>500 to >650 to >???cars

[cudadude2]

I always find these types of posts funny, because you just know you wouldn't hear complaints from a lot of people if it was an American-based company focusing on American-based manufacturers with the Euro/Japanese cars taking a secondary role. The fact is as long as PD is doing GT, it will be primarily focused on their domestic offerings.

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I think that if PD put in 12 types of Dodge Caravans, Americans would still complain about wasted space...

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[koishki]

I think you can add this car to the list

 

[98cobra]

You also have to understand that it costs money to go overseas and do all of the research necessary to put these cars in the game. So for polyphony to get more domsetic cars in the game they would have to send someone to the US for a month or longer to get more data on more domestic cars, and they would have to bring thier tools also of course, which is why there has to be a select few that show up in the game, because it costs more to produce domestic cars in the game because of the required research.

As for the guy who said the prelude is a slow car...isn't any car "slow" compared to the exotics? And also the Prelude was never marketed as a "fast" car, it was ALWAYS marketed as nimble. It's an autocross car, esp. the 5th Gen SH or Type-S with ATTS...awesome technology at work..what's better is now theres and AWD ATTS...so hot...do some reading, because preludes are nice cars, especially for SCCA...and btw, if you're talking about drag...drag is for fags .

Drag is for fags..c'mon. I think he was also talking about the cars like the Kei or whatever it's called. You know the 50hp cars. Yeah, you're right about the money part, but I think PD can afford it with all the money they made on GT1, 2, 3, etc. They might as well spend a lot because they know they're are going to make a ton of cash when GT4 is coming out.

 

[Dev_Zero]

I think you can add this car to the list

I don't, there is no indication whatsoever that that car is in the game. You can add it to the wishlist, but purely based on performance, the looks are awful.

 

[kinigitt]

You also have to understand that it costs money to go overseas and do all of the research necessary to put these cars in the game. So for polyphony to get more domsetic cars in the game they would have to send someone to the US for a month or longer to get more data on more domestic cars, and they would have to bring thier tools also of course, which is why there has to be a select few that show up in the game, because it costs more to produce domestic cars in the game because of the required research.

The fact of the matter is that they have a very large budget as a first party title, and Sony spares no expense with their flagship racing game. They've also sold countless millions of copies worldwide, so money is really not an issue.

Taking a field trip to a European or american race circuit and coordinating all the car testing and data collating would be a significant task, but as they have shown with their extensive tests on the twin ring, they are definitely up to for it.

More importantly, they owe it to their Euro and American fans (and the rest of the world) to include as diverse a selection as the japanese counterparts. Considering that motorsports (GT racing, endurance, formula one, rallying, etc.) is centered around Europe (and many great american cars raced there), we should expect no less from the Kaz's new "automotive museum".

 

[98cobra]

The fact of the matter is that they have a very large budget as a first party title, and Sony spares no expense with their flagship racing game. They've also sold countless millions of copies worldwide, so money is really not an issue.

Taking a field trip to a European or american race circuit and coordinating all the car testing and data collating would be a significant task, but as they have shown with their extensive tests on the twin ring, they are definitely up to for it.

More importantly, they owe it to their Euro and American fans (and the rest of the world) to include as diverse a selection as the japanese counterparts. Considering that motorsports (GT racing, endurance, formula one, rallying, etc.) is centered around Europe (and many great american cars raced there), we should expect no less from the Kaz's new "automotive museum".

Well said kinigitt. 👍

 

[LOonIE]

^ Hmm, I wonder how many cars will be included in GT4, because even The359's Master Car List doesn't even crack 600 cars yet, and PD is blabbering that they will have over 650 cars, now I'm kinda confused.

try this answer: 359 is no member of polyphony digital.
at my opinion pd already showed to many cars on screenshots etc. but i'm sure they hold back some nice surprises. i want to discover gt4 on my ps2 not on ign or the gt-planet. (even if i had a look at each of the 104(!) screenshotsides from ign, and each gtp-screenshotside)

 

[prisonermonkeys]

try this answer: 359 is no member of polyphony digital.
at my opinion pd already showed to many cars on screenshots etc. but i'm sure they hold back some nice surprises. i want to discover gt4 on my ps2 not on ign or the gt-planet. (even if i had a look at each of the 104(!) screenshotsides from ign, and each gtp-screenshotside)

It's actually 149 pages on ign now, but when you get rid of all the repeated shots and photos of PD testing cars, it's probably only about 80-90 or so.

 

[zonekill]

I remember hearing it took a week for car modeling, not a whole month.

Thats 1 week for 1 man ive indeed read!

That would fit very well, if you count 6 weeks x 20 people modelling cars= 120 cars comes close to 150 that where added.

But isnt it easier for PD to make different vers. of a model Skyline, only ad some slightly different spoilers. And the car count goes up another one?!!!!

I also are not keen on all those different vers. of Evos, etc.. In GT1 and 2 it was cool, but in GT3 it got boring! But OK they make also the tuner models since we cant ad the spoilers!!!


Do you remember 1000 Cars and 100Tracks?
It will come close to this numbers so PD 👍 (The online didnt end up this way
I think the final number of cars 800-850, and if Ferrari:tup: and Porsche:tup: are in it will have >900 cars

Can anyone remember how many cars where on the GT3 leaflet??

 

[tha_con]

The fact of the matter is that they have a very large budget as a first party title, and Sony spares no expense with their flagship racing game. They've also sold countless millions of copies worldwide, so money is really not an issue.

Taking a field trip to a European or american race circuit and coordinating all the car testing and data collating would be a significant task, but as they have shown with their extensive tests on the twin ring, they are definitely up to for it.

More importantly, they owe it to their Euro and American fans (and the rest of the world) to include as diverse a selection as the japanese counterparts. Considering that motorsports (GT racing, endurance, formula one, rallying, etc.) is centered around Europe (and many great american cars raced there), we should expect no less from the Kaz's new "automotive museum".

Money and time. Unless you would have liked to see PD delay GT4 again, the broad domestic (import for them) research just was not worthwhile. One we do not know how long it takes to gather all of the data, we'll say for them they have to spend 1 day per every three cars.

With that said, they have to spend money on the following:

Plane Tickets - 500
Room -130/night
Food - 50/day
Equipment - ???
Track Time - ???
Rent the cars (uless provided) - ???

We'll guess there is a 5 man team. So, automatically we are at 2500 for flight costs, and we'll say they stay for a week. That's 4550 for lodging. And then there's food. That's 2450. That's 9500 for one week, and only 21 cars, not including any of the equpment costs, track time, or car costs.

Now. You tell me if polyphony is going to spend above 10K for 21 cars compared to the costs they can spend in a domestic area, which would be nearly HALF that for the same amount of cars, in fact they could probably twice as much in twice the time for half the price.

Money is a factor, it always is. Tell me what other games polyphony makes...exactly. Soley GT series, they dont' have any other games out (to the best of my knowledge, except for a game titled "omegaboost" ages ago). They are not a "powerhouse" they just happen to have a great team and produce great quality games.

 

[Cobra S]

to me, a 'slow car' is a car that can't run the 1\4 mile in less than 14 seconds i guess.. before the import boys jump on me saying "omg a car doesn't have to have a v8 to be fast!!!11", i know... there are plenty of quick 4\6 cylinder Japanese cars in the game(wrx sti, evo 8, nissan 350z, skyline, supra).

and to the guy who said the latest gen prelude makes more power than an 82 corvette, wrong. i dont know if in GT2 that was the case, but if it was, thats wrong. the 82 vette made about 205hp and 290 tq(i think).. and it was choked up . now, do you really wanna go there and compare the latest vette to the last gen prelude? it makes more than twice as much power as a prelude- its not even worth mentioning a civic or accord.

not trying to start an american vs. japanese car war, just stating the obvious.

 

[tha_con]

to me, a 'slow car' is a car that can't run the 1\4 mile in less than 14 seconds i guess.. before the import boys jump on me saying "omg a car doesn't have to have a v8 to be fast!!!11", i know... there are plenty of quick 4\6 cylinder Japanese cars in the game(wrx sti, evo 8, nissan 350z, skyline, supra).

and to the guy who said the latest gen prelude makes more power than an 82 corvette, wrong. i dont know if in GT2 that was the case, but if it was, thats wrong. the 82 vette made about 205hp and 290 tq(i think).. and it was choked up . now, do you really wanna go there and compare the latest vette to the last gen prelude? it makes more than twice as much power as a prelude- its not even worth mentioning a civic or accord.

not trying to start an american vs. japanese car war, just stating the obvious.

While I agree with you in some points, I think you need to realize that balance is more important than raw power. American muscle cars are build for the niche market of drag racing, where you go straight...it's not very exciting.

And actually, the latest gen prelude, top model (The Type-S) made 220HP and 156lbs ftlbs tq, with that and the ATTS, the latest gen Prelude would more than hold it's own against the RWD power house with it's ancient suspension, compared to the Double wishbone suspension of the Prelude. Also, GT2 didn't have the latest Gen, they had the 91' SiVtec, which didn't come to the US until 93. Not saying the prelude is the be all end all, but you apparently are not very well informed to judge a car, and you are a huge fan of drag racing, on of the least exciting sports, and if you want to talk about import fans, the people you are speaking about that drag are not really true import fans, they are domestic racers who chose to use import cars, everyone else who drives an import and is a races it the way it was ment to be generally participates in SCCA Solo II, otherwise known as Autocross.

kthxbye.

 

[The359]

Since everyone's complaining, here are the most repeated (confirmed) cars on the list so far:

Nissan Skylines: 25
Nissan Fairlady Zs: 12
Mitsubishi Lancers: 11
Honda NSXs: 11
Subaru Imprezas: 11
Toyota Celicas: 10
Mazda Miatas/Roadsters/Eunos Roadsters: 9
Subaru Legacies: 9
Honda Integras: 7
Honda Civics: 7
Chevrolet Corvettes: 7
Toyota Supras: 7
Nissan Silvias: 6.5
Mazda RX-7s: 5
Peugeot 20Xs: 5
Toyota MR2s/MR-Ss: 5
Honda S2000s: 5
BMW M3s: 4
Chevrolet Camaros: 4
Dodge Vipers: 4
Lotus Elises: 4
Mercedes-Benz SL Class: 4
Toyota Corollas: 4

 

[RacingFreak2k3]

Since everyone's complaining, here are the most repeated (confirmed) cars on the list so far:

Nissan Skylines: 25
Nissan Fairlady Zs: 12
Mitsubishi Lancers: 11
Honda NSXs: 11
Subaru Imprezas: 11
Toyota Celicas: 10
Mazda Miatas/Roadsters/Eunos Roadsters: 9
Subaru Legacies: 9
Honda Integras: 7
Honda Civics: 7
Chevrolet Corvettes: 7
Toyota Supras: 7
Nissan Silvias: 6.5
Mazda RX-7s: 5
Peugeot 20Xs: 5
Toyota MR2s/MR-Ss: 5
Honda S2000s: 5
BMW M3s: 4
Chevrolet Camaros: 4
Dodge Vipers: 4
Lotus Elises: 4
Mercedes-Benz SL Class: 4
Toyota Corollas: 4

I just counted those and that added up to be 172. About 10 cars short of GT3's final car number of different cars of 183 or so with a 200 car garage. Now 172 is a lot for different variations for 23 car models, but the year spans are pretty high on some of them, which makes for some good variation at times. Plus 172 is not even close to the confirmed car amount of 650, which will most likely go past 700. Good job The 359.

 

[kinigitt]

Money and time. Unless you would have liked to see PD delay GT4 again, the broad domestic (import for them) research just was not worthwhile. One we do not know how long it takes to gather all of the data, we'll say for them they have to spend 1 day per every three cars.

With that said, they have to spend money on the following:

Plane Tickets - 500
Room -130/night
Food - 50/day
Equipment - ???
Track Time - ???
Rent the cars (uless provided) - ???

We'll guess there is a 5 man team. So, automatically we are at 2500 for flight costs, and we'll say they stay for a week. That's 4550 for lodging. And then there's food. That's 2450. That's 9500 for one week, and only 21 cars, not including any of the equpment costs, track time, or car costs.

Now. You tell me if polyphony is going to spend above 10K for 21 cars compared to the costs they can spend in a domestic area, which would be nearly HALF that for the same amount of cars, in fact they could probably twice as much in twice the time for half the price.

Money is a factor, it always is. Tell me what other games polyphony makes...exactly. Soley GT series, they dont' have any other games out (to the best of my knowledge, except for a game titled "omegaboost" ages ago). They are not a "powerhouse" they just happen to have a great team and produce great quality games.

So, they don't have to spend it or take the time or put in the effort.

BTW, your analogy is totally off, you're manipulating your own speculative numbers to prove a point. Basically, you have no clue.

In business, they will always spend the money if it's going to make more of it in return. It's called an investment. They sell more copies out of Japan than on domestic soil, so they have to think about their user base to keep em coming back for more, buying all the games and peripherals. They can't just count on hardcore fans that are willing to make excuses for them (like you) to make up for others that would appreciate more variety.

Especially with the backing of an industrial giant like Sony, the lack of funding excuse is pitiful.

 

[Famine]

and to the guy who said the latest gen prelude makes more power than an 82 corvette, wrong.

[...]

the 82 vette made about 205hp and 290 tq(i think)

[...]

now, do you really wanna go there and compare the latest vette to the last gen prelude? it makes more than twice as much power as a prelude- its not even worth mentioning a civic or accord.

not trying to start an american vs. japanese car war, just stating the obvious.

And, as tha_con points out, getting it badly wrong.

The comparison of pure basic power produced was between the 1982 Corvette and the last Prelude to roll off the production line - not the current Corvette.

If your numbers are correct - 205hp - then both the last Prelude and two different models of Honda Accord (which aren't worth mentioning of course) produce more power than the 1982 Corvette. And the most recent Civic Type-R (EP) produces 197hp - not so far off.

What this has to do with anything at all escapes me, but apropos of stating the obvious, the 1982 Corvette DID in fact produce less power than the last Prelude.

 

[tha_con]

So, they don't have to spend it or take the time or put in the effort.

BTW, your analogy is totally off, you're manipulating your own speculative numbers to prove a point. Basically, you have no clue.

In business, they will always spend the money if it's going to make more of it in return. It's called an investment. They sell more copies out of Japan than on domestic soil, so they have to think about their user base to keep em coming back for more, buying all the games and peripherals. They can't just count on hardcore fans that are willing to make excuses for them (like you) to make up for others that would appreciate more variety.

Especially with the backing of an industrial giant like Sony, the lack of funding excuse is pitiful.

I swear you really are a funny guy. There is a difference between an investment and a waste of money.

Think about it, if PD and sony can spend half as much money for twice as many cars, that is what they are going to do, it's a smart business choice.

Again, my numbers are rather flimsy, and giving, because guessing that they complete 3 cars in one day is generous.

If you still believe that money isn't a factor you are insane. No matter how much money there is, if sony can produce twice the output (cars) for half the cost (money) then what do you think their choice will be? It's about the money.
It's about time.

If they put in these cars, they miss holiday season, the lose out on money, where they had spent money before...therefore it is a loss of money, and missed opportunity, bad investment.

kthxbye.

 

[McLaren]

This is just me, but I think if they're going to put in a bunch of the same car, just different versions, then I think it would be a little cool and fair to include different types of the Vette, and other Euro and American cars. I mean, I miss not being able to drive The Oreca Viper, or Tyson (Or whatever) Viper in GT2. 👍

 

[The359]

I think you can add this car to the list

Already on the list. Orca's press release claims it'll be in GT4, but we'll see.

 

[Cobra S]

While I agree with you in some points, I think you need to realize that balance is more important than raw power. American muscle cars are build for the niche market of drag racing, where you go straight...it's not very exciting.

And actually, the latest gen prelude, top model (The Type-S) made 220HP and 156lbs ftlbs tq, with that and the ATTS, the latest gen Prelude would more than hold it's own against the RWD power house with it's ancient suspension, compared to the Double wishbone suspension of the Prelude. Also, GT2 didn't have the latest Gen, they had the 91' SiVtec, which didn't come to the US until 93. Not saying the prelude is the be all end all, but you apparently are not very well informed to judge a car, and you are a huge fan of drag racing, on of the least exciting sports, and if you want to talk about import fans, the people you are speaking about that drag are not really true import fans, they are domestic racers who chose to use import cars, everyone else who drives an import and is a races it the way it was ment to be generally participates in SCCA Solo II, otherwise known as Autocross.

kthxbye.

ok, so the prelude has 15 more hp, but almost half the torque, so explain to me how the prelude is faster, again? and you DO realize that the corvette was built to handle also, right? the vette and viper are the best handling cars in their price range, no japanese car can touch either of them at the drag strip or the race track, stock for stock. if you wanna look at some specs, look at the corvette and viper specs. nevermind the power, check out the skidpad and slalom speeds.

again, not trying to start a domestic vs. import war, just making sure you realize that not all american cars were built to go fast in a straight-line only.

 

[tha_con]

ok, so the prelude has 15 more hp, but almost half the torque, so explain to me how the prelude is faster, again? and you DO realize that the corvette was built to handle also, right? the vette and viper are the best handling cars in their price range, no japanese car can touch either of them at the drag strip or the race track, stock for stock. if you wanna look at some specs, look at the corvette and viper specs. nevermind the power, check out the skidpad and slalom speeds.

again, not trying to start a domestic vs. import war, just making sure you realize that not all american cars were built to go fast in a straight-line only.

since we are comparing...let me educate you, a 2001 Honda Prelude Type-S will demolish an '82 corvette on a track.


http://mlounge.home.comcast.net/CD_article/pg1.html

Read that. The Prelud SH (NOT the faster Type-S) scored the SAME as the Viper, and BETTER than both porsches...hmm....

Now you tell me...since you are so informed....how that is? Do not underestimate ATTS and the design of the Prelude Suspension simply because you have never driven one. Not to be rude, or a dick, but you are clearly judging this car based on your knowledge of ricers

 

[The359]

Read that. The Prelud SH (NOT the faster Type-S) scored the SAME as the Viper, and BETTER than both porsches...hmm....

Erm, a lot of those stats have nothing to do with performance at all. They have to do with build quality and junk like that.

And you have no clue how the Prelude would demolish a Corvette on the track. An '82 Corvette isn't listed in this little test, so you have no clue if it can beat the 1:25.0 time set by the Prelude.

 

[Cobra S]

since we are comparing...let me educate you, a 2001 Honda Prelude Type-S will demolish an '82 corvette on a track.


http://mlounge.home.comcast.net/CD_article/pg1.html

Read that. The Prelud SH (NOT the faster Type-S) scored the SAME as the Viper, and BETTER than both porsches...hmm....

Now you tell me...since you are so informed....how that is? Do not underestimate ATTS and the design of the Prelude Suspension simply because you have never driven one. Not to be rude, or a dick, but you are clearly judging this car based on your knowledge of ricers

looks like we're not gonna agree on the '82 vette, but do you at least agree the modern day vettes will demolish any honda pretty much, at the track?

and looking at the point system, the prelude scored the 3rd lowest.. but looking at the graph, which pretty much sums up the handling, it looks like the viper demolished all the other cars, and the corvette exceeded the prelude by a lot also- the prelude only beat the porsche boxster and supra UP TO 100MPH, then it pretty much crapped out... so basically, it sucks at handling after 100mph..?

 

[hellnback]

/me looks for the topic... did it not take this turn??? Can you re-direct me back to it...

 

[kinigitt]

I swear you really are a funny guy. There is a difference between an investment and a waste of money.

Think about it, if PD and sony can spend half as much money for twice as many cars, that is what they are going to do, it's a smart business choice.

Again, my numbers are rather flimsy, and giving, because guessing that they complete 3 cars in one day is generous.

If you still believe that money isn't a factor you are insane. No matter how much money there is, if sony can produce twice the output (cars) for half the cost (money) then what do you think their choice will be? It's about the money.
It's about time.

If they put in these cars, they miss holiday season, the lose out on money, where they had spent money before...therefore it is a loss of money, and missed opportunity, bad investment.

kthxbye.

Oh sure, they can be "smart", not put in the time or money now and shaft their customers for the short run. But not investing now just means it's going to bite them in the ass later when people lose interest. That's what investment is all about.

I am not a funny guy. I should know.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I don't see what you are trying to prove with comparing a new C5/C6 Vette to any Prelude. Apples and oranges. You labelled the Prelude slow, I pointed out a particular year of Vette which, in GT2, was most definitely comparable on strict power terms. By your definition, that would make the Vette slow. I'm fully aware it was probably choked to a percentage of what it could put out, but that's not the point.

But comparing a 5th gen Prelude to a 5th gen Vette? Of course it should demolish the Prelude in every measured performance test. But they are not even remotely competition for one another. Would you compare a Radical SR3 to a Vette? Of course not.

 

[JohnBM01]

To the one who was talking about "Tyson" Viper, you mean "Taisan," my friend. 👍

 

[Famine]

and to the guy who said the latest gen prelude makes more power than an 82 corvette, wrong. i dont know if in GT2 that was the case, but if it was, thats wrong.

ok, so the prelude has 15 more hp

Again, nothing else matters. You said the guy was wrong to say the Prelude had more power than the 1982 Corvette - and added that if that were the case in GT2, then Polyphony Digital were also wrong. You, in fact, were in the wrong and have actually now admitted the fact.

Nothing else matters - to quote Sgt. Friday, "Just the facts, ma'am". Whether "x" car is quicker than "y" car, regardless of its country of origin, doesn't enter into it. The facts are that the last Prelude has more power than the 1982 Corvette - a fact you went out of your way to call someone wrong on. Any chance you're going to apologise to him - or PD?

 

[tha_con]

looks like we're not gonna agree on the '82 vette, but do you at least agree the modern day vettes will demolish any honda pretty much, at the track?

and looking at the point system, the prelude scored the 3rd lowest.. but looking at the graph, which pretty much sums up the handling, it looks like the viper demolished all the other cars, and the corvette exceeded the prelude by a lot also- the prelude only beat the porsche boxster and supra UP TO 100MPH, then it pretty much crapped out... so basically, it sucks at handling after 100mph..?

What I find truely amusing is the fact that you continue to down the prelude, even though you have never driven one, simply because you love domestics. And the fact that you are reading the graph wrong, but that would be expected.

Point is, the prelude costs 26K when it released new in it's last generation. A Corvette is what, 45K? So for roughly half the price, should not get the same rating or higher, same with the viper.

Also, to The359. Those ratings have everything to do with performance..lets see..:
Agility
Accelleration
Braking
Directional Stability
Low and High Speed Cornering

If all of these do not reflect performance to you...then all I have to say is performance goes a lot further than horse power and foot pounds of torque.

 

[The359]

Also, to The359. Those ratings have everything to do with performance..lets see..:
Agility
Accelleration
Braking
Directional Stability
Low and High Speed Cornering

Nice how you completely left out such ratings as "ergonomics" There are quite a few sections in there that have nothing to do with performance, and therefore make the rating moot.