2016 Russian Grand Prix

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Dhalism
the translator hesitated when Rosberg said "you did a good job" and said something to extent of "good job was done"
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It also sounded like Putin said
'Good job. If you can call it a job.'

Best bit was when he asked Rosberg
'Do you like it here?'
 
ClydeYellow
Sure, but on the other hand, real world drivers generally learn to judge their braking points before getting a F1 seat. Oh, well... Apparently those accidents are not even being investigated: looks like the FIA is trying to make F1 interesting again by letting it turn into a NASCAR-like crashfest.
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Kvyat got a stop-go, Gutierrez got a drive through.
 
Samus
Eh? They already investigated them, he got a 10 second stop and go penalty.
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Oh, I missed that, my bad (I did turn off the telly after the crash, just like a good sore loser :lol:. So I'm going by after-race reports that make no mention of the 10-second penalty). But I still think he got off lightly - people have been DQed for less, and such incompetent driving should be penalized harshly in F1.
 
ClydeYellow
Oh, I missed that, my bad (I did turn off the telly after the crash, just like a good sore loser :lol:. So I'm going by after-race reports that make no mention of the 10-second penalty). But I still think he got off lightly - people have been DQed for less, and such incompetent driving should be penalized harshly in F1.
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Compare Maldonado tipping Gutierrez over in Bahrain 2014 to this, Dani Dangerous' stop-go was more than justified.
 
From NBC Sports Buxton interviewing Vettel, "not sure if you heard me on the radio: *with a smirk on his face*
 
ClydeYellow
Oh, I missed that, my bad (I did turn off the telly after the crash, just like a good sore loser :lol:. So I'm going by after-race reports that make no mention of the 10-second penalty). But I still think he got off lightly - people have been DQed for less, and such incompetent driving should be penalized harshly in F1.
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I can't remember the last time a driver was DQ'd for causing a crash, it's not really a done thing unless it really is obvious they're a risk to others out there. Obviously FIA decided he wasn't and it was in fact just poor judgement.

Also I just checked the FIA site, they gave him three penalty points on top of the in-race penalty. They really did throw the book at him. In comparison Gutierrez received a drive through and 2 penalty points.
 
Wow, how many spots did Lewis gain by cutting the track at T2? If that was gravel, grass, or a wall, he would have been back in P6 or 7, or worse, coming out of T2....
 
Antares26
Compare Maldonado tipping Gutierrez over in Bahrain 2014 to this, Dani Dangerous' stop-go was more than justified.
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Maldonado should've had his Super License revoked after that stunt. Maybe his regular driving license, too. My judgment still stands: the FIA will disqualify a driver for an overheated tire or for leaving the pit lane while the red light's on, but not for vastly incompetent (or in the case you mentioned, downright criminal) driving.

I will also admit that as a Ferrari tifoso I'd rather see Kvyat flogged. My judgment may not be entirely objective on this particular incident. But still...
 
ClydeYellow
Maldonado should've had his Super License revoked after that stunt. Maybe his regular driving license, too. My judgment still stands: the FIA will disqualify a driver for an overheated tire or for leaving the pit lane while the red light's on, but not for vastly incompetent (or in the case you mentioned, downright criminal) driving.
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Say what now? Kvyat made a mistake. Simple as that. People make mistakes. That's human philosophy 101. Don't go saying someone should be burned at the stake every time they mess up.

Kvyat misjudged his braking and hit Vettel. Done. That's the incident. No malicious driving, no purposely going out of his way to attack Vettel. This is racing, crashes happen. Get over it
 
Totally agree with what Button said about T2 on Lap 1. It's pretty obvious going around the bollard is faster when there's a traffic jam in the corner.
 
If you go DQ'ing drivers for human error you're going to stop them wanting to race at all out of fear. Do you really want to see each driver tiptoeing around the first corner of the race to be absolutely sure they don't hit anyone?

They get it right most races, first corner crashes are actually quite rare in F1 and it's usually more down the track than anything. In this case they have a huge run-down to T1 with a wide entry into a very tight corner. Kvyat had a lot of speed, misjudged his braking point and with a locked front right had nowhere to go but into the back of the Ferrari. A bad mistake, but a mistake all the same.

twitcher
Totally agree with what Button said about T2 on Lap 1. It's pretty obvious going around the bollard is faster when there's a traffic jam in the corner.
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The whole thing needs redesigning if you ask me, it's a horridly designed corner all around with the way it goes very tight and then immediately curves back the other way. There really isn't enough space to tidily fit all 22 cars through on lap 1 and if you give racing drivers a mountain of run off they'll use it. Make it like Monaco and you'll remove that but likely cause even more accidents.
 
It looks so horribly awkward in the post-race cool-down room with Bernie trying to look cool with his new shady mates.
 
I think on the point of Vettel and Kvyat, is that what Seb was trying to get out last GP is what ended up happening at this GP. The guy seems to no really have his braking points and more so closing speed in realization at times and thus what didn't happen last GP in Sebastian's eyes happened this time.
 
It looks like Vettel saw the Force India car ahead almost spin with a tire going down and crazy Ivan lacked the awareness to react in time.
 
FutureF1
Say what now? Kvyat made a mistake. Simple as that. People make mistakes. That's human philosophy 101. Don't go saying someone should be burned at the stake every time they mess up.
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Kvyat made two major mistakes that resulted in major contacts, not minor bumps, in the span of three corners. People make mistakes, but for me, he lacked the awareness and quick reaction times that should be a necessary requirement for a F1 driver. The situation is, I believe, not as light as you'd suggest (although of course I'm not saying Danil crashed on Vettel on purpose - that'd be a ridiculous accusation).

That being said, I've already mentioned my biases as a Ferrari fan and as an opposer of the general FIA policy on DQing racers for minor technical irregularities while being extremely indulgent towards examples of poor racecraft - make of that what you will.
 
ClydeYellow
That being said, I've already mentioned my biases as a Ferrari fan and as an opposer of the general FIA policy on DQing racers for minor technical irregularities while being extremely indulgent towards examples of poor racecraft - make of that what you will.
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Like I said, you've got to let racers race. If you don't, and want to DQ them for stuff like today, you're going to end up steralizing the sport where drivers are scared to go toe to toe for fear of DQ. As for DQ for technical issues, well that is a different matter and it's black and white. If your car doesn't match the rules and regulations for F1, it can't score points. It sucks as a fan to see cars later DQ'd, but that's just how it is.
 
Dodzzz
Disgusting reaction too from him, he's clearly has mental issue and needs to stay away from F1.
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I seem to recall a certain F1 legend denying any fault in a certain crash at a certain Japanese GP with a certain frenchman.
It's common for F1 drivers to deny fault.

With that said, I don't support Kvyat in this. Not one bit.
At this rate he's looking to become the next Maldonado.
 
Dodzzz
Disgusting reaction too from him, he's clearly has mental issue and needs to stay away from F1.
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Quite a coincidence really, because I seem to remember only one race ago there was a certain 4x world champ refusing to accept responsibility for a crash...

Anyway, I think people are going a little over the top with the Kvyat anger at the moment. The first bump was nothing more than clumsy. It was quite similar in principle to the Bottas/Hamilton shunt in Bahrain. In other words, stuff like that happens all the time - forget about it and move on.

As for the second one... The middle of turn 4 isn't a typical place to suddenly slow down, so Vettel slowing (quite legitimately, considering he thought his car was damaged) caught him out. Judging by the closing speed of the Torro Rosso which took avoiding action around the outside, the pileup could have been much bigger.

The blame still lies at Kvyat, but I don't understand why people are getting so worked up about it.
 

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