2015 Italian Grand Prix

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niky
The problem is that you can have the tires up to the correct pressure in the garage (via hotter tire warmers)... but below the correct pressure on the grid.
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I think it's 110C both in the garage and on the grid? The tyres were checked at T-5min so should have been at the correct pressure at that moment.

EDIT: So it is... I could have just read Jo Bauer's statement :D
 
Didn't watch the race; was busy catching up on sleep! So my question is is it worth watching the race, or will it just put me to sleep again? :lol:
 
NOVOCAINE
Didn't watch the race; was busy catching up on sleep! So my question is is it worth watching the race, or will it just put me to sleep again? :lol:
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With the aftermath far from over, it's worth it.
 
GTPorsche
The post-race drama is the most intriguing part of the race.
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And it's keeping me awake when I'm usually going back to sleep since the race starts at 5am here.

I'll just assume Hamilton and Rosberg will be disqualified from the results and hit the hay. I'm sure F1 is loving this, btw. They get to penalize a polarizing driver and team, give the win to Ferrari at Monza and artificially keep the drivers championship closer. NASCAR would be impressed.
 
Massa is finished. He's said "I'm too old for this" THREE times. When you say something like that it's because you think something like that.
 
GTPorsche
This is obviously the workings of Roger Goddell. After his suspension of Tom Brady over the "deflategate" scandal was overturned, he turned his attention to F1 where similar problems were ongoing. :sly:
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It's just that Mercedes aren't easier to catch :)
 
Tired Tyres
Massa is finished. He's said "I'm too old for this" THREE times. When you say something like that it's because you think something like that.
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It will be an incredibly sad day, when he decides to leave F1. But yeah, at his age (37?) I'd start to think about leaving F1 as well.
 
No news from Paddy Lowe outside the stewards... he re-iterated that Mercedes followed all their normal procedures under the supervision of Pirelli, all pretty much as you'd expect.
 
TenEightyOne
How? He didn't make the results... ;)
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Then how can a penalty be applied to Rosberg that is equivalent to a DSQ? I'm certain Hamilton will be fuming if he gets what he feels is a harsher penalty for the same violation.
GTPorsche
This is obviously the workings of Roger Goddell. After his suspension of Tom Brady over the "deflategate" scandal was overturned, he turned his attention to F1 where similar problems were ongoing. :sly:
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A smart career move, IMO. :lol:
 
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If Williams only get a drive-through for running a different compound on 1 corner a time penalty should be applied here rather than a DSQ, if they are found guilty of course.
 
Peasantslayer
If Williams only get a drive-through for running a different compound on 1 corner a time penalty should be applied here rather than a DSQ, if they are found guilty of course.
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Whilst this is true, there is one difference I think. One incident happened during a race and Williams and the FIA already were talking about it as soon as it happened. Overall it would have made the car annoying to drive but not dangerous. On the other hand, the tyre situation happened BEFORE the race as far as I know, which to me would mean an exclusion from results similar to that of Ricciardo in Australia.

On the flip side though, if the FIA penalise teams for breaking the regulations then surely there should be some penalty for Pirelli for:
1) The numerous times they have gotten things wrong (Spa being the latest, though it is all a complex topic)
2) For not informing the team that the tyre pressures are low? How does Pirelli know that Merc didn't have a faulty sensor that was showing it a little higher than it actually was? Under the grounds of safety, as soon as Pirelli knew this they should have told Mercedes. And surely that would have been BEFORE the race. It wasn't like it was a flexi front wing that was pushing limits etc, or a fuel mass flowmeter that was only seen in the race. I think Pirelli should be warned about not telling teams information immediately too, at the very least
 
ECGadget
1) The numerous times they have gotten things wrong (Spa being the latest, though it is all a complex topic)
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Pirelli didn't get anything wrong at Spa. The teams and the FIA did, by allowing the drivers to freely ignore track limits, resulting in a 6000% increase in tyre cuts.

The FIA cleared Pirelli of any wrongdoing and requested further advice from it in order to prevent tyre failures. This resulted in new camber and pressure minimums implemented for Monza.
ECGadget
2) For not informing the team that the tyre pressures are low?
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As far as I'm aware, that's not Pirelli's job. I don't know who measured the on-grid tyre pressures at 5 minutes - this document does not specify - but it appears that whoever it was passed the information (obtained at 13.55) on to the FIA Technical Delegate team. The time from the measurement to the report from Jo Bauer, the FIA Technical Delegate, to the stewards was over an hour (15.07).

I don't see anywhere that Pirelli is implicated in any informational shortcomings.

However, Pirelli has changed its mind twice on what the new pressures should be... First the recommendation was an increase of 5psi all round (from 18psi at Spa to 23psi at Monza). Then that was lowered to 22psi front and 21psi rear on Thursday. That was lowered to 21psi front and 19.5psi rear (an increase of 3 and 1.5 respectively) on Friday.
 
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ECGadget
Whilst this is true, there is one difference I think. One incident happened during a race and Williams and the FIA already were talking about it as soon as it happened. Overall it would have made the car annoying to drive but not dangerous. On the other hand, the tyre situation happened BEFORE the race as far as I know, which to me would mean an exclusion from results similar to that of Ricciardo in Australia.

On the flip side though, if the FIA penalise teams for breaking the regulations then surely there should be some penalty for Pirelli for:
1) The numerous times they have gotten things wrong (Spa being the latest, though it is all a complex topic)
2) For not informing the team that the tyre pressures are low? How does Pirelli know that Merc didn't have a faulty sensor that was showing it a little higher than it actually was? Under the grounds of safety, as soon as Pirelli knew this they should have told Mercedes. And surely that would have been BEFORE the race. It wasn't like it was a flexi front wing that was pushing limits etc, or a fuel mass flowmeter that was only seen in the race. I think Pirelli should be warned about not telling teams information immediately too, at the very least
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1 That was on the teams not Pirelli
2. The FIA did the tyre test under supervision of Pirelli. That one is on the FIA.
 
Interesting result. Either the figures obtained by the FIA test were incorrect or there will be howls of protest from other teams who might like to have taken the same advantage.
 

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