2015 NASCAR Thread - And then there was 1

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Jahgee
I'd say both sides are equally afraid of change, as is human nature.
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From my perspective, those who want change are in the progressive side of things.
For instance, this years' qualifying at the Daytona 500 was a mess (could've been last years, cant quite remember). NASCAR wanted to test out something done around the rest of the world which is multiple cars on track for qualifying, but failed to understand you cant shove a manhole through the hole it's placed on. They, as usual, clearly forgot to think things through and have the cars start in their pit boxes.

Jahgee
Those people who are "open minded to change" are the same people who were opposed to NASCAR adding Green White Checkered finishes
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Actually, NASCAR is the only sport that allows this, and it works well for the task at hand. They don't have advanced telemetry systems to accurately determine where a car is on track in proximity to others due to the fact they still have to look at cameras covering the tracks. And on that point, they still fail at it.

Jahgee
or the Chase.
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I'm quite somewhat sure no one else in this room or anyone on the Internet likes the current chase format.

Jahgee
Both of which are changes that people who you call "NASCAR progressives" said weren't real racing
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To be fair, the chase is a gimick. There's nothing that was wrong with the last format they had, as it clearly worked previously. Commentators of the sport don't even like it. Remember how confusing it was for even them to understand?

Having elimination rounds is worthless if the driver is still on track competing. Otherwise, they still should be eligible to earn points to be champion if they are eligible to race. There is nothing wrong with that format, and there hasn't been for years. Every other motorsport uses that and I don't hear a kerfuffle coming from their fans...

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NASCAR was a joke for not punishing Logano for spinning out Kenseth, NASCAR was a joke for not punishing Harvick for the Dega debacle, NASCAR was a joke for the Dega finish in general (everything that happened, including Harvick), NASCAR was a joke for Martinsville because dealing with Logano and Harvick beforehand along with the biffed restart at Martinsville involving Logano, BK, and Kenseth, and NASCAR looked like a joke for how it penalized Kenseth for what he did when Logano and Harvick both rigged the field as Chasers without penalty. Yes, some of the title changes have been dumb, but they kind of suit the thread since the Chase and NASCAR itself have been especially dumb this year.
 
GTPorsche
Then where does the new driver talent come from?
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In a perfect world, I'd say drivers from other series looking to add NASCAR to a long list of accomplishments. Nowadays? anyone who wanders in with enough money, so to speak
 
AMPMROCKETFANN
In a perfect world, I'd say drivers from other series looking to add NASCAR to a long list of accomplishments. Nowadays? anyone who wanders in with enough money, so to speak
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Yes, the likes of Mario Andretti, AJ Foyt, Mark Donahue, Dan Gurney and others.

Boy, that would piss off some people that post in this thread if drivers from other series came in and raced Cup on a casual basis like those racers did.
 
ukfan758
Why is it that when I omit a few words something sounds familiar?



Why does this sound so much like the ideology the Brian France NASCAR regime likes to persue? Hmmm...
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:lol: that's actually kind of funny.

But if you're trying to make it seem as though I'm attempting to subliminally push some sort of Brian France agenda, or that I even support the direction he has guided NASCAR in, the :lol:x2.....:lol::lol:

Sorry for dragging this on. This was never really about NASCAR for me, more about the human aspect of someone allowing something as small as a thread title change to bother them.

To be honest, I agree with this here
Angel
All I have to say on the whole title thing is this: Look at who runs the thread and compare it to other things he runs. You find a very consistent pattern. Unfortunately, it makes the thread look like a joke, but with the past few weeks, I find it matches the current state of NASCAR, so who knows. My only qualm is that it requires more scrolling through my alerts.
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When I first noticed the title change, I thought it was done to reflect what was happening in NASCAR, and got a chuckle out of it. Now I just ignore it.
 
AnthonyD1993
NASCAR was a joke for not punishing Logano for spinning out Kenseth, NASCAR was a joke for not punishing Harvick for the Dega debacle, NASCAR was a joke for the Dega finish in general (everything that happened, including Harvick), NASCAR was a joke for Martinsville because dealing with Logano and Harvick beforehand along with the biffed restart at Martinsville involving Logano, BK, and Kenseth, and NASCAR looked like a joke for how it penalized Kenseth for what he did when Logano and Harvick both rigged the field as Chasers without penalty. Yes, some of the title changes have been dumb, but they kind of suit the thread since the Chase and NASCAR itself have been especially dumb this year.
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2 dumbs =/= a right...
 
Swagger897
From my perspective, those who want change are in the progressive side of things.
For instance, this years' qualifying at the Daytona 500 was a mess (could've been last years, cant quite remember). NASCAR wanted to test out something done around the rest of the world which is multiple cars on track for qualifying, but failed to understand you cant shove a manhole through the hole it's placed on. They, as usual, clearly forgot to think things through and have the cars start in their pit boxes.
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It was last year's qualifying, which works on every other track. It doesn't work on Superspeedways because NASCAR made the groups too big. I can't quite recall the year, but in the past they've done Nationwide Series qualifying at road courses in groups of 6 or so with each group getting 10 minutes or so, which would be perfect for Superspeedways.
Swagger897
Actually, NASCAR is the only sport that allows this, and it works well for the task at hand. They don't have advanced telemetry systems to accurately determine where a car is on track in proximity to others due to the fact they still have to look at cameras covering the tracks. And on that point, they still fail at it.
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Even if NASCAR had telemetry that blew everything else out of the water, I'd still be a supporter of the GWC, if anything they should remove the limit on attempts
Swagger897
I'm quite sure no one else in this room or anyone on the Internet likes the current chase format.
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I guess this post isn't on the internet (No, I didn't post it) https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/comments/2k6enp/the_new_chase_grid_its_awesome/
Swagger897
To be fair, the chase is a gimick. There's nothing that was wrong with the last format they had, as it clearly worked previously. Commentators of the sport don't even like it. Remember how confusing it was for even them to understand?
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It's not that confusing. Get the most points possible, the bottom 4 in points accumulated among the drivers still in it are eliminated every 3 races, winning a race makes you immune from elimination that round. Highest finishing of those left at Homestead gets the title.
Swagger897
Having elimination rounds is worthless if the driver is still on track competing. Otherwise, they still should be eligible to earn points to be champion if they are eligible to race. There is nothing wrong with that format, and there hasn't been for years. Every other motorsport uses that and I don't hear a kerfuffle coming from their fans...
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The points thing is one of the things I agree with. One of the things NASCAR could do to improve the chase is instead of giving 2000 points at the start of the chase and adding 1000 each round is to give 2000 points at the start and subtract 2000 from the 4 eliminated at the end of each round.

I have an idea of how to radically change the chase, but if I post it I guarantee that it will get mocked, and I'd rather not deal with it.
 
twitcher
:lol: that's actually kind of funny.

But if you're trying to make it seem as though I'm attempting to subliminally push some sort of Brian France agenda, or that I even support the direction he has guided NASCAR in, the :lol:x2.....:lol::lol:

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I apologize if you thought that I was accusing you of pushing the agenda (only the biggest of fanatics fully support what this man is doing), that was not my intention, just joking about the regime's ideology.
 
Jahgee
I guess this post isn't on the internet (No, I didn't post it) https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/comments/2k6enp/the_new_chase_grid_its_awesome/
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I don't feel that it will make huge changes to the end of the standings, only provide more drama throughout the 10-race chase.
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See this... This is why I dropped watching NASCAR for the past few years, until recently to watch it when I get the chance. If they want to make a TV show out of it, fine, because they seem good at making a copy of WWE to get more money to the France family. It's not real racing, and the expressions from the drivers can show that to you.

Jahgee
It's not that confusing. Get the most points possible, the bottom 4 in points accumulated among the drivers still in it are eliminated every 3 races, winning a race makes you immune from elimination that round. Highest finishing of those left at Homestead gets the title.
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You missed the point. It's a TV game show this. You win, you're in. You get more points, you're second, etc... You lose, you're out.

How can you be out, if you are still eligible to race? The answer to that... It's a game show, not a true racing championship format.
 
Could tell that NASCAR is in Arizona this week by the amount of broken down RVs on I-10 this week. Counted 6 today between Tucson and Phoenix. Most of which looked like they were from the 80s. Those things must be the biggest money pits on the planet
 
I would like to see both Xfinity and Sprint Cup to be added to the Eldora Schedule.

Any problems or reasons to why they don't? What do you guys think?
 
Good race going on for the lead. Seems like Crafton has better speed in the center then Jones does.
 
kolio
Any problems or reasons to why they don't? What do you guys think?
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There's no way the facilities could handle a Cup crowd. They could probably handle an Xfinity race, but that may be pushing it.

I would love it if they did a demo run with a cup car prior to the truck race though.
 
Northstar
There's no way the facilities could handle a Cup crowd. They could probably handle an Xfinity race, but that may be pushing it.

I would love it if they did a demo run with a cup car prior to the truck race though.
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Those Xfinity cars would look AWESOME on that. :drool:
 
Ganon83
I'm fine with this Chase format.
I have Gordon, Harvick, Kyle Busch, and Edwards going to Homestead.
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As much as I want Gordon to win, if they are the 4 to have a chance at Homestead, I can see Harvick winning again sadly.

He is the only one of the 4 I wouldn't want to win
 
Crafton:

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Annnd huge wreck involving the championship leaders. That just went horribly wrong.

There goes Sauter's chance of keeping his win streak from every season alive.
 

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