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Famine
the guy who wants to avoid damaging the planet is the quickest when three quicker people crash into each other?
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you're not even trying to pretend that you have any other motivation behind your posts other than your dislike for Hamilton :lol:
 
Dhalism
you're not even trying to pretend that you have any other motivation behind your posts other than your dislike for Hamilton :lol:
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First time I've been told that. Usually I'm told I'm a Hamilton fan when Rosberg or Maldonado or, most recently, Vettel has hit him. Neither is true, or relevant, of course.

I assume you don't appreciate the irony of berating another user for loving pollution and hating clean air in the situation I mentioned then, or said driver proselytising about avoiding damaging the planet in the same situation?
 
Dutch tv just showed in a proper slow motion how this was entirely Vettel's fault.

Max sees Raikönnen on his left, steers slightly to the right to avoid him, but as Vettel basically does a hard left into Max, there is no place for Max to go, no chance for Kimi to avoid Max or Vettel.

Kimi hits Max, Vettel hits Raikönnen and it's bowling into the first corner.
 
Dennisch
Dutch tv just showed in a proper slow motion how this was entirely Vettel's fault.

Max sees Raikönnen on his left, steers slightly to the right to avoid him, but as Vettel basically does a hard left into Max, there is no place for Max to go, no chance for Kimi to avoid Max or Vettel.

Kimi hits Max, Vettel hits Raikönnen and it's bowling into the first corner.
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Apology accepted.
 
Dennisch
Dutch tv just showed in a proper slow motion how this was entirely Vettel's fault.

Max sees Raikönnen on his left, steers slightly to the right to avoid him, but as Vettel basically does a hard left into Max, there is no place for Max to go, no chance for Kimi to avoid Max or Vettel.

Kimi hits Max, Vettel hits Raikönnen and it's bowling into the first corner.
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#fakenews
 
Horrible. Whoever wins the championship, but I think the 'big championship fight' is a bit over now.
 
Famine
I presume you've just finished watching the event where 10 companies have flown thousands of people and thousands of tonnes of cargo over 8,000 miles to burn another 2,000 gallons of fuel to find out that the guy who wants to avoid damaging the planet is the quickest when three quicker people crash into each other?


You can quantify it.

How far ahead of Vettel on one lap pace was Hamilton at Monza? How far ahead was Vettel on on lap pace at Singapore?

The difference there is 3.2%. There are other factors, but the Mercedes' extra 1.4% of footprint is a direct contributor. It brings stability by resisting turning forces at the expense of manoeuvrability by resisting turning forces.
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Did you actually see his vegan education.

Cows.

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I hate this image-action, but it is a beautiful picture.

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Dennisch
Dutch tv just showed in a proper slow motion how this was entirely Vettel's fault.

Max sees Raikönnen on his left, steers slightly to the right to avoid him, but as Vettel basically does a hard left into Max, there is no place for Max to go, no chance for Kimi to avoid Max or Vettel.

Kimi hits Max, Vettel hits Raikönnen and it's bowling into the first corner.
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Although it was Max who hits Kimi in reaction, kimi just went straight, but it was all due to Vettel.
 
Famine
I assume you don't appreciate the irony of berating another user for loving pollution and hating clean air in the situation I mentioned then, or said driver proselytising about avoiding damaging the planet in the same situation?
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I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding me intentionally or not, so let me drop the 'ironies' and 'sarcasms'. Are you yourself a fan of pollution? Or are we all hypocrites for loving racing and disliking pollution, just like Hamilton(in which case why does he get singled out)? Or do you think it might be possible to enjoy racing and yet make responsible choices in other areas of your life?
 
Funny to read all the comments after the race has ended. When the heat is on.

With the knowledge afterwards: Thanks Vettel!

Ferrari and Vettel will never admit that this was his stupidity. It probably will cost him and Ferrari the World Championship and also the catch up for the constructor title.
 
When your name is Kvyat and you have less points than a Sauber driver...

How is this guy still in F1? Carlos has a massive 43 points advantage over him. It's even bigger than Nico's advantage over Palmer!
 
lancia delta hf
Verstappen only stayed straight they said!

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Vettel is in the lead, he has a right to close a gap, Raikkonen is the only one going straight and at this point he is ahead of Verstappen. Everyone is responsible for their own car and if you have to let off and let someone passed to avoid a crash then that is what you do. Verstappen didn't. You could just say it was down to unfortunate sequence of events. But if anyone is to blame, it's your boy Verstappen. Who has form.


Vettel was in the lead, why would he go right? Verstappen was being overtaken by Raikonen, he could and should have let off. The result of him doing that is losing second position and continuing to fight, the result of what he did instead is the front 3 which includes himself are out.
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I'm really not a Verstappen fan and my first reaction whenever he's involved in a crash is "it's Verstappen's fault - definitely"

But this is great, you're trying to show how it's his fault here and especially the last picture tells another story - what the hell is Vettel doing? There was no need to do this at all, he could have given Vertappen a bit more space and by doing so also his team mate - while Vettel might have any right to do this it was unnecessary, stupid and probably cost him the championship - at least it cost him this race.



There was no way Verstappen would slow down in this situation and he didn't need to, Vettel basically drove him and consequently Raikkonen off the track - in the wet, at the start. And not the first time Vettel doing something like this either.

A shame, because it robbed us of a possibly great race, too, but what can you do, in the end its a race incident, only avoidable by 1 person , but thats not Verstappen.
 
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I guess I'll just stick with the highlights for the rest of the season. It was great while it lasted...
 
H20HYBRID_GT
I'm really not a Verstappen fan and my first reaction whenever he's involved in a crash is "it's Verstappen's fault - definitely"

But this is great, you're trying to show how it's his fault here and especially the last picture tells another story - what the hell is Vettel doing? There was no need to do this at all, he could have given Vertappen a bit more space and by doing so also his team mate - while Vettel might have any right to do this it was unnecessary, stupid and probably cost him the championship - at least it cost him this race.



There was no way Verstappen would slow down in this situation and he didn't need to, Vettel basically drove him and consequently Raikkonen off the track - in the wet, at the start. And not the first time Vettel doing something like this either.

A shame, because it robbed us of apossible great race, too, but what can you do, in the end race incident, only avoidable by 1 person and thats not Verstappen.
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The claim was that Verstapen went completely straight, i proved this to be untrue. As i said, this can be completely put down to an unfortunate racing incident. But when it comes down to the crunch, one of them can see both cars, and that is Verstappen. If this was on a real world road what would he have dove? My guess is he would have lifted rather than refuse to lose a position.

I'm putting the blame on Verstappen, no one else has to.Maybe i will change my view with when i see all angles again anddrivers comments. However i repeat, these pictures are to mainly refute the claim Verstappen stayed completely straight. No who people blame, i don't think they can argue against this proof of evidence.
 
lancia delta hf
The claim was that Verstapen went completely straight, i proved this to be untrue. As i said, this can be completely put down to an unfortunate racing incident. But when it comes down to the crunch, one of them can see both cars, and that is Verstappen. If this was on a real world road what would he have dove? My guess is he would have lifted rather than refuse to lose a position.

I'm putting the blame on Verstappen, no one else has to.Maybe i will change my view with when i see all angles again anddrivers comments. However i repeat, these pictures are to mainly refute the claim Verstappen stayed completely straight. No who people blame, i don't think they can argue against this proof of evidence.
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Ah, yes i see, well Verstappen didn't drive straight obviously.
But yeah I didn't see this angle before and you gotta wonder what Vettel is doing - way to aggressive and we know the outcome.
It also makes more sense to me now what Jos Verstappen said right after the incident, "he had nowhere to go".

It's a racing incident sure but most everyone will say it's Vettel who caused it.
He didn't do this on purpose I'm sure , but it just seems a bit stupid and like i said way too aggressive under the circumstances.
 
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Ah, yes i see, well Verstappen didn't drive straight obviously.
But yeah I didn't see this angle before and you gotta wonder what Vettel is doing - way to aggressive and we know the outcome.
It also makes more sense to me what Jos Verstappen said right after the incident, "he had nowhere to go".

It's a racing incident sure but most everyone will say it's Vettel who caused it.
He didn't do this on purpose I'm syre, but it just seems a bit stupid and like i said way too aggressive under the circumstances.
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The worst thing about it is as soon as qualifying was over my first thoughts were "Oh no", then Lewis Hamilton said well with Verstappen up front maybe something could happen. I just knew this was gonna end bad, regardless of culpability .
 
lancia delta hf
The claim was that Verstapen went completely straight, i proved this to be untrue. As i said, this can be completely put down to an unfortunate racing incident. But when it comes down to the crunch, one of them can see both cars, and that is Verstappen. If this was on a real world road what would he have dove? My guess is he would have lifted rather than refuse to lose a position.

I'm putting the blame on Verstappen, no one else has to.Maybe i will change my view with when i see all angles again anddrivers comments. However i repeat, these pictures are to mainly refute the claim Verstappen stayed completely straight. No who people blame, i don't think they can argue against this proof of evidence.
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Verstappen's mistake was strategical. In the first few frames you can see how much space he has given Vettel - almost a car width - completely unnecessary. However when Kimi is alongside Ves, Vettel keeps going left and Ves has nowhere to go. A move is safe until it no longer is, and Vettel overstepped the boundaries of what was safe.
 
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The worst thing about it is as soon as qualifying was over my first thoughts were "Oh no", then Lewis Hamilton said well with Verstappen up front maybe something could happen. I just knew this was gonna end bad, regardless of culpability .
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Yeah true, they're both hot headed, it was a high probability. But Vettel is the one driving for the championship, he should have been smarter imo.
Ironic that the only guy going straight was Raikkonen who shouldn't have, he still had some space left, could have avoided Verstappen, but I think there was just too little time to react to the situation.
 
TenEightyOne
No further action from the stewards? I'm astonished at that.
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Serious? Not even a reprimand towards Vettel about situational awareness?
 
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BTW Kimi already commented: "whoevers fault it is we cannot change the results". If it was Max' fault we could expect other comments.
 
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