2017 NASCAR Discussion threadNASCAR

[BKGlover]

I like the car. The driver is another issue. Lastly, good lord Robert Yates has not aged well. I know he's been in health battles of late, and he looks it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Manufacturers should be allowed to mod the roofline just saying.

DAG NABBIT THEY TRYING TO PULL ME BACK TO THIS GIMMICK FILLED MESS BUT IT'S WORKING WITH THAT CAMARO.

Then limit wind tunnel testing. You can't allow it cause of what others have said. They'll just run tons of hours in the tunnel or CFD models then one car will run away with it more than the others. And there is not guarantee the roof line would look any better than it does now, or on the same level as the production street car.

I just lost a lot of respect for Harvick.

He'd be as popular as he is now, just with Championships, Juniors likability comes through his actions on and off the track. Also Harvicks comments don't make sense. Because if the most successful driver won most popular, Sr would have been the sole reason for NASCAR growth. However, the most popular driver during that time wasn't Sr. it was Bill Elliot. Also it's funny cause Harvick isn't the most successful driver or close to it right now either, he's a rung or two higher because of his championship title.

As much as I hate to admit it, I completely understand what Harvick is saying. There isn't a single driver on the level popularity that the big name Basketball or Football players have. The closest would be Dale Jr, and when people who don't regularly watch, they'll turn on and see him mid pack most likely. It's not good for marketability when you're most well known and popular driver is quite average in the grand scheme of things.

Considering the last several years he's been one of the better drivers for average finishes even on par with Harvick, and highly consistent. The swan song season he is having has been a tough one, and shouldn't represent his legacy, despite how you or anyone feels about Junior being most popular.

 

[mwoodski]

Danica Patrick's throwback car will be a throwback to when Robert Yates fielded a Cup team. Her car's livery is inspired by the 88 Dale Jarrett raced (owned by Yates) in the late 90s. Link here.

Excellent car, poor choice of driver for it. Probably because she has no sponsorship though. It'll be wadded up by lap 100.

 

[Dolph Drago]

Danica Patrick's throwback car will be a throwback to when Robert Yates fielded a Cup team. Her car's livery is inspired by the 88 Dale Jarrett raced (owned by Yates) in the late 90s. Link here.

Great car. It's so sad to look at Yates that skinny though. I hate to see what cancer does to people. Hopefully he continues on the path to recovery.

 

[RACECAR]

Excellent car, poor choice of driver for it. Probably because she has no sponsorship though. It'll be wadded up by lap 100.

Lap 100 is being too generous. Lap 45 at most.

 

[mwoodski]

Lap 100 is being too generous. Lap 45 at most.

I was being generous and hoping she'd take it easy for the first stage

 

[Carbonox]

And now I get to be Mr. Buzzkill.

Irwindale Speedway WILL close for good after next January.

I'll never cease to be amazed at the lack of logic involved in building these useless shopping centers right over still existing race tracks rather than actual undeveloped land. Wasn't Irwindale still part of the K&N series this year?

 

[BKGlover]

I'll never cease to be amazed at the lack of logic involved in building these useless shopping centers right over still existing race tracks rather than actual undeveloped land. Wasn't Irwindale still part of the K&N series this year?

I want to say yes, but I'm not sure.

My best guess is it's a combination of laziness, urbanization, and location. Still don't know why they need yet another entertainment complex that will never return the investment.

 

[mwoodski]

YIL that the NASCAR Pinty's, and NASCAR PEAK México Series both race on road courses under a mile in length. Mirabel/Circuit ICAR in Canada is .68mi, and the Autódromo de León in México is .75mi.


Mirabel/ICAR:


Autódromo de León:

 

[L8 Apex]

Danica Patrick's throwback car will be a throwback to when Robert Yates fielded a Cup team. Her car's livery is inspired by the 88 Dale Jarrett raced (owned by Yates) in the late 90s. Link here.

It looks alright, but it would be nice to see a Lyn St. James Mustang homage, since Lyn was one of her early mentors and...well...we still don't know what Danica's doing next year...

 

[RACECAR]

So, anyone catch this crap sunday?



What a moron. I remember him making similar complaints with Hendrick and Chevy. Perhaps he should shut the hell up and actually try to find a way to catch up.

 

[Blood Eagle]

So, anyone catch this crap sunday?



What a moron. I remember him making similar complaints with Hendrick and Chevy. Perhaps he should shut the hell up and actually try to find a way to catch up.

That's Brad. He set the fastest time of the whole season then dogged Toyota for having too fast of cars. This season started with Ford domination and I don't remember people making a fuss about it. He and Logano have been busted this year for illegal cars. Last time he said Hendrick was doing illegal stuff he got busted for illegal stuff. Manufacturer domination is nothing new in NASCAR. Wish he'd concentrate on his own team and not make accusations against others. They are all pushing the envelope.

 

[catamount39]

YIL that the NASCAR Pinty's, and NASCAR PEAK México Series both race on road courses under a mile in length. Mirabel/Circuit ICAR in Canada is .68mi, and the Autódromo de León in México is .75mi.


Mirabel/ICAR:


Autódromo de León:

We need circuits like those in America. Or NASCAR should just go them, bloody brilliant layouts.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

So, anyone catch this crap sunday?



What a moron. I remember him making similar complaints with Hendrick and Chevy. Perhaps he should shut the hell up and actually try to find a way to catch up.

Kelly Crandall had talked with Steve O'Donnell (VP and and Chief Racing Development Officer) about it and even he thought it was comical. His responses to her asking about it wound being posted to one of her Racer articles. Specifically, this one here.

 

[mwoodski]

It looks alright, but it would be nice to see a Lyn St. James Mustang homage, since Lyn was one of her early mentors and...well...we still don't know what Danica's doing next year...

Not racing NASCAR.

 

[WhoosierGirl]

Not racing NASCAR.

So that would make the haters finally have something in common with her.

I would ask anyone who posts negatively about her, would you trade with her if you could?

Would you like the opportunity to race for 20+ years in England and America, racing future F1 drivers as a teenager, racing in the premium North American open wheel series and the most popular racing series in America....NASCAR?

Would you like the opportunity to race against drivers such as Button, Rahal, Castroneves, Francitti, Andretti, Weldon, Power, Briscoe, Kanaan, Dixon, Sato, Montoya, Earnhardt jr, Gordon, Johnson, Stewart, Martin, Keslowski, etc...?

Would you like the opportunity to race at the greatest ovals and road courses around the world? Would you like the chance to lead laps at both the Indy 500 and Daytona 500?

Would the haters give up this opportunity if they would only win one race in their career?

I doubt it.

 

[catamount39]

So that would make the haters finally have something in common with her.

I would ask anyone who posts negatively about her, would you trade with her if you could?

Would you like the opportunity to race for 20+ years in England and America, racing future F1 drivers as a teenager, racing in the premium North American open wheel series and the most popular racing series in America....NASCAR?

Would you like the opportunity to race against drivers such as Button, Rahal, Castroneves, Francitti, Andretti, Weldon, Power, Briscoe, Kanaan, Dixon, Sato, Montoya, Earnhardt jr, Gordon, Johnson, Stewart, Martin, Keslowski, etc...?

Would you like the opportunity to race at the greatest ovals and road courses around the world? Would you like the chance to lead laps at both the Indy 500 and Daytona 500?

Would the haters give up this opportunity if they would only win one race in their career?

I doubt it.

Missing the point that a driver of roughly average skill doesn't deserve to be applauded like they've won a bunch of championships. That's just being ignorant. Many pay drivers have shared a grid with greats.

I still feel bad for Jerome Policand who had to share a car with her at Road Atlanta (not Petit Le Mans) for the Grand Prix of Atlanta in 2003...didn't even make the podium in a Maranello....

 

[WhoosierGirl]

Missing the point that a driver of roughly average skill doesn't deserve to be applauded like they've won a bunch of championships. That's just being ignorant. Many pay drivers have shared a grid with greats.

I still feel bad for Jerome Policand who had to share a car with her at Road Atlanta (not Petit Le Mans) for the Grand Prix of Atlanta in 2003...didn't even make the podium in a Maranello....

Who is applauding her like she's won a bunch of champions? If your referring to her marketability, how is she at fault for companies wanting to use her in commercials? If winning on the track makes you marketable, we would see Kurt Busch in Coca-Cola commercials, we don't because he's not exactly likable to the general public.

She's raced without being a pay driver or born into a great racing family. Bringing in sponsorship with marketability to prolong her career is a bad thing? Is that not the reason Greg Biffle is no longer racing and Kurt Busch is trying to find a car next year? The same boat Danica finds herself in also, it's ignorant to believe talent alone is why racers are on the track and getting attention.

She was far more successful in open wheel than she has been in NASCAR but, successful or not at least she had the guts to try.

A race from 14 years ago that neither Danica or Jerome Policand probably remember makes you feel bad, lol, let it go.

Your missing the point of my question, I said nothing about her getting attention or driving ability. I asked....with what she has done in her career as a racecar driver would you trade careers with her?

 

[Northstar]

I've gotten over the whole "Danica Patrick sucks" thing. At the end of the day there are far worse drivers who genuinely should not be in the Cup series. I'm not going to try and argue that she's great or anything, but she's certainly not as bad as people try to make her out as being. This year is really the first one where she's had issues finishing and even than only 3/7 of her DNF's have been due to crashes outside of restrictor plate races (no clue if she was at fault in any of the 3 as I haven't been watching much this year). Apart from this year her previous record for most DNF's is 5 during her rookie season, hardly the terrible driver people try making her out to be.

Than there is the whole "she's taking a quality seat from a better driver" argument. Granted it's not technically wrong, but it's also ignoring the fact there likely wouldn't be a #10 car without her marketability (and possibly no #41 either considering it still doesn't have full sponsorship).

 

[BKGlover]

So that would make the haters finally have something in common with her.

I would ask anyone who posts negatively about her, would you trade with her if you could?

Would you like the opportunity to race for 20+ years in England and America, racing future F1 drivers as a teenager, racing in the premium North American open wheel series and the most popular racing series in America....NASCAR?

Would you like the opportunity to race against drivers such as Button, Rahal, Castroneves, Francitti, Andretti, Weldon, Power, Briscoe, Kanaan, Dixon, Sato, Montoya, Earnhardt jr, Gordon, Johnson, Stewart, Martin, Keslowski, etc...?

Would you like the opportunity to race at the greatest ovals and road courses around the world? Would you like the chance to lead laps at both the Indy 500 and Daytona 500?

Would the haters give up this opportunity if they would only win one race in their career?

I doubt it.

Danica's hype is what's befallen her, but it's also what's kept her at the upper echelons for so long. I do say negative things about her, but all told she's as good in NASCAR as Paul Menard or Ricky Stenhouse. On the surface that may look like a slighting, but they aren't Cup Series Kenny Wallace, Gray Gaulding, or Cup series Scott Speed in that they live in the bottom 10 running. She 'aint bad...she 'aint great, but she's good enough to keep the job.

To answer your question: If you can guarantee the exact same path considering I'm a guy, Hell yes I would. I don't think it would be near the same though, her being a woman has given light to opportunities that if I started how she did, I'd likely never see.

 

[mwoodski]

Yeah, idk where all that started from.

I'm just telling you guys that she's done with NASCAR after this year. No comments on ability or whatever, just stating a fact.

 

[Dylan]

I'm just telling you guys that she's done with NASCAR after this year. No comments on ability or whatever, just stating a fact.

Source?

 

[mwoodski]

Source?

Multiple people I know in the garage area/series.

 

[WhoosierGirl]

Yeah, idk where all that started from.

I'm just telling you guys that she's done with NASCAR after this year. No comments on ability or whatever, just stating a fact.

She is if she doesn't get more sponsorship but, that's yet to be determined.

Danica's hype is what's befallen her, but it's also what's kept her at the upper echelons for so long. I do say negative things about her, but all told she's as good in NASCAR as Paul Menard or Ricky Stenhouse. On the surface that may look like a slighting, but they aren't Cup Series Kenny Wallace, Gray Gaulding, or Cup series Scott Speed in that they live in the bottom 10 running. She 'aint bad...she 'aint great, but she's good enough to keep the job.

To answer your question: If you can guarantee the exact same path considering I'm a guy, Hell yes I would. I don't think it would be near the same though, her being a woman has given light to opportunities that if I started how she did, I'd likely never see.

That's why I asked without saying anything about all the other issues people have with her, looking at what she has accomplished vs. what she hasn't during her career. Race fans who freak out just to touch the bricks at Indianapolis bashing someone who raced over them at well over 200mph, strikes me as odd when the same people would trade in a second given the chance. Appreciate your honesty.

She used the opportunities that where presented to her and she has worked for. Paul Menard has family money in sponsorship and the Dillons have their grandfather, all drivers use the opportunities they can. Danica has used her, talent, marketability and hype to make a career in racing.

Also, the Robert Yates car she will be driving at Darlington actually has meaning to her. Robert Yates tried to hire her to drive the #28, she choose to sign with Tony Stewart instead. One needing her money to expand a race team and another trying to keep one from going under. Source,

 

[Dylan]

 

[BKGlover]

As many times as either the Jackman, the post/bolt acting as the jacking point, and the jack itself has failed in recent years, why not? It also takes the guy the furthest out on pit road out of that situation. The tire changers would still be an issue depending on how the pitstops would be structured, but they could also be a more reliable option.

 

[RACECAR]

As many times as either the Jackman, the post/bolt acting as the jacking point, and the jack itself has failed in recent years, why not? It also takes the guy the furthest out on pit road out of that situation. The tire changers would still be an issue depending on how the pitstops would be structured, but they could also be a more reliable option.

Well I'm not sure much can be done about tire changers (apart from possibly switching to one single nut instead of four), but the possible replacing of the Jackman would be kinda welcome. The speeds these cars go nowadays and the chaos they can create on pit road in a high stress situation I feel has more or less gone well past the point of having them anymore. Same kinda goes for the fuel man with the amount of times the fuel can has been taken off pit road.

 

[Dylan]

Kyle Busch wins the truck race by absolutley dominating. Leading stages 1 & 2, getting a speeding penalty and going to the back, and then passing everyone in under 50 laps to win it in overtime.

 

[GTRacer22]

Boring race.

Kyle Busch makes it look easy, once again!

 

[RACECAR]

I just love when Kyle wins these races, just out of spite and the mass of salt its guaranteed to bring.