's trying to say that manufacturers don't want GT3 in the WEC...which still sounds stupid as ****. I think the ACO should replace the Am GTE cars with GT3's, it'd help those privateers out.
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Exactly my point, buying a discount GTE car (year old) still seems expensive compared to a GT3 car. Especially for what just amounts to be a slightly restricted wide body GT3 car in the first place.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Exactly my point, buying a discount GTE car (year old) still seems expensive compared to a GT3 car. Especially for what just amounts to be a slightly restricted wide body GT3 car in the first place.
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Exactly, and the teams wouldn't even have to change manufacturers. Heck Larbre (unless they do in fact change to a Euro factory Corvette team) could run a Corvette still.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Or up the power on the GTE like they should have done years ago to actually make the designation worth the money, rather than playing in fairy-tale world as if the GT3 class didn't exist.
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Also very true. (I changed my post since I had a second thought that just maybe this latest upgrade could actually make them faster)

And I can't imagine the manufacturers wouldn't mind having more of the GTE cars in their hands and not having to deal with the Am drivers crashing them all the time. *coughFerraricough* :p
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
What? I don't get how the manufactures don't like this yet purposely set up factory cars with GT3 homologation to be raced by satellite teams "that technically" aren't factory teams.
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Because they are businesses at the end of the day and they need to make money.

It's been said countless times on mwm when people have asked why don't they get rid of GTE and replace it with GT3 and the answer always is that manufactors want GTE but they don't want GT3 as like for like GTE are closer to the road going counterparts in respect to aero and engines.
 
At the end of the day though, GTE (as much as I love it) still costs a stupendous amount of money compared to GT3, with a ridiculous cost gap. To put it bluntly...an LMP2 costs less than a GTE does it not? I mean we're talking millions of dollars being only marginally faster than a extremely similar GT3 which costs about $450,000-500,000. Heck LMP2's fully loaded are still aren't hitting the millions mark.
 
catamount39
At the end of the day though, GTE (as much as I love it) still costs a stupendous amount of money compared to GT3, with a ridiculous cost gap. To put it bluntly...an LMP2 costs less than a GTE does it not? I mean we're talking millions of dollars being only marginally faster than a extremely similar GT3 which costs about $450,000-500,000. Heck LMP2's fully loaded are still aren't hitting the millions mark.
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Not sure where you're getting millions for a GTE from?
 
GT3 would ruin the championship. I'm sure the grid will explode when you allow GT3, then there is no room for LMP1 to go by. GTAM is not really AM in my eyes, they are just older (at least one year) cars.
 
@Carlos The problem with GTE AMis that the amateurs often get left behind and the top AMS are as good if not better than a lot of the PRO teams.
 
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@Carlos The problem with GTE AMis that the amateurs often get left behind and the top AMS are as good if not better than a lot of the PRO teams.
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So then those AMs should be PRO and some PRO should be AM? I find the whole PRO-AM thing a bit strange to be honest.. After one year in WEC how could you still be considered AM?
 
No they shouldn't be swapped but some AM entries are what they say on the tin but some, cough AMR, have driver line-ups that are almost Pro level anyway.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
Because they are businesses at the end of the day and they need to make money.

It's been said countless times on mwm when people have asked why don't they get rid of GTE and replace it with GT3 and the answer always is that manufactors want GTE but they don't want GT3 as like for like GTE are closer to the road going counterparts in respect to aero and engines.
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No one is saying replace GTE at least not in this moment. Also I wouldn't say they're closer, the Z4 ran the same set up as a GTE homologated car and as a GT3. And more in general outside of that special case, I can't think of a GT3 that doesn't run similar aero and engines.

It's fine if the pro class is GTE and give them more power for the money spent to make them (since they end up costing nearly twice that of the GT3 counter), and allow them to be an experimental development group like they were intended.

At the same time have Am be swapped for a cheaper effect since these are more private teams when you neglect AF Corse and AMR.

In the end...I still don't get your business argument portion, I know what manufactures are and their primary goal, and having the ability to have GT3 cars go to Le Mans in the lesser class from various groups across the world would be helping them make more money.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
No one is saying replace GTE at least not in this moment. Also I wouldn't say they're closer, the Z4 ran the same set up as a GTE homologated car and as a GT3. And more in general outside of that special case, I can't think of a GT3 that doesn't run similar aero and engines.

It's fine if the pro class is GTE and give them more power for the money spent to make them (since they end up costing nearly twice that of the GT3 counter), and allow them to be an experimental development group like they were intended.

At the same time have Am be swapped for a cheaper effect since these are more private teams when you neglect AF Corse and AMR.

In the end...I still don't get your business argument portion, I know what manufactures are and their primary goal, and having the ability to have GT3 cars go to Le Mans in the lesser class from various groups across the world would be helping them make more money.
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It's not my argument is the argument from the manufactors also not sure if you are aware but AMR isn't a factory team all the cars including the pro cars are owned by private individuals and "loaned" back to Prodrive when they need to borrow them to go racing in the WEC.

None of the cars are owned by Prodrive or Aston Martin
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
It's not my argument is the argument from the manufactors also not sure if you are aware but AMR isn't a factory team all the cars including the pro cars are owned by private individuals and "loaned" back to Prodrive when they need to borrow them to go racing in the WEC.

None of the cars are owned by Prodrive or Aston Martin
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They're just built and funded by the two respectively.

Anyways that doesn't matter AM shouldn't have any pro teams that have any bit of factory support is what I'm getting at. That includes but not limited to drivers, engineering resources to help update cars, and any funding. That is why I think a full on GT3 with the mindset it was created for to be a gentlemen class and then allowing these various people all over the globe (as long as they prove they can safely) to race at the 24. However, as I slow down to think about all this I will say that the idea of the FIA having any say in this may cause GT3 to be ruined just due to prior experience.
 
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RACECAR
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Ferrari 488 supposed to be a car that be converted to be a GT3 car or a GTE car?
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Yup. For some extra money the car be can be upgraded by Ferrari into a GTE. It's the only GT3 car which can be upgraded (unsure of the new Porsche GT3).
 
BTW the ELMS finale is at Estoril tomorrow with JOTA, Greaves, and Thieret by TDS all having a chance at the championship. Hopefully the Gibson duo wont turn into G-Drive and try and take out the TDS car. This is also the final auto race for MarcVDS who have a outside chance at the GTE championship. The forecast is for rain all night tonight and during the race tomorrow. Green flag at 7:57 am ET and will be streaming on the ELMS site and Dailymotion http://www.europeanlemansseries.com/en/ http://www.dailymotion.com/ELMS and various TV networks around the world like Motors.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
Which 2 Aston martins do you think are funded by Prodrive and Aston Martin?
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Didn't say they were funded by prodrive but rather built by them with money from Aston. Who owns them after that is beside the point, considering either way when they're raced it's a factory Aston driver in the seat.

My point was clearly missed on some tangent of wanting to correct me about a situation I didn't even bring up which is who owns these cars. The point was that AMR has no reason to give any support to AM teams nor does any other factory team that loans out factory drivers or money. AM should be just a gentlemen concession and pro should be where factory fledged drivers race, and if it were so then the best thing to do would be the allowance of GT3 cars which is the topic not who owns said Aston Martins.
 
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