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Very true. But unless they did a back to back in Oz, can you see them making the trip down under two times in one season?

Teams come down just to test at Phillip Island plus the WSBK has their pre season test at Phillip Island,
 
If the layout is right, what's wrong with street tracks???
Judging by the many, many comments on Speedcafe replying to the news that Sydney Olympic Park is in its final year, plenty.
Most of the commentators there want to see the money spent on a permanent circuit for year round entertainment & education of all levels not another set it up & pull it down street race with crappy viewing that's used once a year. Enough already.
 
Judging by the many, many comments on Speedcafe replying to the news that Sydney Olympic Park is in its final year, plenty.
Most of the commentators there want to see the money spent on a permanent circuit for year round entertainment & education of all levels not another set it up & pull it down street race with crappy viewing that's used once a year. Enough already.

80% of the available permanent facilities in Australia V8s have out grown, Winton got an extension and now that's redundant, Eastern Creek is possibly the second most boring facility to Queensland Raceway, Phillip Island is great but the pit facilities are a total joke, Barbagallo and Hidden Valley desperately need upgrading and renovation,


Lets not forget Bathurst is also a street circuit...
 
Most of the commentators there want to see the money spent on a permanent circuit for year round entertainment & education of all levels not another set it up & pull it down street race with crappy viewing that's used once a year.
It's far more expensive to build a permanent circuit from scratch than it is to establish a street circuit. Availability year-round doesn't necessarily mean that it will break even.

Also, I disagree with the notion that street circuits produce poor racing - Clipsal is good, and Townsville has produced good racing. The Gold Coast is okay, too. The problem with Homebush was that it was just 90-degree bends and chicanes.
 
80% of the available permanent facilities in Australia V8s have out grown, Winton got an extension and now that's redundant, Eastern Creek is possibly the second most boring facility to Queensland Raceway, Phillip Island is great but the pit facilities are a total joke, Barbagallo and Hidden Valley desperately need upgrading and renovation,


Lets not forget Bathurst is also a street circuit...
But they are there all year round & with investment can be brought up to date.
Our country has more than one class too so there's more to consider than just the Supercar show.
I would also argue that there's a difference between a road course such as Bathurst and a street circuit surrounded by concrete walls such as Sydney & Surfers.
It's far more expensive to build a permanent circuit from scratch than it is to establish a street circuit. Availability year-round doesn't necessarily mean that it will break even.

Also, I disagree with the notion that street circuits produce poor racing - Clipsal is good, and Townsville has produced good racing. The Gold Coast is okay, too. The problem with Homebush was that it was just 90-degree bends and chicanes.
More outlay at the start but it's then there for years to come and can be used for more than just Motorsport. Driver education & new car releases spring to mind.
Clipsal & Townsville do produce good racing. Something Homebush seriously lacked.
 
Clipsal & Townsville do produce good racing. Something Homebush seriously lacked.
The problem with street circuits is that they're limited by geography. I think that the problem with Homebush is that the location was decided long before the layout was considered, so their options were limited from the start.

It was also a political ploy on the part of Nathan Rees. He was an unpopular premier, but unlike Morris Iemma, he wasn't under the thumb of Eddie Obeid - and that meant that one of the most powerful factions in state politics was out for blood. Getting the race at Homebush was a way of placating the dissonant elements of the government long enough for Rees to push through legislation that stopped Obeid from amassing - and abusing - even more power because the race represented a major event for Sydney and New South Wales, and was good for the state's image. Obeid managed to unseat Rees in the end, and I think that Rees endures a relatively unfair political reputation as a result, but it was an important move nonetheless. It didn't help that Kristina Keneally tried to play all of the factions against one another and ended up looking like a puppet of all of them (and most suspect that she was always aligned with Obeid). Rees' actions were a pretty important chapter in the state's modern political history, as they were one of the first steps in getting Obeid before ICAC.
 
The problem with street circuits is that they're limited by geography. I think that the problem with Homebush is that the location was decided long before the layout was considered, so their options were limited from the start.

It was also a political ploy on the part of Nathan Rees. He was an unpopular premier, but unlike Morris Iemma, he wasn't under the thumb of Eddie Obeid - and that meant that one of the most powerful factions in state politics was out for blood. Getting the race at Homebush was a way of placating the dissonant elements of the government long enough for Rees to push through legislation that stopped Obeid from amassing - and abusing - even more power because the race represented a major event for Sydney and New South Wales, and was good for the state's image. Obeid managed to unseat Rees in the end, and I think that Rees endures a relatively unfair political reputation as a result, but it was an important move nonetheless. It didn't help that Kristina Keneally tried to play all of the factions against one another and ended up looking like a puppet of all of them (and most suspect that she was always aligned with Obeid). Rees' actions were a pretty important chapter in the state's modern political history, as they were one of the first steps in getting Obeid before ICAC.
Something about NSW politics that went right over my head.

If you want to talk about senseless politicians, we've got a joke down here named Daniel Andrews. Wastes 1.2 BILLION on a road that won't be built!
 
You mean the road Napthine committed money to in such a way that the Andrews government couldn't back out of without honouring the financial side of the deal?
 
I kinda feel that the political debate of "our politicians are dumber then yours" belongs elsewhere, is interesting nonetheless...
 
Maybe he'll do better in a Holden. He crashed the E63 and FGII.
 
He's a good driver and I hope he does well. That said, his record at Bathurst (V8SC/DVS) is really not that great.
 
I always hoped for F1 drivers to pair with V8 drivers during the AGP. No doubt it's a big task trying to fit each driver in whatever car. I'd just like to know what current F1 drivers think after driving a proper V8SC.
 
It's about time we see another permanent circuit in Australia.
The layout looks really interesting & I just hope it's got some decent elevation changes.

It doesn't, "its the former Mitsubishi proving grounds" and its as flat as lake Eyre....
 
It doesn't, "its the former Mitsubishi proving grounds" and its as flat as lake Eyre....
Damn. Now is the time to get some quality fill in there & create it then.
 
The track map in that link looks pretty decent. Good variety of corners, some technical stuff, some ballsy stuff too. Elevation would not be a negative, but it's not always a necessity. I think Sebring and Silverstone are good examples of flat yet challenging/exciting tracks
 
I just hope it's got some decent elevation changes.
It doesn't, "its the former Mitsubishi proving grounds" and its as flat as lake Eyre....
Damn. Now is the time to get some quality fill in there & create it then.
Elevation changes don't guarantee good racing. Silverstone is so flat that it resembles a billiards table, but has produced good racing; likewise, Spa is full of elevation changes, but has seen some dull racing in the past.
 
Would it book end the seasons to come? Coming full circle might be an idea.
However, I still want to see a Bathurst finale.
 
The track map in that link looks pretty decent. Good variety of corners, some technical stuff, some ballsy stuff too. Elevation would not be a negative, but it's not always a necessity. I think Sebring and Silverstone are good examples of flat yet challenging/exciting tracks
The Surfers Paradise International Raceway is a perfect example of a flat track that made for excellent racing so I agree that elevation changes aren't compulsory. I just think they add character & another dimension to car setup requirements, rather than only having to take into account different shaped corners approached at a variety of speeds.
 
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