2015 Pirelli Hungarian Grand Prix

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  1. sems4arsenal

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    They just need to give us some action, they already achieved their goal of win 2-3 races this year and will probably finish second in the constructors, next year might see them actually On Par with the Mercs.

    Hope RBR are back too, love seeing them at the front with their exciting drivers.
     
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  2. daan

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    Just curious, did you spot the bit where Sky said that was 100% Hamilton's fault when he went off trying to 'pass' Rosberg?
     
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    That was an exciting race!! Nice to see things mixed up for a change. If the top 4 or 5 teams were closer in performance, man would there be one hell of a fight each race.

    On top of the good racing, we had the Pastor sideshow, always entertaining :lol:

    If they plan on extending some straights at the Hungaroring, what are the chances they could completely straighten out the 6/7 chicane!?!?!? I think if they got rid of those two turns, and maybe reprofiled 8, 9, & 10 to be faster sweepers, the H'Ring could become a really awesome track.
     
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    Pff. Max Verstappen. Jos made the podium in his first race at the Hungaroring...

    Nah, fair play. Those are some great points for him.
     
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  5. ROAD_DOGG33J

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    Congrats to Alonso for winning the race!

    Also, the karma from Spa came back at Nico.

    Or McLaren's version of push to pass
     
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  6. Eva

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    Didn't karma get Nico when he choked up last year's WDC?
     
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  7. niky

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    I would say he got whatever he deserved within the race, already. The WDC loss was less karma than Nico simply not being quick enough consistently enough.

    Nico really got a bum rap this race. I'd say he deserved to lose that podium to Ricciardo, but not to lose that many places.

    Nico's troubles always seem to come when going wheel to wheel, don't they? Alonso in Spa a few years back, Lewis last year... Lucky escape when racing Kimi on the first lap (though that move was completely legal) and then Danny there at the end.

    Also, has Red Bull started making their cars out of solid iron? Ricciardo took more hits than Mike Tyson on a fight night... Kept on going...

     
  8. Furi

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    Something on that car has to not break...
     
  9. prisonermonkeys

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    Yes, I did. But I also noticed that they only did it when they were presented with undeniable evidence. Anyone who watched the GP3 race would know that placing the car where Hamilton did would end in tears. But that was a typical Hamilton over-reaction - he didn't think it through and was over-driving to compensate all race.
     
  10. Furi

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    So if you go off early on you wouldn't push to get back to the front at all?

    The day you stop playing the blame game will be the day Will Stevens wins the world championship.
     
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  11. ukfan758

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    Can we please stop this pro Hamilton/anti-Hamilton non-sense? It infests every single one of these F1 threads from this season and last. This also happened with Vettel when he was dominating. It is plain annoying.

    End rant.
     
  12. prisonermonkeys

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    Not at a corner where you can't pass.

    As for the rest of the race, we've seen it before. It's one of Hamilton's biggest weaknesses - he over-compensates when things go wrong. He should have trusted that he had the best car on the grid and let the race come back to him at the restart, but got caught up with Ricciardo. Conversely, Rosberg kept his head and picked off Raikkonen straight away.

    It's not "playing the blame game" when you're pointing out valid weaknesses in a driver's racecraft. Hamilton had all of these problems - albeit for different reasons - in 2011.
     
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  13. mustafur

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    Rosberg was soo slow it was more about being alone rather then keeping his head.

    Vettel was pulling on him at the start, yet in the middle of the race Hamilton was closing the gap on Vettel with older softs, the pace difference between Rosberg and Hamilton was massive, soo big infact that Hamilton was able to make up all the ground he lost just on pace.

    Ofcourse you won't mention that, your too impartial to say anything positive about Hamilton.:rolleyes:
     
  14. trustjab

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    Lewis probably felt he may have been brake checked in that first lap incident. When he said "Nico crossed my line", it was in the heat of the moment, but he was caught out- imo- by Nico braking slightly early. So he could have got mixed signals and an over reaction by him has him in the grass. His incident with Ricciardo was just an incident imo. Cold tires, a lock up but he hugged the turn as much as possible. Just like Rosberg and Ricc, it was an incident. The officiating was a little inconsistent as well. Penalties and non-penalties for nearly the same thing. Still a great race. Happy for Honda to double score.
     
  15. aarror

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    Disappointed for Rosberg or disappointed with Rosberg? Because he was awful, he had no pace, and the crash with Ricciardo was his fault. It's not like Ricciardo could just disappear.
     
  16. IceMan PJN

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    He hasn't really done anything to earn it. Hamilton pushed too hard and payed for it, but in general he's Rosberg's superior. Hamilton made a complete joke of Rosberg in six rounds Friday and Saturday, three of practice and three qualifying. There was no point where Rosberg was even close to being on par with his better teammate. The wrong Mercedes was following the Ferraris and there's little doubt that had Hamilton been there he'd likely have challenged Ferrari, not drifted away behind them. Had cars went different directions at the start, the entire day could've gone very differently, but fortune smiled upon Rosberg in the opening seconds. It's much like with Monaco, where again Hamilton made a laughingstock of Rosberg right in his home town, and even Rosberg acknowledged Hamilton owned that day, but a questionable call gifted a win to a driver that absolutely did not deserve it and even he knew and admitted as much.

    Until Rosberg actually outperforms Hamilton fair and square, no failures, dumb luck, or Hamilton starting at the back, and not just on rare occasion but on a regular basis, I cannot accept a claim that Rosberg should be leading the championship.
     
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    And it's not like Ricciardo could see Rosberg, know that Rosberg would follow the racing line, and attempt to rejoin the circuit safely.

    No, wait, it was exactly like that.
     
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    The key point there is that Ricciardo never left the circuit. Yes, he was off the racing line, but always within the track limits. He was actually on the rumble strips when the contact was made. You could argue that Nico didn't give him racing room.
     
  19. GTP_Ingram

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    Hamilton, by his own admission, had a dreadful race. His trip across the gravel was his own fault (though I'll admit I needed to see the on-board replay to be sure - isn't "undeniable evidence" great?) and his bump with Ricciardo was too.

    Comparing Rosberg's move on Raikkonen to the Hamilton/Ricciardo incident is silly. Raikkonen was lacking any hybrid power at that stage. If the McLaren Honda was able to breeze by along the straight (which Alonso did), then overtaking him in the Merc isn't really an achievement, is it? Hamilton, on the other hand, was fending off an Option-shod Red Bull with Primes which - assuming they were warm, which they weren't - were as much as two seconds a lap slower. He then completely misjudged his braking and ploughed into Ricciardo.

    It is, as you say "playing the blame game" when you fail to acknowledge two obvious points. First, that Hamilton, despite arguably his worst performance in years, still pulled off one of the overtakes of the season on Massa (which Massa deserves huge credit for too) - a pretty big 'tick' in his racecraft box.

    Second, Rosberg wasn't unlucky and shouldn't be "leading the championship right now". He lost that race because of his bewildering choice to switch to the Prime tyres when he should (and could) have used the Options, a decision he took because he was too busy focussing on Hamilton's race instead of his own. When it comes to making decisions under pressure, it seems like Hamilton wasn't the only one who ballsed up yesterday...
     
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  20. mustafur

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    It was clearly Rosbergs fault, Ricciardo can't just not exist, he was as far as he could be off the line.

    Reasons why Rosberg not leading championship:

    - Can't outqualify Hamilton
    - Can't and hasn't passed Hamilton on track
    - stupidly Slower then Hamilton At Hungary to the point he was Slower then the Ferraris.
    - expects Ricciardo to not exist
    - uses medium tyres at the end to be on same tyres as Hamilton, yet it's the slower tyre and ruins his ability to go for race win.

    @prisonermonkeys please go on about sky bias once more, it's really funny when your the one claiming someone has bias.
     
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  21. Barra333

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    Oh, @mustafur, while you are here, how about that link in my sig? :sly:
     
  22. mustafur

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    Lol, to be fair Hamilton was still fastest, i did say mercedes as a whole.
     
  23. prisonermonkeys

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    And that means Rosbeeg should take a bigger penalty? Even if he made mistakes, he still hed the better race.
     
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    Another prime example why one should become premium.
     
  25. sems4arsenal

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    How was Nico's pace on the mediums compared to everyone else?
     
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    Rosberg only made one mistake in wheel-to-wheel racing, yes, but he was significantly slower than the other top runners on mediums... which is why it's baffling that he went onto them for the last stint... considering softer tires typically last longer in late race situations than in mid-race situations due to the track rubbering in and the lighter fuel load.

    He just didn't have the balance or the pace to take the fight to the others... He lucked into the podium when Hamilton got squeezed out in the middle at the first corner, but other than that, he lost position to Kimi and simply drove a relatively slow race in clear air from then on... except when he passed Kimi after the Ferrari lost power.
     
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    I don't even think the contact with Ricciardo could be called Rosberg's mistake. It was a racing incident, but if you had to apportion blame, it was Ricciardo's fault. He was the one who went off, and the onus is on him to rejoin safely. He had to know that he was rejoining right at the point where the racing line moved over to the extreme left of the circuit.

    As for the tyres, I'm sure Rosberg was aware of the deficit. He no doubt had his reasons for staying on the compound, even if he didn't disclose them.
     
  28. Tired Tyres

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    Really? Show me where Ricciardo goes off. You can't. Take the Rosberg rose tints off.



    Both Mercedes drivers had bad races. Hamilton through two mistakes and a dose of good luck and Rosberg with his complete lack of pace and that incident.
     
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  29. daan

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    What race were you watching? Ricciardo took a tighter line so he ran wide, but at no point did he leave the track.

    It's one thing having a weird outlook on things, but that is just plain incorrect.
     
  30. GTP_Ingram

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    "Penalty" is an odd choice of word for someone picking up a puncture. It isn't like each driver has a quota of luck tokens they can redeem throughout the season. It wasn't a penalty, it was an event which happened through his own choice. He got his tyre sliced in what was - in my opinion - a 50/50 incident. Rosberg could have given Ricciardo more room, but he chose not to. Ricciardo could have backed off, but he assumed he would was going to be offered more space, so he didn't. There are certain drivers you can get away with slamming the door on, and Ricciardo isn't one of them.

    The fact is that there are races where Rosberg is very closely matched to for Hamilton. Some races, like Austria, he was better than him. At Hungary, on the other hand, he was plain slow all weekend.