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It's really sad how many people in the Supercars' social medias are acting like the championship's been won in the first round. Still a long, LOOOOONG way to go, guys. :rolleyes:
 
It's really sad how many people in the Supercars' social medias are acting like the championship's been won in the first round. Still a long, LOOOOONG way to go, guys. :rolleyes:
Exactly. I almost did a "Here we go again" when Jacobson goes into the wall. Would have played right into RB's hands. Apparently, Waters and Scott weren't going to let it happen. That's the best thing I got out of it. They won't "fall for the banana in the tail pipe" this year.
 
Really Roland??? ''Engineered to an advantage, that's what we have to deal with'' :rolleyes:

Someone might want to remind Roland of his comments from last season. :lol:


Can anyone try & explain to me what Chaz could’ve possibly done wrong and, why he would need to apologise?

Whoever the car controller is at Tickford should be the one apologising. Think him and Rick were equal parts to blame for that whole mess.
 
There was no communication between Chaz and his pit crew. Chaz left his pitbox blind. Tickford admitted they were at fault, no question. That's the only reason why he apologized.
It was for the unsafe release part. Yesterday on the telecast he said he couldn't see, and wasn't told by the team if anyone was coming, so he just took off, which imo was a lack of team communication rather than a Chaz issue, but Chaz being Chaz he apologized.

Tim Edwards opinion of the incident was spot on. The unsafe release was on them but the cluster:censored: that ensued was on Rick.

... and what @05XR8 just said :lol:
Ok so it needs to be made crystal clear by Supercars & the Teams, to everyone in the pitlane no car leaves their pitbox without the OK from the Car Controller. He's the one individual with the clearest view & he/she better be sure or, they wear the consequences.

If a car is 'accidentally' released into another competitor's path, they need to know the offender will be penalised & therefore avoid the collision if possible, NOT compound the situation as Kelly did yesterday.
I can't recall anyone so blatantly shoving someone like that in over 35 years of watching domestic motorsport.

If Kelly doesn't receive a hefty monetary & points penalty, the Stewards have egg all over their faces & should be ashamed.
 
Ok so it needs to be made crystal clear by Supercars & the Teams, to everyone in the pitlane no car leaves their pitbox without the OK from the Car Controller. He's the one individual with the clearest view & he/she better be sure or, they wear the consequences.
Spot on 👍
 
https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/03/04/adelaide-500-committed-to-2020-season-opener-status/

I understand this race has been run in high temps from the start. Supercars trying to move the series to the beginning of the year is plain asinine. Just leave it as is until 2021. Then. start the season at the Grand Prix or something. Maybe start in Newcastle. I feel the series should keep coming here after the contract is over. More hotels(there is a Holiday Inn express and a couple more hotels up, if anyone here wants to book in early) and buildings keep going up, light rail is done and roads are being fixed.

Ok so it needs to be made crystal clear by Supercars & the Teams, to everyone in the pitlane no car leaves their pitbox without the OK from the Car Controller. He's the one individual with the clearest view & he/she better be sure or, they wear the consequences.

If a car is 'accidentally' released into another competitor's path, they need to know the offender will be penalised & therefore avoid the collision if possible, NOT compound the situation as Kelly did yesterday.
I can't recall anyone so blatantly shoving someone like that in over 35 years of watching domestic motorsport.

If Kelly doesn't receive a hefty monetary & points penalty, the Stewards have egg all over their faces & should be ashamed.
Also in the shot, was a Mega car pushing another car forward. I mean, really making the car move forward, to get out of the mayhem.
 
Someone might want to remind Roland of his comments from last season. :lol:




Whoever the car controller is at Tickford should be the one apologising. Think him and Rick were equal parts to blame for that whole mess.

:lol: Yeah I saw a very similar post on FB not long after I commented.

Re the car controller: The trouble with this incident was that Mostert was clear when he was first released, but he couldn't get out and had to be dragged backwards. By that stage the car controller couldn't step back in front of the car, so the team should have taken control of the situation over the radio.

Re Kelly being a douche: I can't recall seeing anything like what he did either, and with Supercars making a call against T8 last year for an unsafe release when no contact was made (and rightly so imo) there's already precedence. There was absolutely no need for Kelly's behavior and no need to damage his own car.

Time for an avatar change I think :mischievous:
 
Also in the shot, was a Mega car pushing another car forward. I mean, really making the car move forward, to get out of the mayhem.
I didn't see that as I was mesmerized with the 'main event'. This is the undesirable flow-on effect from blocking pitlane & happens far too often when there is 'stacking' by teams with both cars in the lane at the same time. How many drivers have had their races ruined when this happens & yet the highly paid Supercar Officials offer nothing in the way of solutions. As a result, it'll continue to happen & I wonder what would've been the fallout had this scenario happened to the #17 or #97 at Newcastle last year? That's a helluva way to potentially lose a Championship.
 
I hate the double stacking. The way teams kept bringing cars in, may as well had the other car circle behind the Safety Car and then pit. They wound up at the back anyway.
 
You might want to put your fire retardant race suit on after that post on FB @Nismonath5 :lol:
Bah, let them flame. Like I said earlier there's still a lot of mileage ahead of us, so noone should be getting too fluffed up about the Mustang and whether or not it's too quick just yet.
 
Someone might want to remind Roland of his comments from last season. :lol:


He needs to stop and just accept the fact that his cars didn't win the first TWO races. How many races are there? 32? Come on Roland, it's not a lost cause just yet, there's plenty of time to develop your cars.
 
Bah, let them flame. Like I said earlier there's still a lot of mileage ahead of us, so noone should be getting too fluffed up about the Mustang and whether or not it's too quick just yet.
Yeah I agree. Exactly the same was said about the ZB last year. I mentioned it being more down to the new ECU and the spring changes... and I still think that's the case.

Tickford being fast was no real surprise with all of their Super2 data with the same chassis (it was also the same for other teams with S2 programs), and it's been well documented that Fabs driving style didn't suit DJRTP's set-up last year but the new car had the stability he needed... so no surprise he was fast either. Then there's Scott Mclaughlin who's just plain fast.

If anyone thinks T8 will take this lying down they're kidding themselves.
 
Wouldn't that just result in all of the cars pitting as soon as the safety car comes in? Would rather see them get rid of double stacking.
 
Wouldn't that just result in all of the cars pitting as soon as the safety car comes in? Would rather see them get rid of double stacking.
Some may keep going long like Giz did. Let's say Fabs being down the back of the grid, kept going after the safety car peeled off. Many cars may have come in and kept Fabs out of that mayhem. It's possible he could have finished where Winterbottom did.
I feel it works out best for the racing itself. More strategy involved if some can fuel save behind the saftey car.

That stop that Chaz did before the safety car, would have worked out really well. He had a fast car and could have made a monumental gap before his last pit.
 
Wouldn't that just result in all of the cars pitting as soon as the safety car comes in? Would rather see them get rid of double stacking.
They have to try and pit before any safety car periods. If I remember correctly it's a case of pit at the earliest time you can all the time. Only the brave (BJR) and the back markers risk pitting late in the hope of a safety car period mid tyre/fuel run so they have the best tyres at the end of the run/race.

They tried this before and I distinctly remember times when front running cars had passed pit lane entry just as an incident was happening so the caution hadn't come out yet, the cars behind dash into pit lane in anticipation, then the caution comes out, leaving the front runners right royally screwed.
 
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I’d love nothing better than Supercars to leave the entire race strategy to the teams.

Everyone knows Adelaide is made up of 2x 250km, let the teams decide how they reckon is the fastest way to complete that distance. Same for all the races.
No compulsory tyre or fuel stops, do them if you need to.
They know how big their fuel tanks are & what economy they’re seeing.

The teams know before Round 1 how many tyres they have to use for the year, use them wisely.

It would throw the biggest feral cat amongst the pigeons & throw up a surprise result at just about every round. Some days it’d work for you, others it wouldn’t.
It would also take some of predicatability out of the class.
 
Work underway on next gen chassis, according to series CEO Sean Seamer.

Feel like this is something they should have looked into a year or even two ago, when local Commodore and Falcon production ceased. Hopefully this leads to some changes in 2021.
 
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Work underway on next gen chassis, according to series CEO Sean Seamer.

Feel like this is something they should have looked into a year or even two ago. Hopefully this leads to some changes in 2021.
Exactly. COTF->Gen2->SC1(or whatever). VASC weren't listening to/"hearing" Nissan, when they talked about whether the GT-R could fit in with Supercars. Budget wise, global program, etc.

They're reacting so slow. I can't wait to see when BNT V8s bring a rolling concept of their own GEN II cars. It's already putting VASC to shame, in terms of transparency.
 
Wouldn't that just result in all of the cars pitting as soon as the safety car comes in? Would rather see them get rid of double stacking.
Yes it would. So the issue isn't being solved in any way at all.:lol:
 
Yes it would. So the issue isn't being solved in any way at all.:lol:
Saturday saw no safety car, but did raise eyebrows when Giz pitted for fresh tyres late in the race. Closing the pits doesn't mean everyone has to pit. Nothing wil stop all teams pitting at once. Thing is, as Barry Ryan said, half the field could pit, when pit lane opens. A fiasco could still occur. I think it's less likely to occur. The double stacking should be abolished. It hurts the other driver's race, indefinitely.

At short tracks like Simmons Plains and Perth, that could mix up the field in an awesome way, by maybe seeing a car, that started at the back, leading and maybe winning a race. Bathurst would be good place to see this in action.
 
Wouldn't that just result in all of the cars pitting as soon as the safety car comes in? Would rather see them get rid of double stacking.
Yes it would. So the issue isn't being solved in any way at all.:lol:
Like I mentioned before, no they wouldn't. If you pit after the safety car you'll be way down on all the cars that managed to come in before it. You have to pit at the earliest possible occasion every time. In the past they had lap 5 as when pit lane opened so half the field came in on lap 5, the other half on lap 6. But if there was an accident on lap 5 after half the cars had pitted, the rest of the field was screwed. The ones that then had to pit under green flag conditions had to run as long as they could to try and make enough gap (which never happened) for their pit stop, and this was done while risking being caught out by another safety car. Every teams next stop was on their critical lap (which varied for different teams).

Barry Ryan's explanation:

We’ll wait until we see what the rules are, because they can’t compare it to NASCAR because if they do it like we did in the past, all it means is everybody’s going to pit once the window is open,” Ryan told Speedcafe.com.

“If you don’t pit under the Safety Car, everybody’s going to pit as soon as you’re allowed to pit.

“So you’re still going to have half the field in pit lane, on the same lap.

“Then the other half will come in the next lap, because you can’t risk not pitting, and getting caught under a Safety Car.

“Then your race is ruined. You’re half a lap down, and you’re nearly a lap down, whatever it takes to pit. So there’s no fix, really.''


I think his next comment is probably more on point, but it will definitely have a greater effect on the second Team car if applied under the rules we have now... it also lines up with your second point @Spacegoat :

“We’ve got to consider that no more than one team car can be in pit lane at any one time, which you could do to make sure there’s no double stacking.''

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/03/07/teams-sceptical-on-safety-effect-of-closing-pitlane/
 
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If they eliminate double stacking in pitlane, there should be no concerns at all regarding safety.
It won't stop unsafe releases which, when watching the video, was the main cause last weekend. It will relieve congestion though, which will help. I really don't know if there is an answer... ban Rick Kelly maybe??;)



Edit: I've just watched the footage leading up to the incident again and it really was nothing at all to do with double stacking. There was over 5 seconds (8 sec. gap on the time stamps) from the time Fabians car was up on the jacks to when Chaz was released with no other cars in sight. They actually had to pull Chaz backwards twice.... the bottom picture is before either of those times.

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