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So how many points and how much $$ will the princess be fined for leaving her car and walking onto the track?


Yea, I was kinda thinking the same thing. I also thought it kinda peculiar that no one said anything about it. :odd: I know you are aloud to get out of your car if its on fire but you are not supposed to leave the area where your car is. She clearly walked up to the track to give Kahne the business, which is where she broke the rules the way I see it. As someone who has come to Danicas defense in the past, even I say she needs to get punished for what she did. If she doesn't, then that is clearly favoritism or however you want to put it. If the rules have changed on this matter and I somehow missed it, then please disregard my comments here.
 



I know you are aloud to get out of your car if its on fire but you are not supposed to leave the area where your car is. She clearly walked up to the track to give Kahne the business, which is where she broke the rules the way I see it.

Her car owner should be able to give her all kinds of great advice about how important it is to stay the hell off of a live race track.
 
I'm no Danica fan, but...

Safety crews were on the scene, cars were down to caution speeds, and when she showed her displeasure to Kahne, she was a safe distance away from the cars going by.
 
Link to the rule.

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...ar-on-track-incident-procedure-announced.html

Text. I have bolded the part of the rule that I feel she broke.


During an Event, if a racecar is involved in an on track incident and/or is stopped on or near the racing surface and unable to continue to make forward progress, unless extenuating emergency conditions exist with the racecar (i.e. fire, smoke in cockpit, etc.) the driver should take the following steps:

· Shut off electrical power and, if driver is uninjured, lower window net

· Do not loosen , disconnect or remove any driver personal safety equipment until directed to do so by safety personnel or a NASCAR/Track Official

· After being directed to exit the racecar, the driver should proceed to either the ambulance, other vehicle, or as otherwise directed by safety personnel or a NASCAR/Track Official

· At no time should a driver or crew member(s) approach any portion of the racing surface or apron

· At no time should a driver or crew member(s) approach another moving vehicle

All vehicles not involved in the incident or that are able to continue afterwards should slow down to a cautious speed as outlined in Section 10-4 (Yellow Flag), use extreme care as they approach an incident scene, and follow any directions given by safety personnel or NASCAR/Track Officials. Cars in line behind the safety car should not weave or otherwise stray from the line in the vicinity of the incident.


@Adamgp You say she stayed on the apron. According to the rule, she should have never even approached the apron. If I remember correctly, she stopped in the grass where she should have stayed.


Here is a link to the video of the whole incident. She stopped in the grass and clearly walked up on the apron. She should have just stayed her ass in the grass area. The way I see it, what she did was wrong and clearly a violation of the rule.

http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/danica-patrick-is-super-mad-after-crash-with-kasey-kahn-1766060922


Also, definition of apron as taken from the following link.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/icons/news/story?page=nascar101/glossary

Apron: The paved portion of the racetrack that separates the
racing surface from the infield. While listening to a race, you'll hear announcers talk about drivers shooting down on the apron. Now you'll know what they mean.
 
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She approached the apron after safety crews were on the scene and the cars slowed down behind the pace car.

The rules also state if you are involved in a wreck and are unable to continue on, you must take a ride in the ambulance and go to the infield care center. The ambulance was on the apron.
 
Got to see the last 80 laps after a 5 hour roadtrip, great racing all over the track 👍 ( imo I saw the kahne patrick crash as just a racing incident, also awesome job by chase today getting his first top 5 :D)​
 
She approached the apron after safety crews were on the scene and the cars slowed down behind the pace car.

The rules also state if you are involved in a wreck and are unable to continue on, you must take a ride in the ambulance and go to the infield care center. The ambulance was on the apron.


It doesn't matter if she approached the apron after the safety crews were there or not. Rule states she is not supposed to approached the apron at all. And yes, she had to go on the apron to get in the ambulance, that is true. But, she broke the rule when she approached the apron unattended to show her displeasure with Kahne. I think the safety workers might also be partialy at fault here for not immediately grabbing her up and ushering her into the ambulance in the first place. Instead, the one safety worker just let her walk right on by on her way up on the apron. He should have grabbed her up and ushered her into the ambulance. Your argument doesn't hold any water as she walked right passed the ambulance to show her displeasure with Kahne. I've stuck up for her before, but this time she was clearly in the wrong and violated a safety rule. A rule, as was said earlier, that her boss is all too familiar with.
 
It doesn't matter if she approached the apron after the safety crews were there or not. Rule states she is not supposed to approached the apron at all. And yes, she had to go on the apron to get in the ambulance, that is true. But, she broke the rule when she approached the apron unattended to show her displeasure with Kahne. I think the safety workers might also be partialy at fault here for not immediately grabbing her up and ushering her into the ambulance in the first place. Instead, the one safety worker just let her walk right on by on her way up on the apron. He should have grabbed her up and ushered her into the ambulance. Your argument doesn't hold any water as she walked right passed the ambulance to show her displeasure with Kahne. I've stuck up for her before, but this time she was clearly in the wrong and violated a safety rule. A rule, as was said earlier, that her boss is all too familiar with.

Still don't think she did anything wrong. We will see Tuesday if any penalties are issued, but I doubt it.
 
At least he owned it up.

I don't really like when NASCAR bend the rules for their interest but in this case I believe a blind eye wouldn't be bad tbh. Danica had all the right to be upset and showing her displeasure there really far away from the cars (about 3-4 lines counting the apron), I guess a blind eye doesn't hurt. If they call some penalty on her that's fair game and sticking to the rules. Both outcomes would be a thumbs up from me.
 
Here are two stills showing she was clearly passed the ambulance, on the apron.


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The way NASCAR has been operating presently with their inconsistencies and such, you are probably right, nothing will even be said....just because its Danica. In my opinion though and the way I interpret this rule, she clearly violated the rule and should be reprimanded. Just because NASCAR may "overlook" this though, doesn't mean she didn't break the rule. I will be putting this in my pocket for future incidences and we'll see just how consistent/fair NASCAR is. There might even be something similar that happened in the past since this rule was implemented to show this. I may do some research tomorrow. At any rate, I believe she broke the rule, period.

@Michelin Just seen your post and you couldn't be more wrong here. NASCAR turning a blind eye to a safety issue is purely and utterly wrong. Anything could have happened at the point and time to where she was at and she could have been severely injured a worse. I've seen some pretty bizarre things happen under caution and she was just putting herself in harms way. She should have never been allowed to go past that ambulance. Just because she was wronged in this situation doesn't make it alright for her to do what she did. She clearly violated a very serious safety rule and in no way should she be given a pass for any reason.
 
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Great run for Chase. And Stenhouse looks much improved this year. While he finished slightly better than he probably should have today, he was still right around the top 10 most of the day. I'm not sure what happened to Dillon on that last pit stop. He came in 10th, then as he started to leave his pit stall, he suddenly stopped. The commentators made no mention of it. He deserved a much better finish than what he got. Anyone know what happened to him?
 
Great run for Chase. And Stenhouse looks much improved this year. While he finished slightly better than he probably should have today, he was still right around the top 10 most of the day. I'm not sure what happened to Dillon on that last pit stop. He came in 10th, then as he started to leave his pit stall, he suddenly stopped. The commentators made no mention of it. He deserved a much better finish than what he got. Anyone know what happened to him?
Pit gun broke on the Left Rear. Didn't get the lugs on.
 
Great run for Chase. And Stenhouse looks much improved this year. While he finished slightly better than he probably should have today, he was still right around the top 10 most of the day. I'm not sure what happened to Dillon on that last pit stop. He came in 10th, then as he started to leave his pit stall, he suddenly stopped. The commentators made no mention of it. He deserved a much better finish than what he got. Anyone know what happened to him?

I'm guessing they probably left a wrench in the window or something.

Edit: tree'd
 
Gotta say that I really enjoyed the race today, personal favorite so far.

Also I think Kyle Busch probably had the worst luck ever for what happened in both Xfinity and Sprint races. :lol:
 
There seems to be a pattern here.

If I watch = race is boring.
If I don't watch = race is exciting.

All I saw today was because I saw a tweet about it and TV delay meant I could switch in time to actually see it. Like Larson's crash, and Danica's crash. I later see that there's a 6 car battle for the llead, so I turn back again and it's gone dead by the time I switch to Fox. Then I saw that Elliott was moving up through the field at the end so I turned it on to see he was 6 seconds out of the lead with 15 to go, so I went back to NCAA tourney. Then I see the Kyle has a tire issue and a caution comes out so I think "great, this will be interesting", so I turn back and on the restart Jimmie takes the lead and nothing else happens.
 
There seems to be a pattern here.

If I watch = race is boring.
If I don't watch = race is exciting.

All I saw today was because I saw a tweet about it and TV delay meant I could switch in time to actually see it. Like Larson's crash, and Danica's crash. I later see that there's a 6 car battle for the llead, so I turn back again and it's gone dead by the time I switch to Fox. Then I saw that Elliott was moving up through the field at the end so I turned it on to see he was 6 seconds out of the lead with 15 to go, so I went back to NCAA tourney. Then I see the Kyle has a tire issue and a caution comes out so I think "great, this will be interesting", so I turn back and on the restart Jimmie takes the lead and nothing else happens.

#GTPorsche should never watch Nascar :p

EH Teams first ever hashtag right here.
 
Here are two stills showing she was clearly passed the ambulance, on the apron.


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The way NASCAR has been operating presently with their inconsistencies and such, you are probably right, nothing will even be said....just because its Danica. In my opinion though and the way I interpret this rule, she clearly violated the rule and should be reprimanded. Just because NASCAR may "overlook" this though, doesn't mean she didn't break the rule. I will be putting this in my pocket for future incidences and we'll see just how consistent/fair NASCAR is. There might even be something similar that happened in the past since this rule was implemented to show this. I may do some research tomorrow. At any rate, I believe she broke the rule, period.

@Michelin Just seen your post and you couldn't be more wrong here. NASCAR turning a blind eye to a safety issue is purely and utterly wrong. Anything could have happened at the point and time to where she was at and she could have been severely injured a worse. I've seen some pretty bizarre things happen under caution and she was just putting herself in harms way. She should have never been allowed to go past that ambulance. Just because she was wronged in this situation doesn't make it alright for her to do what she did. She clearly violated a very serious safety rule and in no way should she be given a pass for any reason.

She did go past the ambulance but stayed on the apron, well away from the cars that were slowed to caution speed. She didn't put herself or anyone in danger, nor did she pull a Kevin Ward Jr.

If she clearly broke a rule or put herself or anyone else in danger, NASCAR would have called her to their trailer immediately after she got out of the care center. She didn't do anything wrong.
 
We complain about nascar making exceptions for any rules they make, why are some now wanting an exception to be made? :confused:
 
She didn't do anything wrong.

At no time should a driver or crew member(s) approach any portion of the racing surface or apron

@Adamgp Did you legitimately not see the rule, or are you just choosing to ignore it? Any argument against a penalty has no footing, as a rule was clearly broke. Do I think she should be penalized? No. But based on what's in the rulebook should she? Yes, as she broke a clearly explained and defined rule. This isn't even a gray area in the rulebook or a rule that can be interpreted however one pleases, it's a rule that's clearly defined, and should be enforced.
 
@Adamgp Did you legitimately not see the rule, or are you just choosing to ignore it? Any argument against a penalty has no footing, as a rule was clearly broke. Do I think she should be penalized? No. But based on what's in the rulebook should she? Yes, as she broke a clearly explained and defined rule. This isn't even a gray area in the rulebook or a rule that can be interpreted however one pleases, it's a rule that's clearly defined, and should be enforced.

NASCAR has since eased up on the rule. Like I said before, we will see tomorrow if she gets busted for voicing her displeasure to Kahne, (at a safe distance, mind you) but I don't see any reason to punish her.
 
“I guess Chase Elliott can't use his squinty jerk talent.”

Am I not the only one who thinks that just changing the name of the insult generator from Cole Pearn to someone we all know well in this thread, there would be no difference?
 
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