The turbo, the GT3RS, and the GT2RS are all automatic-only. In 2010, every single 911 either had a manual option or was manual only. The proof is in the pudding. The fact the automatic was the one they decided to go with for the limited-production GT2RS speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
And the 911 R & recent Speedster were manual-only. And that's still 3 models out of a rather large range.
You missed the part where Porsche re-introduced manuals back into the line-up for the next generation as well as the last gen. GT3 & making the Speedster manual-only once again, which implies Porsche recognizing there's a viable market for it.
A car bred for track racing & needs to stay competitive with what other manufacturers are doing for faster lap times throwing in a faster transmission isn't a surprise.
Porsche GT2 RS Press Release
My quote actually points the other way.
Beyond the fact that Porsche keeps adding manuals to nearly every sporty car in their range, every few years Porsche releases a trim that's specifically marketed as being the purist manual option. Some of them they even certified a new engine for that model specifically. They charge extra money for it, and people line up to pay it. And once Porsche runs out of them, people line up to pay even more for one.
In 2009, no 911 was automatic only. In 2020, ⅓ of the 911 lineup is. No matter how you cut it, they’re moving away from manuals. Them offering limited production ‘purist’ models with manuals is proof that they no longer view the manual 911s as the normal ones but rather as specialist ones. That really only supports my argument, rather than yours.
Of the 6 cars in Porsche’s lineup, only two (the 718 and 911) can be had with a manual. And multiple models of the 911 are now exclusively pdk. No matter how you cut it, they’re moving away from manuals. They’ll hold out longer than Corvette, clearly. But the writing is on the wall. All sports cars are moving towards automatics, with many sporting brands no longer offering a manual on any model.
I see we're picking this year specifically b/c it's the last year that supports that claim, yet ignores that actual generation did have automatic only cars starting the following year; the Turbo S & Speedster. The Turbo S has remained automatic ever since iirc. The Speedster went back to being a manual-only car.
Of which would bigger if Porsche hadn't actually put manuals back in this year.
Porsche
No, I think this quite clearly cuts the other way.
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/th...-is-at-last-here-but-not-for-the-whole-range/
Read above.
I think you're conveniently leaving out 2 other models that prove my point. They did put the manual back in GT3 & left it out of the RS. But, not only did they put the manual back into the GT3, they added a brand-new GT3 Touring that was manual-only. Or that when the 991 Speedster was brought out, it too, went back to manual-only unlike the 997 Speedster that was PDK-only.
Wasn't your argument; "Porsche owners buying cars only for looks & that's why they have autos". The RS cars have autos b/c of an entirely different reason.
No, see I have actual statements & articles that support the notion the the factory has recognized the importance of manuals.
Your knife is dull & your argument contrasts the factory's.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...manual-transmissions-for-as-long-as-possible/Erhard Mossle; Cheif Engineer circa 2016
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/th...-is-at-last-here-but-not-for-the-whole-range/Dr Frank-Steffen Walliser; VP Product Lines 911 & 718; circa 2020
Of course. The fact that Porsche sees enough of a market to create separate trims in direct response to people clamoring for manual transmissions and have gone on record as saying they will fight to keep them as long as possible is proof that Porsche is disinterested in offering manual transmissions. It was obvious all along.
7 cars.
Three. The three sporty ones, at that, which is what I said in the first place.
can’t argue with the numbers, mate. More automatic-exclusive cars today than ten years ago. Got an answer for that that doesn’t prove my point?
Long story short: “Porsche still offers manuals, therefore they’re not abandoning manuals.” look further back than the last 6 months and you’ll notice a trend.
And they also sell more models than they did in 2010. Unless you think it's proof of something that an electric car doesn't have a manual transmission.
Nah, three. Repeating yourself with all caps like a petulant kid doesn't make something more true. Porsche have seven models. Three of them are available with manual transmissions. The Cayman and Boxster are different cars with different trim lines and options available to them. Porsche deliberately changes performance aspects about them to decrease the market overlap between them, in case it wasn't obvious enough. They always have been. You don't get to pretend things don't exist just because you're not very good at arguing things things on the internet.
You could also get a Panamera with one. It doesn't mean that they are moving away from manuals. It means they stopped bothering to offer manuals in cars that no one really cared about them in to begin with; like 4400 pound luxury cars and full sized SUVs.
I'm amused that you're so bad at this that you keep assigning arguments to people that they never made.
Prove it.
Prove it.
Prove it. McLaren provided actual tangible numbers about take rates. You pulled something out of your ass and keep insisting that it's true.
It proves that Porsche is committed to offering a manual transmission option on specialist performance models in addition to the lower tier models that already have them, which is in line with the statements from people at Porsche who say they will continue to offer a manual transmission as long as possible.
It speaks that they misunderstood how much the market cared about about manual transmission availability instead of raw performance numbers. It sounds like it's the same mistake Toyota made when they had BMW make them the Supra that they are rumored to also be correcting.
Sporty cars in their range:
What trend? You claim the factory is moving away from manuals, I provided statements from 2 Porsche development personnel & a third party statement from Porsche NA the factory is keeping manuals & looking to see about putting them in other models.
Their market base didn't warrant manuals anymore. But, we're talking about Porsche whose market base does.
Again conveniently ignoring that Porsche brought out 2 brand-new manual only cars after that time & made the decision make a former model manual-only again.
Word games don't work on this forum. You made a statement backed up by a "guarantee" you can't prove & then shifted your meaning towards other product decisions that don't support that statement.
That's not an argument yet you bring in irrelevant manufacturers moving to SUVs as some kind of support for your own.
Porsche put the manual back.
And they also sell more models than they did in 2010. Unless you think it's proof of something that an electric car doesn't have a manual transmission.
Nah, three. Repeating yourself with all caps like a petulant kid doesn't make something more true. Porsche have seven models. Three of them are available with manual transmissions. The Cayman and Boxster are different cars with different trim lines and options available to them. Porsche deliberately changes performance aspects about them to decrease the market overlap between them, in case it wasn't obvious enough. They always have been. You don't get to pretend things don't exist just because you're not very good at arguing things things on the internet.
You could also get a Panamera with one. It doesn't mean that they are moving away from manuals. It means they stopped bothering to offer manuals in cars that no one really cared about them in to begin with; like 4400 pound luxury cars and full sized SUVs.
I'm amused that you're so bad at this that you keep assigning arguments to people that they never made.
Prove it.
Prove it.
Prove it. McLaren provided actual tangible numbers about take rates. You pulled something out of your ass and keep insisting that it's true.
It proves that Porsche is committed to offering a manual transmission option on specialist performance models in addition to the lower tier models that already have them, which is in line with the statements from people at Porsche who say they will continue to offer a manual transmission as long as possible.
It speaks that they misunderstood how much the market cared about about manual transmission availability instead of raw performance numbers. It sounds like it's the same mistake Toyota made when they had BMW make them the Supra that they are rumored to also be correcting.
Here's the very first words of my very first post:
Sporty cars in their range:
Cayman.
911.
Boxster.
Cars available with manuals in their range, and presumably the very ones that they will try to offer with manuals until they no longer can as they've stated they will:
Cayman.
911.
Boxster.
That was the extent that I talked about trends, about how many models in Porsche's range still have manuals, about how dedicated they are to keeping them around. I brought it up in response to your comparison of the Porsche range to the C8. Instead of fabricating imaginary arguments that you can combat with imaginary statistics and hot takes that you copy-pasted out of Jalopnik comment sections, perhaps try reading the posts you're responding to.
Yes, more Porsches are automatic-exclusive today compared to Porsche historically; the first real automatic Porsches only came in 1990, so there's about 60 years where there was no way a Porsche could be auto-only.
I’m not going to answer your question because it’s an irrelevant red herring to try and paint me as a person in a bad light rather than actually refute my argument. A common tactic for those with no actual point.
I have a good point and made it clear multiple times. “Porsche are moving away from manuals and focusing on automatics”. My best evidence is the answer to this question: are Porsche selling more or less automatic-exclusive models now as compared to a few short years ago?
Supposedly yes. The GT3 R is the GT3 class race car. Although some people believe that the race car pictured is actually the cup car and not the GT3 car as it lacks a lot of aeroSo this one is the GT3 R Race Car?
And the photos above posted by @ProjectWHaT is the GT3 RS road car?
