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Good they have the back wheel covers, but can't the front wheels also lock up? At least they have a solution the problem.

I think barge boards and elements of the floor may serve to prevent front wheel interlocking.

Preventing wheel to wheel contact and generally making the cars more amenable to some "rubbing" in the corners (without race-ruining damage) will make the series more attractive to owners, drivers, sponsors and especially fans.

Also, and I hesitate to say this, but some "dumbing down" of the cars, such as making them safer, slower and more understeery, will make the series more available to women, minorities, movie idols, retired star drivers, and rich amateurs. In short, more public appeal, better bottom line, and better assured future.

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Steve
 
Also, and I hesitate to say this, but some "dumbing down" of the cars, such as making them safer, slower and more understeery, will make the series more available to women, minorities, movie idols, retired star drivers, and rich amateurs. In short, more public appeal, better bottom line, and better assured future.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

Correct. If they slashed the aerodynamic downforce allowance in F1, we'd see more genuine overtaking, which can only be good for F1.

P.S. I'm aware that this is the IRL thread, but your comment could be applied to many series.
 
With Takuma Sato signing with Rahal-Letterman, that opens the KV Racing Lotus seat for Barrichello, if he can acquire sponsors.

Announcement will be coming this week either way. I doubt they would have an announcement for a driver not signing with them.
 
The standing starts and heat races for oval qualifying sound reasonably exciting. Will be interesting to see how it works out for them.
 
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The standing starts and heat races for oval qualifying sound reasonably exciting. Will be interesting to see how it works out for them.

Maybe we should have a standing start tonight.
 
I actually think standing starts are very unfair.

Why make the start of a race more crucial then it needs to be, considering the skill involved to do it right is more suited to a drag racer then circuit racer

It irritates me to no end watching a pole sitter be the 3rd or 4th car to turn 1 because he spun the tires
 
They're trying to make it more exciting and pull in prospective fans, standing starts in F1 have always been brilliant.
 
Then the pole sitter should learn to launch. Simple really.

The pole sitter spent the entire weekend tuning the car to the track, and then putting the car on pole, only for it to be spoiled by him spinning the tires for half a second at the start? Its like a basketball game that awards 10 points to whoever wins the opening tipoff. Such a small part of the game/race that has very little bearing on how good you are at the rest of it should hold very little weight

Standing starts are popular because they add a ridiculous and unnecessary element of chance to the race, the sad fact the 4th place driver may lead the field into turn 1, or vice versa
 
So, because one driver can get a good start at any given race start, it's unfair?

I think it's more unfair for one driver to control the start based on when he wants to hit the gas.
 
The pole sitter spent the entire weekend tuning the car to the track, and then putting the car on pole, only for it to be spoiled by him spinning the tires for half a second at the start? Its like a basketball game that awards 10 points to whoever wins the opening tipoff. Such a small part of the game/race that has very little bearing on how good you are at the rest of it should hold very little weight

Standing starts are popular because they add a ridiculous and unnecessary element of chance to the race, the sad fact the 4th place driver may lead the field into turn 1, or vice versa

There are a million little scenarios we could claim the race was spoiled by.
"A driver spent the whole weekend putting the car on pole and tuning the car..only for it to be spoiled because of a safety car"
"A driver spent the whole weekend putting the car on pole and tuning the car..only for it to be spoiled because his team are rubbish at pit stops"
"A driver spent the whole weekend putting the car on pole and tuning the car..only for it to be spoiled because of a terrible pit strategy"
"A driver spent the whole weekend putting the car on pole and tuning the car..only for it to be spoiled because the Chevrolet engine is more powerful than the Honda engine"

I personally prefer standing starts because it introduces an extra set of skills into the equation. Getting the perfect launch and picking the right place to put your car are crucial, but they don't always lose the race (unless a driver happens to suck at them..like Mark Webber). Only in race series where overtaking is rare does the race start determine the win. Otherwise it sets up a much more exciting start to the race as everyone sorts themselves out.

There are pro's and con's to both standing and rolling starts. I don't mind either but I've always enjoyed standing over rolling. Some of the best racing I've ever seen has been after a standing start, with drivers pulling dan-dare moves around the outside, etc.

We could apply the same argument for driver aids - its really a small event changing gear, modulating the throttle, avoiding locking up brakes, looking after the engine - but they add up to a set of skills which make the racing harder and more entertaining both because of mistakes and because of perfection. Its easier to be impressed by someone winning because they rarely make a mistake when it is so easy to make one rather than never making a mistke but having more compeition for the win. Or at least it is for me.
Either way whoever won because they were better at those sets of conditions. I just prefer the conditions including standing starts. Yes, its disappointing when a really great driver screws up the start and puts himself out of a win...but disappointment and mistakes are all part of making a sporting event interesting and exciting to watch. If it was easy and people didn't make race-losing mistakes, it wouldn't be as interesting.
Most of the time when a driver I was watching for screwed up his start, I usually instead look to watch how they recover through the field from it rather than despairing at the lost race win. And then when they win the next race after nailing the start I can appreciate it all the more.
 
Screw both standing and running starts... we should have Le Mans style running starts.
 
One of the most exciting forms of motorsport in the world, Formula One, has used standing starts for many decades. No argument is going to convince me they are a bad thing for IndyCar, it makes things that much more exciting from the get go, if you duff your launch, tough. You've just lost 2 places.

I agree with the skill set argument Ardius posted above, IndyCar drivers are, or should be, some of the most talented in the world. Why make it easy for them?
 
The pole sitter spent the entire weekend tuning the car to the track, and then putting the car on pole, only for it to be spoiled by him spinning the tires for half a second at the start? Its like a basketball game that awards 10 points to whoever wins the opening tipoff. Such a small part of the game/race that has very little bearing on how good you are at the rest of it should hold very little weight

Standing starts are popular because they add a ridiculous and unnecessary element of chance to the race, the sad fact the 4th place driver may lead the field into turn 1, or vice versa

As a European I see standing starts as normal and rolling starts as fake starts.

My original point still stands. If you can't launch properly, how good a driver could you possibly be?

It is an integral part of driving skill.
 
If you can't launch properly, how good a driver could you possibly be?
Nico Hulkenberg was one of the worst starters I have ever seen. I watched every Grand Prix in 2010, and he was consistently the slowest driver off the line. I think he lost more positions on the opening lap than everyone else combined. And yet, people do not simply rate him as a driver - they rate him very highly.
 
Nico Hulkenberg was one of the worst starters I have ever seen. I watched every Grand Prix in 2010, and he was consistently the slowest driver off the line. I think he lost more positions on the opening lap than everyone else combined. And yet, people do not simply rate him as a driver - they rate him very highly.

Then he is overrated then. In my view of course. :)
 
Screw both standing and running starts... we should have Le Mans style running starts.

As long as team members are allowed to assist with the belts it wouldn't be too difficult.

Also, those cars don't have onboard starters, so a crew member would be needed for that as well.
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#Ardius

Much of what you speak isn't avoidable, or preplanned like a standing start.

Standing starts add an extra set of skills into the equation, and are generally more exciting then a rolling start.

I strongly believe the pole sitter should make it to turn 1 with the lead, so Ill always prefer a standing start.

#Tired Tyres

Rolling starts are pretty wide spread worldwide. Most racing series with races of substantial length use them as no one wants to see a turn 1 or grid crash due to the chaos of a standing start.

And if launching is so simple, why are numerous positions gained and lost before turn 1?

#GTPorsche

At least the pole sitter is guaranteed to enjoy 1st place for 1 turn.
 
In theory, all of the Indy drivers should have about the same experience in Grid Starts in a Indy Car. So then it just becomes a competition about who learns the fastest/wants to practice harder. Like any other sport?
 
The former Champ Car drivers and Sato would be acquainted with the standing starts. It could give them a bit of an advantage the first few times.
 
#hawkeye122

Indycar has existed for decades and produced exiciting starts without standing starts,. Why suddenly the need to go to standing starts? Reminds me of Champcar's move to standing starts that were implemented to please and attract F1 fans. Its like saying, well, the popular kid does it this way, so lets copy him and hope doing so brings us more popularity as well.

I'd much rather have Indycar keep its own identity.

Besides, whats so bad about this? It it unfair the 3rd place driver couldn't lead into turn 1 or the other way around?

 
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Honestly, if an IndyCar driver can't handle a standing start, they shouldn't be in the series.

Nothing stopping them from doing it now. The cars have anti-stall components starting this year. Might as well make use of the tech.
 
#Ardius

Much of what you speak isn't avoidable, or preplanned like a standing start.

Standing starts add an extra set of skills into the equation, and are generally more exciting then a rolling start.

I strongly believe the pole sitter should make it to turn 1 with the lead, so Ill always prefer a standing start.

#Tired Tyres

Rolling starts are pretty wide spread worldwide. Most racing series with races of substantial length use them as no one wants to see a turn 1 or grid crash due to the chaos of a standing start.

And if launching is so simple, why are numerous positions gained and lost before turn 1?

#GTPorsche

At least the pole sitter is guaranteed to enjoy 1st place for 1 turn.

Where do I say launching is simple? It's a skill like any other skill and needs to be mastered. I just regard it as superior to a rolling start which doesn't require any skill that I can see.
 
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