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Predictions for the week:

Kyle is fined for daring to say the word "fixed" in a radio communication. You can tell NASCAR did not like that because good luck finding the dreaded quote in question on their site.

Danica will get nothing for straight up breaking a rule. Why? Because NASCAR needs to be inconsistent
 
Oh boy. We're doing this again...

“I guess Casey Mears is too dumb to use his clueless Chinook gas pedal.”
 
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Predictions for the week:

Kyle is fined for daring to say the word "fixed" in a radio communication. You can tell NASCAR did not like that because good luck finding the dreaded quote in question on their site.

Danica will get nothing for straight up breaking a rule. Why? Because NASCAR needs to be inconsistent
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I was surprised Danica wasn't called to the hauler for approaching the track, regardless of where the ambulance was positioned.

Edit: NASCAR is "looking into it".

http://www.foxsports.com/nascar/sto...-nascar-penalize-post-incident-actions-032116
 
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Well, I'm glad that NASCAR is looking into it instead of turning a blind eye to it. You can bet the farm that if that would have been Tony Stewart that did that, all hell would have broken loose right then and there.

@Adamgp I have made it as plain as the nose on your face of how she broke the rule and yet you still won't acknowledge that she did anything wrong. :rolleyes: Instead, you just keep making up excuses which hold no water at all. There is no grey area here, she clearly went against what the rule states not to do. If NASCAR does not punish her for breaking the rule, then its an outrage because like I said, if it would have been Stewart who did that, Fox, along with about everyone else, would have had a field day with it. Since it was Danica, Fox didn't even mention it. They only mention her when she's in 24th and how she's moving up in the field, taking 23rd place. :lol:
 
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GTP_CargoRatt
Well, I'm glad that NASCAR is looking into it instead of turning a blind eye to it. You can bet the farm that if that would have been Tony Stewart that did that, all hell would have broken loose right then and there.

@Adamgp I have made it as plain as the nose on your face of how she broke the rule and yet you still won't acknowledge that she did anything wrong. :rolleyes: Instead, you just keep making up excuses which hold no water at all. There is no grey area here, she clearly went against what the rule states not to do. If NASCAR does not punish her for breaking the rule, then its an outrage because like I said, if it would have been Stewart who did that, Fox, along with about everyone else, would have had a field day with it. Since it was Danica, Fox didn't even mention it. They only mention her when she's in 24th and how she's moving up in the field, taking 23rd place. :lol:
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Except if you read my posts on the subject I never said she didn't break the rule.

I stated that she didn't put herself or anyone else in danger.
 
Adamgp
She stayed on the apron
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GTP_CargoRatt
· At no time should a driver or crew member(s) approach any portion of the racing surface or apron
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She was not on the apron to begin with, her car came to rest on the skid-pad below. What she did was against the rules like it or not, and should be punished accordingly.
 
Whitetail
She was not on the apron to begin with, her car came to rest on the skid-pad below. What she did was against the rules like it or not, and should be punished accordingly.
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She had to go to on the apron because the ambulance was on the apron.

Personally I don't care what happens with her. I've stated before I am not a Danica fan.
 
Adamgp
She had to go to on the apron because the ambulance was on the apron.

Personally I don't care what happens with her. I've stated before I am not a Danica fan.
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The ambulance was on the skid-pad. The apron is that one-car lane used at the bottom of the track there. The lane cars drive on when merging on/off the track.
 
trobes29
Remember when Montoya hit the jet dryer? Anything can happen, even on the apron she isn't considered "safe".
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I do. And we can go on forever playing the game of " what if...".

Whitetail
The ambulance was on the skid-pad. The apron is that one-car lane used at the bottom of the track there. The lane cars drive on when merging on/off the track.
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She still didn't stray far from it, nor did she go above the white line onto the racing surface.
 
Adamgp
She still didn't stray far from it, nor did she go above the white line onto the racing surface.
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The apron counts as a portion of the racing surface, especially considering cars were using it under green-flag conditions in 3&4. This isn't Daytona or Talladega. You're arguing against a black-and-white regulation in the NASCAR rule book. You're not getting far.
 
I don't consider the Montoya thing a "freak accident". Cars haul ass if they are trying to catch up to the pack behind the pace car or when they get their lap back. Montoya was behind and the reason he wadded it up is pretty simple to figure out. The jet dryers were cleaning up fluid on the track and he was going fast and slipped in the fluid and hit a jet dryer. That said, I don't care what happens to Danica.
 
Whitetail
The apron counts as a portion of the racing surface, especially considering cars were using it under green-flag conditions in 3&4. This isn't Daytona or Talladega. You're arguing against a black-and-white regulation in the NASCAR rule book. You're not getting far.
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Umm, it was yellow flag conditions, no race cars were using the apron at the time.

And for yet another time, I am not arguing against the rule. She broke the rule. I've been saying she was in no danger.
 
Adamgp
She had to go to on the apron because the ambulance was on the apron.

Personally I don't care what happens with her. I've stated before I am not a Danica fan.
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Wow, I can't believe how far you are willing to go to defend her actions...to the point of making yourself look foolish. The fact that she walked well past the ambulance further up onto the apron to give Kagne the business is when she broke the rule. And yes, she did put herself in danger by being where she was. As stated, jet dryers have been hit and I have seen, on two different occasions, cars go spinning off the track, all under caution. She had no business being where she was, period. I don't know why you can't understand that. This is not even a matter of opinion, its as clear as night and day....she broke the rule, period. And if NASCAR doesn't do anything about it, then why have the rule in the first place. They are just opening up the door for other drivers to do this. They need to head this off now before something happens again.

@Adamgp Now you are changing your argument. Before you said that she did not do anything wrong.

"Still don't think she did anything wrong. We will see Tuesday if any penalties are issued, but I doubt it."


"She did go past the ambulance but stayed on the apron, well away from the cars that were slowed to caution speed. She didn't put herself or anyone in danger, nor did she pull a Kevin Ward Jr.

If she clearly broke a rule or put herself or anyone else in danger, NASCAR would have called her to their trailer immediately after she got out of the care center. She didn't do anything wrong."


And again, yes she did put herself in danger. You are only digging yourself deeper...maybe you should just stop now.
 
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She was in no danger. She did break the rule but wasn't in any danger.

Throw the book at her, I don't give a crap.
 
Blood Eagle
I don't consider the Montoya thing a "freak accident". Cars haul ass if they are trying to catch up to the pack behind the pace car or when they get their lap back. Montoya was behind and the reason he wadded it up is pretty simple to figure out. The jet dryers were cleaning up fluid on the track and he was going fast and slipped in the fluid and hit a jet dryer. That said, I don't care what happens to Danica.
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He had something in the rear of the car break which sent him into the jet dryer.
 
GTPorsche
He had something in the rear of the car break which sent him into the jet dryer.
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I think that's the official story but he was not at pace car speed, spin out a Cup Car at 45 or 55 and it would have never slid that long, hit something tore it all to pieces and ended up in the infield. He was on the throttle. Broke an axle or suspension related or slipped in fluid with a spool going too fast for the conditions. If an axle or something did break he may not have slammed into anything at a more reasonable pace. I get why they speed up but it's common to see drivers away from the pace car catching the pack to run full race speeds to catch them. One thing is for sure, that thing turned right real fast.
 
Adamgp
She was in no danger. She did break the rule but wasn't in any danger.

Throw the book at her, I don't give a crap.
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Yes, she did put herself in danger where she was at and I'll tell you why. Besides the strange/bizarre/freak things that could happen, someone could have pulled out of line and swerved down towards her to scare/intimidate her just like some say Stewart did. Now, having said that, I have faith in my NASCAR boys that no one would be that ignorant to do that, but you never know in the heat of the battle. Bottom line, she should have just gotten in the ambulance and taken it up with Kahne after the race. But then again, she wouldn't have gotten her few seconds of TV time that way. :p At any rate, she put herself in harms way and I don't know why you can't understand that.
 
GTP_CargoRatt
Yes, she did put herself in danger where she was at and I'll tell you why. Besides the strange/bizarre/freak things that could happen, someone could have pulled out of line and swerved down towards her to scare/intimidate her just like some say Stewart did. Now, having said that, I have faith in my NASCAR boys that no one would be that ignorant to do that, but you never know in the heat of the battle. Bottom line, she should have just gotten in the ambulance and taken it up with Kahne after the race. But then again, she wouldn't have gotten her few seconds of TV time that way. :p At any rate, she put herself in harms way and I don't know why you can't understand that.
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The "what if..." game again. She survived.
 
Adamgp
The "what if..." game again. She survived.
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How thick is your skull? Seriously, when thinking of safety you have to play the "what if" game. That's how drivers die, by saying "Oh they're fine, let's not do anything in the future to prevent something from happening even though it's possible". With your logic it's safe to say "Well Austin Theriault didn't die when he crashed, so there's no reason to waste money on a Safer Barrier there."
 
trobes29
How thick is your skull? Seriously, when thinking of safety you have to play the "what if" game. That's how drivers die, by saying "Oh they're fine, let's not do anything in the future to prevent something from happening even though it's possible". With your logic it's safe to say "Well Austin Theriault didn't die when he crashed, so there's no reason to waste money on a Safer Barrier there."
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Contrary to what you may think, I am not against safety at all. I just said she didn't put herself in danger. She stayed near the ambulance, below the white line, well away from passing cars.

Denny Hamlin had a similar situation at Bristol in 2014, not long after the rule was put into place. He didn't get penalized.
 
Blood Eagle
I think that's the official story but he was not at pace car speed, spin out a Cup Car at 45 or 55 and it would have never slid that long, hit something tore it all to pieces and ended up in the infield. He was on the throttle. Broke an axle or suspension related or slipped in fluid with a spool going too fast for the conditions. If an axle or something did break he may not have slammed into anything at a more reasonable pace. I get why they speed up but it's common to see drivers away from the pace car catching the pack to run full race speeds to catch them. One thing is for sure, that thing turned right real fast.
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If he rode around at pace car speed, how would he catch the rest of the field after pitting? After a pit stop, the drivers have to speed up to catch the field behind the pace car.

Montoya just got very unlucky when he broke a part in the rear suspension at a high speed. The rest of the field got lucky that it happened while he was alone instead of riding in the middle of the pack after the restart.
 
MustangRyan
If he rode around at pace car speed, how would he catch the rest of the field after pitting? After a pit stop, the drivers have to speed up to catch the field behind the pace car.

Montoya just got very unlucky when he broke a part in the rear suspension at a high speed. The rest of the field got lucky that it happened while he was alone instead of riding in the middle of the pack after the restart.
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"I get why they speed up" - Blood Eagle 2016

But seriously though, I get it but don't go full blown race speed. I'm not saying Montoya was but he wasn't going slow by any means.
 

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