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If NASCAR wants to allow the teams to use only four lug nuts, at least let them use wheels that only have four lugs. It's kind of scary that something that rotates that fast and supports so much weight and G-forces is not balanced.
 
I'll put it in an example and use GTP as the example. If you agree to the terms to join the site and violate the AUP, you'll be banned. But what about freedom of speech? Simple, you agreed to the AUP and it's not a Democracy. These fines are to deter other's from following suit and publicly criticizing the organization. Making an example out of someone if you will.

Yeah but disagreeing with a certain way something works on GTP doesn't result in a temporary ban, unless you are breaking rules. If I think a certain activity on GTP is harmful and speak out, then I'm not going to get banned unless I did something violating AUP. Any other racing series a driver were to say "well you know this isn't safe and the sport needs to act" wouldn't have got this outcome. Hell Bernie would be able to cut track owner fees based on the sheer number of tire complaints drivers in F1 have had the past 5 years alone, if the FOM and FIA fined them.

When Tony joined NASCAR along with others he agreed to race, follow the guidelines such as to not cheat or do things that would ban him from racing in the series. No where is there a clause that you will not talk about a dangerous action NASCAR has yet to resolve or even try to. It's yet again patchy punishment by a system without a paddle.


Also on another point to the topic, what if all the gimmicks are the reason numbers have never gone back up in tv views and ticket sales? Bare with me now, what if actually going back to a realistic and normal championship set up was what people wanted all along. I mean I recall that the numbers for NASCAR were jumping up quite high during the early 00s and even late 90s and then the chase comes around and a couple years later it falls, and many suggested it was due to the housing bubble burst and market crash.

Yet now that people are at a point where they can actually buy tickets or even broadcasting to watch races, the number still don't peak at where they were during the early 00s. It seems to me a gimmick here and there is just pushing people further and further away.

If NASCAR wants to allow the teams to use only four lug nuts, at least let them use wheels that only have four lugs. It's kind of scary that something that rotates that fast and supports so much weight and G-forces is not balanced.

Also if they really want to cry and moan (teams abusing it) then why not force the hand of NASCAR and get center locking hubs. Like all other racing series out there, you could still design the wheel to look like that of current just with a center lock instead. Then no one will claim foul for obvious reasons.

EDIT: Also section 12 of the NASCAR rule book is a joke, and shouldn't be defend in my eyes by any of us who have followed the sport for any duration with appeal.
 
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Also if they really want to cry and moan (teams abusing it) then why not force the hand of NASCAR and get center locking hubs. Like all other racing series out there, you could still design the wheel to look like that of current just with a center lock instead. Then no one will claim foul for obvious reasons.
I'm not against center hubs, but I do find F1 pit stops to be very boring. Well...
no more boring than the races.
 
I'm not against center hubs, but I do find F1 pit stops to be very boring. Well...
no more boring than the races.

Pit stops in F1 are boring? I find it pretty entertaining to see if the team got the strategy right and watching a car on a pit limiter try to beat a car starting down the back straight, only for both to end up fighting for a spot at the first or second corner in a game of crucial track position.

Just as much as I enjoy watching teams try to beat each other during a full on lead lap green pit stop, in the pits. Or under caution. The actual entertainment value wont be lost just because you eliminated 4 lugs (or 3 depending on the team :sly:). Teams still vary pit stop in speed as F1 clearly shows, also f1 doesn't have fueling so the comparison is a miss.
 
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About 8 posts on Carl Edwards win and 100 about lugnuts and ugly billboards on wheels. No wonder I stopped looking at this weeks ago
 
That's a sweet AspenDental car for Danica Patrick. Maybe the 2nd best-looking race car she's ever raced. The top honor goes to that black with turquoise accents Motorola IndyCar back in her IndyCar Series days.

So Mother Nature ruined most of the activity at Richmond this afternoon. That will screw up a lot of the schedule for Richmond. I just hope Mother Nature doesn't screw up a lot more of the weekend action at Richmond...
 
It's supposed to rain tonight but be clear tomorrow and Sunday. Nobody turned very many laps in practice today. 2 more practices to go.
 
Oh goodness :lol:

Edited: Voted, only vote I'm casting this year. Dewmocracy© FTW :lol:
 
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So I read that they are re-evaluating the Lug nut rule.

If they decided to change the Lug Nut rule because of all the drivers comments would Stewart or the Driver Council still have to pay the fine ?

I think it's funny that they penalized Tony Stewart, But the other drivers who've said essentially the same thing all year long have had nothing happen.

Earnhardt Jr in particular has made a lot of comments. He hasn't worded anything quite as brash as Tony, But it was essentially the same message.
 
As I said in the post you quoted, my problems aren't really with the Waiver, More the Chase in General.

Hypothetical situation:
Guy in 16th who has competed in every race is fighting to be top 16 to earn a Chase spot. Now all of a sudden he gets bumped by a guy who missed over a month has 1 win and is sitting in 29th in the points.

Does that seem fair ?
That's the biggest part the Waiver can really play in affecting the Championship and in 2015 something similar to that happened with Kyle Busch and he ended up winning the Championship because of it.

Going into Richmond (The final race before the Chase 2015)

Kyle Busch had 4 wins and was 27th in Points.
(I don't know where he would have been after Richmond points wise, But it certainly wouldn't have been top 16.)

So by being 20-something in points with a Waiver He bumped whoever was in the 16th Chase Spot who raced all year and deserved a shot at the Championship.

If it wasn't for this Chase Format though, None of that would have mattered though. Kyle Busch never would have been close to the Championship on points alone, But the Waiver and the Chase system resetting points after Richmond allowed him to essentially restart his fight for the Championship. Plus by having 4 wins he became the 2nd seed going into the Chase. Earning bonus points for each regular season win.

He essentially went from 20's in points to 2nd seed in the Chase because a Waiver.

He's the 2015 Chase Champion, But only because of the Chase and the Waiver he was given.
If not for the Waiver at best he would have been 17th in points at the end of the Year.

The waiver is a problem, But the Chase as a whole is what allowed that nonsense to take place.

Behold, The great Wall of Text.
They told him to make the top 30 in points, and he did. It was Nascar's fault he was injured because of the unprotected wall he crashed into. Why would you want someone in 16th place in points in the chase anyway? They're more than likely going to be put out in the first round. KB finished top 10, top 5 in nearly every chase race and then won the last race. That's clutch and he fully deserved the title last year.
 
That, and with the fact that the team was pretty competitive most of the time with the relief drivers, I would say the spread between him and everyone else last season would have been far, far bigger if he wasn't injured. He pretty much cakewalked everyone when he returned as is.
 
You can already tell the driver council has more power day to day than the RTA. Yes NASCAR changed their payout system for the RTA but they didn't give them more of what they really wanted (that sweet TV money) and three less slow cars in the field hasn't really effected the racing.

With the driver council, we have seen the rise of the low downforce package, different GWC rules and NASCAR generally being much more open about changes. When's the last time somebody openly criticized them on an issue, they fine him, and then literally a day later announce they are looking into the issue? They would never publicly do that before
 
@trustjab

I definitely agree that the guy 16th in points would be more likely to be eliminated Round 1 in the Chase, But does that make it fair to him to get bumped out of the Chase by a guy who missed a bunch of races and is around 27th in points ?

Your right he made a brilliant comeback winning 5 races and did earn the Championship by the Chases standards by Winning the last race of the year. But Points wise he was outscored by Joey Logano and Kevin Harvick for all 25 races he did participate in. Not to mention the points they scored while he was out healing.

Kyle Busch returned at Charlotte
So all these stats are from Charlotte on

Kyle Busch
From Charlotte on Prior to chase
4 wins in 15 races
8 top 5s in 15 races
9 top 10s in 15 races
From Charlotte to the Final race of the Chase
5 wins in 25 races
14 top 5s in 25 races
16 top 10s in 25 races

Joey Logano
From Charlotte on Prior to chase
2 wins in 15 races
10 top 5s in 15 races
11 top 10s in 15 races
From Charlotte to the Final race of the Chase
5 wins in 25 races
16 top 5s in 25 races
18 top 10s in 25 races


Kevin Harvick
From Charlotte on Prior to chase
0 wins in 15 races
10 top 5s in 15 races
12 top 10s in 15 races
From Charlotte to the Final race of the Chase
1 win in 25 races
15 top 5s in 25 races
18 top 10s in 25 races

Its ridiculous that Winning one race at the end of the year can determine the Champion of an entire Season.

If this was the old points style format, 2015 would have been a dogfight between Harvick and Logano. Kyle Busch would have been a miraculous comeback with the 5 Wins and would of finished the Year around 17th in points.

I originally thought Harvick would have been the Champion of 2015 points wise, But looking at it again, Logano might have had it. I don't care enough to break it down that far and actually figure it out though, being that this is all hypothetical. My point being though, This Chase format is a silly way to determine a Champion.
 
You can already tell the driver council has more power day to day than the RTA. Yes NASCAR changed their payout system for the RTA but they didn't give them more of what they really wanted (that sweet TV money) and three less slow cars in the field hasn't really effected the racing.

With the driver council, we have seen the rise of the low downforce package, different GWC rules and NASCAR generally being much more open about changes. When's the last time somebody openly criticized them on an issue, they fine him, and then literally a day later announce they are looking into the issue? They would never publicly do that before
Ok, I watch the races and have my favorites, but I had to google RTA and Driver Council to see what they were. I remembered the Driver Council, because I read the chipped in on the fine.

But look here. This is Hamlin explaining that action on NASCAR.com. NASCAR seems to be supporting the Driver Council.

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...hamlin-tony-stewart-fine-drivers-council.html
 
If this was the old points style format, 2015 would have been a dogfight between Harvick and Logano. Kyle Busch would have been a miraculous comeback with the 5 Wins and would of finished the Year around 17th in points.

I originally thought Harvick would have been the Champion of 2015 points wise, But looking at it again, Logano might have had it. I don't care enough to break it down that far and actually figure it out though, being that this is all hypothetical. My point being though, This Chase format is a silly way to determine a Champion.
Jayski keeps track of these things.

http://www.jayski.com/news/pages/story/_/page/NASCAR-Sprint-Cup-Chase-2015#classic
 
Been reading the past few posts in here. Just wanna get my thoughts down on paper...er...print. i teod to the liken the Chase, formats, past and now, as a style that a driver/team should have to be sucessful in them. The orihinal format in my book, was more about consistency. You didn't have to go out and win every week to be competitive, if you ran top 5 or top 10, you had a decent chance of making it to Homestead with a shot, since you avoided catastrophy, and were rewarded with keeping your cars intact. The new format heavily focuses on wins, not just in the regular season, but in the final ten races as well. We saw with Kurt Busch last year, he ran up front for most of the season, and had many top fives and tens. Come Martinsville, that simply wasn't enough. The points were too close to run top ten, you wither had to finish 2nd or 3rd, or go out and win a race. As much as we all gripe about this format, if you want to win the Championship, you need to be winning races. Pulling a Jimmie Johnson and finishing fourth every week simply isn't going to cut it anymore.

Regarding Kyle Busch, I try not to look at it as a Championship for him, but for his team. We all saw what the pit crew, Adam Stephens, and the whole of JGR went through. Sure, they had some rough races, but they had some phenominal races before Busch came back; take the Martinsville spring race for example. Ragan, who I belive finished 5th, had a chance to win that race, and he was a relife driver! I mean, those guys busted their rear ends waiting for Kyle to get in the car again, and judging by the way he preformed, he wanted to be in that car again. Being out of the thing fot four months seemed to give him a new appriciation on life and what he does.

Buech has always been a super agressive driver. He was, and still isn't, happy with finishing second. He knows he can win, and pushes himself to do so, even when the car can't. Remember how I said that wins matter more than ever? Well, there's your reasoning. Put a guy who refuses to lose in a spot where he has to win, and he'll show you what he's made of. Put a consistant guy like Johnson in a spot where he has to be consistent, and that's he'll do. We saw that from '05 to '11. Think of it like a baseball game. If you change it from three strike outs to one strike out, you've changed the rule to were someone will excel, other will not. I believe that's exactly what we've seen over the course of the past few years.

Sorry about the ramble, but those are just my feelings on the matter.
 
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