450pp Street Car Tuners Club -- Nightly 9:45-12:00 EDT

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hmm

i wonder why wednesdays have been drama free last few weeks. even given that we typically get more pubbers than other nights.

hmm

Awesome!
 
Wonder what tonight will bring.
 
Anyone putting up a room tonight? If not, I can.
 
Room up.
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hmm

i wonder why wednesdays have been drama free last few weeks. even given that we typically get more pubbers than other nights.

hmm

I think I will join you this wed.
 
Fun racing last night. Still trying to dial in my '83 Lancer. After I left I added stage 1 and 2 engine tuning to increase the power, then I added 150kg of ballast. I also gave it a brilliant coat of craptastic 80s brown which suits it much better. In addition to the understeer issues I was having, this should also help with the straight line power. I simply couldn't keep up with anyone on the straights last night. I managed a bunch of 4th-6th place finishes...but that was simply because everyone behind me couldn't keep it on the track. Even cars that went off track had no trouble catching back up to me.
 
Fun racing last night. Still trying to dial in my '83 Lancer. After I left I added stage 1 and 2 engine tuning to increase the power, then I added 150kg of ballast. I also gave it a brilliant coat of craptastic 80s brown which suits it much better. In addition to the understeer issues I was having, this should also help with the straight line power. I simply couldn't keep up with anyone on the straights last night. I managed a bunch of 4th-6th place finishes...but that was simply because everyone behind me couldn't keep it on the track. Even cars that went off track had no trouble catching back up to me.

I was gonna say, the couple races I did with you last night you seemed slower than usual.

I'm having a hard time with car setups but i've got about 2 cars i'm reasonably comfortable with. The trouble is one of them is that orange RUF BTR I have which isn't the easiest car to drive consistently.
 
Yeah, i'm only as fast as my car...i was doing my best to hit the apexes but i would be cooking tires as drivers passed me on the outside...proof that not all cars at 450pp are created equal. If i was interested in winning i could have whipped out my RX7, RX8, or any number of other cars. I'll give the Lancer a few more hours. I opened up some potential with camber adjustments last night but i removed the LSD which had me spinning tires like crazy.
 
Is there a sort of unanimous decision as to which car is considered "fastest" among the 450pp range (generally speaking as i'm aware no one car is suitable for every type of track)?
 
Yep. The NSX is very quick once you dial it in. The Evora and Elise are also fast and have amazing grip. The 97 MR2 is pretty decent. There are some FR cars that are quick too. The NC Miata, S2000, RX8, RX7, etc. 4WD cars are pretty sluggish unless you switch to CS tires. There are a few FF cars that are quick enough in a straight line that it doesn't matter that they corner horribly.

There is a consensus from most of the tuners in the room that stock tire sizes play a key role in how a vehicle performs. Sports cars with wider tires simply have more grip in the corners compared to econoboxes. You can make up for a car's inadequacies with some aggressive suspension tuning, but sometimes you just can't get speed out of a car.

Grenade's Green Goblin (240RS) for example has boat loads of speed no matter what parts you install...but it's got friggen donut spare tires on all 4 corners and slides around every turn. You could spend hours tuning it...but it still won't corner like a bone stock Elise.
 
Sure, send a friend request.
 
Its been kinda slow the past few days.
 
Its been kinda slow the past few days.

Yeah, I started playing a new game. lol. I don't think this stuff centers around me, but quite a few people have dropped out of the friday/saturday races.
 
Seems that way.
Fri/Sat is one of the few times I can play anymore
 
I've got a room up again tonight.

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Ugh, no more public rooms for me. I cannot deal with the random horrible drivers. I would rather have fewer good drivers than more drivers that can't hold a line or not wreck half the race.
 
Reverse grids are part of the problem.
 
Ugh, no more public rooms for me. I cannot deal with the random horrible drivers. I would rather have fewer good drivers than more drivers that can't hold a line or not wreck half the race.

My first time in the 450PP room in a long time, and wow!

I join in the Clone Killers' RX-8. I wanted to practice with a FR. The course was Tsukuba.

First off, let me just say, that car was easy to drive, and wasn't too bad. I also thought the first two hairpins went very cleanly. Mind you, I quickly got to fourth by the first hairpin and second by the second, so I might've missed a bunch of mess behind me.

I held second for the rest of the lap behind Brewbie's Civic. Dabney's 22B was chomping at my heels.

Second lap, after the first hairpin, someone pits me. I'm basically out of the race at this point, and I was doing very well. I thought someone said it was Dabney.

After the race, Nabsport starts asking me, "Did I hit you? Someone said I pushed you into the pits."

At that point, I probably should've clued in that he wasn't very bright. I said that I thought it was Dabney getting back at me for lapping his Volvo. Nabsport went on to say that he was glad that Dabney had left. He didn't like you.

That would be strike two against his... intellect.

We start the next race at Grand Valley East - Reverse. The whole time, Nabsport is complaining that 8 laps is too long. That he falls asleep after 5. He says he likes "sprints". 8 laps at GVE-R is a sprint. No one has to pit.

I can't help but openly laugh at him. He comes across as someone... without the burden of age.

The race starts great for me. I get back up to second place very quickly. But, then I'm bumped out of the hairpin and fall to fourth.

I did fall a few more spots due to some clean driving by some Rufs. I forget who was in them. I then started to push the FR too much. I figured I was drying my FF line. I smashed a wall. Or three.

Through the conversation, it seems that Nabsport couldn't see the whole field. He was blaming it on AOK, and the fact that he has an Italian flag. Clearly, since he has greater geography, he must have greater latency. Nevermind the fact that everyone else sees the room just fine.

Nabsport bumped me out of the hairpin. Because he didn't know I was there. I actually bumped him back when I got the chance, but he didn't see me there and didn't feel the bump.

Nabsport left and rejoined a few times, but never saw the whole field.

The next race was at Suzuka. I was beat through the esses. I tried to push the car a bit, just to see what a FR could do, since I was in the back.

The next race was at Autumn Ring. There was quite a bit of pushing in the first two corners on that circuit. But I missed a turn and smashed a wall. I'm sorry, but I don't remember my way around that circuit.

The annoying part of that race was that someone joined with a hot mic. He was speaking Spanish, I think. But not to us. To people coming and going from his room. That was very very annoying.

My apologizes Dabneyd for the confusing in thinking it was you who pitted me. I'm guess Nabsport couldn't see everyone in the room at Tsukuba either.
 
Vol,

That was a charlie foxtrot. I'll have a video of that jackass soon.
 
Yep. The NSX is very quick once you dial it in. The Evora and Elise are also fast and have amazing grip. The 97 MR2 is pretty decent. There are some FR cars that are quick too. The NC Miata, S2000, RX8, RX7, etc. 4WD cars are pretty sluggish unless you switch to CS tires. There are a few FF cars that are quick enough in a straight line that it doesn't matter that they corner horribly.

There is a consensus from most of the tuners in the room that stock tire sizes play a key role in how a vehicle performs. Sports cars with wider tires simply have more grip in the corners compared to econoboxes. You can make up for a car's inadequacies with some aggressive suspension tuning, but sometimes you just can't get speed out of a car.

Grenade's Green Goblin (240RS) for example has boat loads of speed no matter what parts you install...but it's got friggen donut spare tires on all 4 corners and slides around every turn. You could spend hours tuning it...but it still won't corner like a bone stock Elise.

are you sure? i have tried some nissan z the last week and the 71 with that narrow tires was better than the one from 83 that has wider tires for sure
 
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Check out Nabsport. At about :20 he plows through traffic and it looks like he shoves someone off. Then at :35 he shoves a S2000 off. At 1:26 he put the PIT maneuver on a_garris and I wanted to crash him. It took until 4:00, but I managed to slip between AOK and a S2000 and tap nabsport into the dirt at the second to last turn.

 
Ugh, no more public rooms for me. I cannot deal with the random horrible drivers. I would rather have fewer good drivers than more drivers that can't hold a line or not wreck half the race.
I'm with you on that. With fastest first grid, you never see these pub drivers. With reverse grid you are lucky if you make it 3 turns before being punted or shoved off your line.

Reverse grids are part of the problem.
Yep. With fastest first grids, you race side by side with your best competiton...with reverse, its more a factor of who gets around the bad drivers first.

are you sure? i have tried some nissan z the last week and the 71 with that narrow tires was better than the one from 83 that has wider tires for sure
80s cars often have narrower tires than 70s cars. It seems to vary from car to car though so age isnt exactly the defining trait of a cars ability. If you are refering to the 89 Z....i hate that car. Its heavy and understeers. I've never felt fast in it.
 
80s cars often have narrower tires than 70s cars. It seems to vary from car to car though so age isnt exactly the defining trait of a cars ability. If you are refering to the 89 Z....i hate that car. Its heavy and understeers. I've never felt fast in it.[/QUOTE]

89 z sucks, underteer and oversteer at the same time:scared:the 71 is sweet. some very good race last night, when i became the host i went from 4 to 8 laps and it was better, it was more strategic, on sukuza it was 4 again becouse its a long track
 
I think wheelbase is a close second in to tire width in importance for the discussion. Also, and I cannot think of the term, but how close the wheels are to the front and rear of car. The NSXs, Lotus, Lambo and Miatas all have very little in front and/or behind the tires. Hopefully I'm making sense
 
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