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Blood Eagle
To be fair, NASCAR also gave Tony a Chase waiver when he broke his leg but he couldn't get it done. I'm not accusing you of believing NASCAR changed the rules for Kyle Busch but it seems to be popular opinion for a lot of people. Tony was the first to get the waiver.
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And Denny Hamlin, and Kurt Busch, and Brian Vickers.... No driver who has applied for the waiver has been rejected.
 
ButtKick
It's because of last years nonsense that I'm ready to stop watching Nascar.
I like Kyle Busch, I think he's definitely a Championship Caliber driver.

My problem is how are we going to call him the 2015 Champion when he missed over a Month of racing.
The way this Chase works, We're crowning a Homestead Champion.

As much as I dislike Harvick, He should have 2 Championships.



My problem is less the Chase Waiver and more the Chase itself.
I just cant stand the fact that a man who misses multiple races can be crowned the Champion of that year.

A Champion should be crowned by the points he accumulates over a Year long battle.
In my opinion the Championship doesn't mean as much now.
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I agree the Chase is weird. Theoretically, a driver can win every race of the season and finish behind the 3 other chase drivers at Homestead and finish 4th in the final standings. However, it's not going anywhere so it's either deal with it or not watch. NASCAR is kinda damned if they do and damned if they don't with fans currently.
 
Blood Eagle
I read that earlier. Spot on. Also applies to my comment that NASCAR is damned if they do and damned if they don't with fans right now.
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Yeah, your post is what made me remember that it was written yesterday
 
Blood Eagle
I agree the Chase is weird. Theoretically, a driver can win every race of the season and finish behind the 3 other chase drivers at Homestead and finish 4th in the final standings. However, it's not going anywhere so it's either deal with it or not watch. NASCAR is kinda damned if they do and damned if they don't with fans currently.
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You are a 100% right, Damned if they do, Damned if they Don't.

But, So are the fans, This is something I grew up watching. I haven't missed a race since I was 9 years old.
This is one of the greatest motor sports in the world and now the racing is as good as it's been in a long, long time with this low downforce package, But now The Championship has become a joke. Plus not to mention the horrible ideas floating through the lower divisions like the Caution Clock and the Heat Races which could potentially end up in Sprint Cup.
I understand TV ratings have took a hit and the stands are empty, But gimmick after gimmick doesn't seem to be making this any better.


Personally I'm really hoping this year the 4 Championship Contenders wreck each other at Homestead.
I think if the 4 Contenders finish 40th-43rd respectively and we decide the Championship like that. Maybe then Brian France will pop his head out of his a** and go back to a Points Championship.

Although even that's giving Brian France a bit more credit then I think he deserves.

Okay, Rant Complete.
 
ButtKick
You are a 100% right, Damned if they do, Damned if they Don't.

But, So are the fans, This is something I grew up watching. I haven't missed a race since I was 9 years old.
This is one of the greatest motor sports in the world and now the racing is as good as it's been in a long, long time with this low downforce package, But now The Championship has become a joke. Plus not to mention the horrible ideas floating through the lower divisions like the Caution Clock and the Heat Races which could potentially end up in Sprint Cup.
I understand TV ratings have took a hit and the stands are empty, But gimmick after gimmick doesn't seem to be making this any better.


Personally I'm really hoping this year the 4 Championship Contenders wreck each other at Homestead.
I think if the 4 Contenders finish 40th-43rd respectively and we decide the Championship like that. Maybe then Brian France will pop his head out of his a** and go back to a Points Championship.

Although even that's giving Brian France a bit more credit then I think he deserves.

Okay, Rant Complete.
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Believe me I agree. Been watching since the 80's. However, I'm not about to write off NASCAR and will watch until they go belly up or I die. Whichever comes first. I may not agree with everything but accept it for what it is. NASCAR needs fan support to survive and I'll do my best to give it to them ratingswise.
 
Blood Eagle
Believe me I agree. Been watching since the 80's. However, I'm not about to write off NASCAR and will watch until they go belly up or I die. Whichever comes first. I may not agree with everything but accept it for what it is. NASCAR needs fan support to survive and I'll do my best to give it to them ratingswise.
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Fair enough.
It just bothers me because I feel like with Brian France at the helm it will go Belly up before we Die.
 
Carbonox
So you're not OK with Busch getting a waiver and ultimately winning the title, but Harvick deliberately causing a wreck to advance to the next Cha$e round is fine and dandy?
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As I said I don't like Harvick, I'm not going to justify what he did. I agree it was ridiculous, But everyone has to realize that wreck was another fine example of this Chase Format mucking up the Championship. He was doing what he "thought" he had to.

However, If we were on a proper Points Championship instead of the stupid Chase format that wouldn't of happened. As there wouldn't of been eliminations.

Like I said in a previous post, My problem isn't with Kyle Busch or anyone getting the Waiver. It's the Chase Format in general and the fact that it allows someone who missed over a month of racing to cheat the system and possibly win the Championship.

I understand the point your trying to make and I agree, But I'd appreciate you not trying to put words in my mouth.
 
I wonder what would've happened if Ryan Newman won the first "New" Chase without winning a single race in 2014...?

I do agree that the Chase format is hurting NASCAR more than it's helping, because while there's an amazing amount of media coverage on the last 10 races of the year, the first 26 are flagging behind in ticket sales outside of the Daytona 500 and maybe the Brickyard 400.
 
Tony's training to be the Mark Cuban of NASCAR. Hell, in some aspects, he already is the Mark Cuban of NASCAR. :lol:
 
I'm assuming it's about his comments on 4 lug nuts the other day. NASCAR silently fined the 2 a few years ago for saying the new fuel injection was dumb.
 
ButtKick
Like I said in a previous post, My problem isn't with Kyle Busch or anyone getting the Waiver. It's the Chase Format in general and the fact that it allows someone who missed over a month of racing to cheat the system and possibly win the Championship.
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To be honest, the chase itself has made the regular season useless. Unless you at least win a race, it matters little outside of the same tracks that are in it so the wavers in a way don't even make that massive of a difference, they are only serve to further highlight how useless the regular season is.
 
I can see both sides. NASCAR isn't a Democracy and with shrinking attendance, it looks pretty bad for a driver to publicly criticize the organization. That's your meal ticket.
 
They have the right to do it but why? If you disagree with what he said you just gave more attention to it. Nobody was talking about it today after Tony announced he was coming back, but they just brought it back to the forefront of today's news.
 
I'll put it in an example and use GTP as the example. If you agree to the terms to join the site and violate the AUP, you'll be banned. But what about freedom of speech? Simple, you agreed to the AUP and it's not a Democracy. These fines are to deter other's from following suit and publicly criticizing the organization. Making an example out of someone if you will.
 
RACECAR
To be honest, the chase itself has made the regular season useless. Unless you at least win a race, it matters little outside of the same tracks that are in it so the wavers in a way don't even make that massive of a difference, they are only serve to further highlight how useless the regular season is.
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As I said in the post you quoted, my problems aren't really with the Waiver, More the Chase in General.

Hypothetical situation:
Guy in 16th who has competed in every race is fighting to be top 16 to earn a Chase spot. Now all of a sudden he gets bumped by a guy who missed over a month has 1 win and is sitting in 29th in the points.

Does that seem fair ?
That's the biggest part the Waiver can really play in affecting the Championship and in 2015 something similar to that happened with Kyle Busch and he ended up winning the Championship because of it.

Going into Richmond (The final race before the Chase 2015)

Kyle Busch had 4 wins and was 27th in Points.
(I don't know where he would have been after Richmond points wise, But it certainly wouldn't have been top 16.)

So by being 20-something in points with a Waiver He bumped whoever was in the 16th Chase Spot who raced all year and deserved a shot at the Championship.

If it wasn't for this Chase Format though, None of that would have mattered though. Kyle Busch never would have been close to the Championship on points alone, But the Waiver and the Chase system resetting points after Richmond allowed him to essentially restart his fight for the Championship. Plus by having 4 wins he became the 2nd seed going into the Chase. Earning bonus points for each regular season win.

He essentially went from 20's in points to 2nd seed in the Chase because a Waiver.

He's the 2015 Chase Champion, But only because of the Chase and the Waiver he was given.
If not for the Waiver at best he would have been 17th in points at the end of the Year.

The waiver is a problem, But the Chase as a whole is what allowed that nonsense to take place.

Behold, The great Wall of Text.
 
I'd like to see if the 4, 10, 14 and 41 have used the 4 lug strategy at any point this season. If so, it seems a little hypocritical to criticize now.
 
L8 Apex
Switching to center-lock wheels would make lots of sense, as would adding pit lane speed limiter buttons. NASCAR is literally the only major circuit racing sanctioning body without them, AFAIK, and both would help more races be decided on track rather than in the pits, which I would assume is what most fans would prefer.
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Single lugs would be a great idea, as would the pitlane speed limiter. And they wouldn't be that expensive to outfit I'd say.
 

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