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I feel that in this thread, there are way too many rushed knee-jerk reactions to Wilson's crash, trying too hard to find something to blame... Ultimately it's irrelevant they were racing on a high-speed oval. When debris goes flying like that in an open-wheeler race, the drivers are in mortal danger regardless of how fast they're going...
 
Considering the angle at which the part came down at Justin, I'm not so sure he even saw it coming, and considering the speed he was doing, even if he did, he probably wouldn't have had much time to react anyway.
 
Considering the angle at which the part came down at Justin, I'm not so sure he even saw it coming, and considering the speed he was doing, even if he did, he probably wouldn't have had much time to react anyway.
On the replay it looked like he just pulled out from behind the other car in front of him when the impact happened. Worst timing ever... :sick:
 
General threshold for good news usually within 48 hours. It's been silent which in the racing world is not good.
 
An update, even though nothing has changed.

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Carbon fibre is lighter and stronger then plastic. Id feel so safe doing 30mph in a coke bottle...
Seriously? The wings and bumper pods, not the chassis. I thought that was common sense, but I guess I have to spell it out for you. It would also lower the cost of replacement parts, something Indycar desperately needs right now.


One solution (which was ignored in my original post) is to stop racing on high speed ovals entirely (bar Indy, of course). Just run more short ovals instead to keep the unique aspects of the series intact. This incident should still be looked at, but the more I look at it the more of a freak accident it seems. I'm not sure any one thing could have stopped it.
 
Seriously? The wings and bumper pods, not the chassis. I thought that was common sense, but I guess I have to spell it out for you. It would also lower the cost of replacement parts, something Indycar desperately needs right now.


One solution (which was ignored in my original post) is to stop racing on high speed ovals entirely (bar Indy, of course). Just run more short ovals instead to keep the unique aspects of the series intact. This incident should still be looked at, but the more I look at it the more of a freak accident it seems. I'm not sure any one thing could have stopped it.

Why only Indy?
 
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I still don't see why people are having a go at ovals.
Yeah honestly at any circuit it's possible, going fast in an open cockpit is always a risk. It's why gentleman drivers prefer closed top LMP2's in sportscar racing, and a reason some of the TUSCC PC teams actually want the LMP3 cars for the class.
 
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This kind of freak accident could happen anywhere.
Of course, but the higher speed of a Speedway makes it more dangerous. Hinch escaped his similar accident at Indy Road Course with a concussion, while at much higher speeds Wilson has far more serious injuries. With all the extra risk that comes with running a Speedway, maybe it's time for Indycar to look at moving to smaller ovals. It's not like the racing would suffer, some of the short oval races have been spectacular.
 
One solution (which was ignored in my original post) is to stop racing on high speed ovals entirely (bar Indy, of course). Just run more short ovals instead to keep the unique aspects of the series intact. This incident should still be looked at, but the more I look at it the more of a freak accident it seems. I'm not sure any one thing could have stopped it.
Henry Surtees died in Brands Hatch, in a Formula 2 car after getting hit by a tire, Felipe Massa got hit by a spring on Hungaroring and James Hinchcliffe got knocked out on Indy Road. The track doesn't matter too much.

Hinch also got only hit by a winglet, not the whole friggin' nosecone.
 
Of course, but the higher speed of a Speedway makes it more dangerous. Hinch escaped his accident at Indy Road Course with a concussion, while at much higher speeds Wilson has far more serious injuries. With all the extra risk that comes with running a Speedway, maybe it's time for Indycar to look at moving to smaller ovals. It's not like the racing would suffer, some of the short oval races have been spectacular.
I mean, I could see the series only having Pocono and Indy as the big ovals and then the other oval events being on the small ovals. Safety wise though, they still go pretty *** fast on those small ovals though so it's not like something couldn't happen there either.

The time of the open top racer is ending it seems. It sucks, but safety wise it cannot be ignored anymore. LMP1, LMP2 and now LMP3 are switching over to closed top coupes. Formula championships are probably next.
 
Well, if you're going to make the knee-jerk reactions, you've got to take out all the high speed stuff, because it might be dangerous.
Which is the reaction we don't need. Indycar and Dallara have to face the facts, the car is to blame. The open top car's time is just about wrapped up.
 
Says the guy reacting in such a way that open wheel cars need to go away completely.
So your saying that it's fine to continue with an open top? I didn't say closed wheels (and if I did I got 3 hours sleep so I wouldn't be surprised), I just said a closed top car with a cockpit based on an LMP design and not some sort of fighter plane cockpit which isn't smart for a vehicle without an ejector seat.
 
Which is the reaction we don't need. Indycar and Dallara have to face the facts, the car is to blame. The open top car's time is just about wrapped up.

Indycar isn't the only open top series, and Dallara aren't the only open top/wheel manufacturer. This could have happened at half the speed on a normal circuit, for example Henry Surtees. If you call for dramatic change here, you call for it everywhere.
 
Indycar isn't the only open top series, and Dallara aren't the only open top/wheel manufacturer. This could have happened at half the speed on a normal circuit, for example Henry Surtees. If you call for dramatic change here, you call for it everywhere.
F1's been thinking about closed tops too.

Do I genuinely think that it's going to happen? No. Do I think they'll implement something to try to add protection? I hope so. I'm just saying that the idea of the open top is risky everywhere when comes to flying debris possibly smashing into your helmet.
 
So your saying that it's fine to continue with an open top? I didn't say closed wheels (and if I did I got 3 hours sleep so I wouldn't be surprised), I just said a closed top car with a cockpit based on an LMP design and not some sort of fighter plane cockpit which isn't smart for a vehicle without an ejector seat.
And you're alluding to Indycar needing to be an LMP car instead.

Would not be surprised though if this is a rough idea of what the 2018 car will look like (but with a centered seat, 720hp, less weight, no lights except for the rear rain light, capable of 230+mph, different aero, no shark fin and maybe even smaller dimensions).
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I said different aero and that is in the quote. By aero I meant taking off the fenders and such.

In a protection theme, what about something along the lines of this but extended up a bit? (referring to windscreen)
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Then why even post a picture of an LMP?

Edit: All that needs to be done is have a strong, durable windscreen that goes up over the top of the driver's helmet in such a way that deflection wouldn't knock the shield into the helmet and also doesn't compromise airflow into the air intake or to the driver. Having it swing open forward with a quick release mechanism is all it would take to facilitate quick extraction if needed. It's not a fully closed cockpit and it's also not a fully open cockpit. Just needs to come to an ending point at the crown on the helmet to ensure that 99.9% of all debris has absolutely no chance of hitting the driver.
 
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As long as the driver's head is exposed, these types of accidents will happen again whether it's an Indy Car, F1 or any other similar machine. The question becomes whether that risk is something drivers and fans will continue to accept.
 
I think the Windscreen is the best solution and for people attacking Superspeedway which this season has produced great racing is not fair because i find that WRC or MotoGp are much more dangerous than driving an Indycar on an Superspeedway
 
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