Advice Thread: What Is Wrong With Me?

[Koutch_Pro]

Hey guys,

just looking for some feedback on this move (please ignore my 'heat of the moment' live comm), in the hope that I can improve my race craft. Had a good few corners with this guy and in my eyes I was alongside enough to have the inside. Was i in the right to hold the line or should i have conseeded the place. I guess the sensible person in me should have know what was going to happen

You were alongside more then enough, imo you had the position. The other player didn't see you, or ignored you. In the hairpin you also made the pass on the inside where the other player turned in and bumped you.

 

[Nando deBem]

Hey guys,

just looking for some feedback on this move (please ignore my 'heat of the moment' live comm), in the hope that I can improve my race craft. Had a good few corners with this guy and in my eyes I was alongside enough to have the inside. Was i in the right to hold the line or should i have conseeded the place. I guess the sensible person in me should have know what was going to happen

Both times you were right. It actually looked like he tried to push you out in the second one. And about the the “heat of the moment”, if I were you, it’d be all “**** you”!

 

[nockscitney]

Thanks guys. I’m not trying to highlight bad racing from others and the way they drive, just questioning my actions.

I’m sure I’ll have more incidents in the future for scrutineering

 

[GTFraker]

Hey guys,

just looking for some feedback on this move (please ignore my 'heat of the moment' live comm), in the hope that I can improve my race craft. Had a good few corners with this guy and in my eyes I was alongside enough to have the inside. Was i in the right to hold the line or should i have conseeded the place. I guess the sensible person in me should have know what was going to happen

4th turn his fault for the slight touch, then he passes you after turn 5 and you proceed to squeeze him out which is your fault. Remember respectful racing is when you leave the other car enough space to operate. My own rule of thumb is to leave a car breadth or more if the other car has caught up with me enough to at least have its front tyres parallel to my rear.

 

[nockscitney]

Thanks for the advice I’ll keep it in mind. But with that in mind, I did try to leave the space here, but did I leave too much space? I could see him coming on the radar but ultimately it threw me off line and it all went a bit wrong

 

[GTFraker]

Thanks for the advice I’ll keep it in mind. But with that in mind, I did try to leave the space here, but did I leave too much space? I could see him coming on the radar but ultimately it threw me off line and it all went a bit wrong

In high speed turns like that you should stick like glue to the racing line or you lose a lot of time and risk going off track. You only leave space when the other car has caught up with you.

 

[BSDShoes]

^ especially in a Cayman, that car is so easy to drive and is super smooth through corners albeit slow on the straights, almost got a win in the Cayman the other day on Brands Hatch, cars had trouble keeping up with me until I got a tire on the grass by mistake and spun me out.

 

[nockscitney]

In high speed turns like that you should stick like glue to the racing line or you lose a lot of time and risk going off track. You only leave space when the other car has caught up with you.

Thanks for the advice. I’ll try to be more rigid in these situations

^ especially in a Cayman, that car is so easy to drive and is super smooth through corners albeit slow on the straights, almost got a win in the Cayman the other day on Brands Hatch, cars had trouble keeping up with me until I got a tire on the grass by mistake and spun me out.

Yeah, I was really struggling on the straights, but was strong (most of the time) in the first sector

 

[nockscitney]

OK so I've got a move last night from the Manufacturers race which I'm unsure about.

There are 2 things I'm unsure about, firstly did I come from too far back and secondly was my defending hard? I know there's no change of direction on my part, but I'm unsure if I squeezed too much.

 

[GTFraker]

You divebombed him to a degree which is apparent from you missing the apex, I suggest you be more patient and pressure the car in front into making mistakes.

 

[nockscitney]

You divebombed him to a degree which is apparent from you missing the apex, I suggest you be more patient and pressure the car in front into making mistakes.

That's what I was worried about How about the defending up the hill. Was that within reason or squeezed out too much?

 

[GTFraker]

That's what I was worried about How about the defending up the hill. Was that within reason or squeezed out too much?

If I was the other driver I'd say you squeezed me out, you were lucky he dropped back cause he could have easily eliminated you simply by turning left and hitting your rear wheel.

 

[nockscitney]

If I was the other driver I'd say you squeezed me out, you were lucky he dropped back cause he could have easily eliminated you simply by turning left and hitting your rear wheel.

Thanks for the insight and leaving your comments. I guess like the incident the other day on Blue Moon, I need to think about my spacing to the other car. My problem was being on the inside, I was trying not compromise my line, but I guess that's racing and part and parcel of that is if you take the inside line, you need to deal with it. I'll try harder in the racing tonight

 

[GTFraker]

Thanks for the insight and leaving your comments. I guess like the incident the other day on Blue Moon, I need to think about my spacing to the other car. My problem was being on the inside, I was trying not compromise my line, but I guess that's racing and part and parcel of that is if you take the inside line, you need to deal with it. I'll try harder in the racing tonight

The only way to improve your race craft is to race while also showing proper respect to the other drivers, they too are there to compete and showing good manners will buy you a lot of leeway as well.

Remember that with the new reporting system, you should beware of developing a bad reputation which could leave you vulnerable to being reported for every little incident.

 

[nockscitney]

The only way to improve your race craft is to race while also showing proper respect to the other drivers, they too are there to compete and showing good manners will buy you a lot of leeway as well.

Remember that with the new reporting system, you should beware of developing a bad reputation which could leave you vulnerable to being reported for every little incident.

I'm used to racing against AI which are more predictable. In other racing games I've steered away from online modes because of the inevitable Turn 1 rammers which ruin your race. In my mind I'm always trying to be courteous to other drivers, but others aren't always the same and I guess it can be very easy to think, "well if they are, why can't I". You can drive fairly, leave all the room, but then the other driver still turns in on you anyway, which is why I'm trying to "toughen up" a bit by racing hard, but fair, which is why I started to post my clips on this thread, so that I can learn from my own experiences.

 

[GTFraker]

I'm used to racing against AI which are more predictable. In other racing games I've steered away from online modes because of the inevitable Turn 1 rammers which ruin your race. In my mind I'm always trying to be courteous to other drivers, but others aren't always the same and I guess it can be very easy to think, "well if they are, why can't I". You can drive fairly, leave all the room, but then the other driver still turns in on you anyway, which is why I'm trying to "toughen up" a bit by racing hard, but fair, which is why I started to post my clips on this thread, so that I can learn from my own experiences.

I have had my fair share of rammers as well, I have been battered to last from pole or top 3 numerous times and I also have managed to claw my way back to the front. I have shouted profanities and also laughed with glee, at the end of the day, you treat it as a game which reflects realities of life and real life racing to a certain degree.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I'm used to racing against AI which are more predictable. In other racing games I've steered away from online modes because of the inevitable Turn 1 rammers which ruin your race. In my mind I'm always trying to be courteous to other drivers, but others aren't always the same and I guess it can be very easy to think, "well if they are, why can't I". You can drive fairly, leave all the room, but then the other driver still turns in on you anyway, which is why I'm trying to "toughen up" a bit by racing hard, but fair, which is why I started to post my clips on this thread, so that I can learn from my own experiences.

I recommend reversing your experience. Race passively and pressure them first. After some racing you'll eventually learn how to read other drivers. You'll eventually know who's courteous and who's not just by reading their moves for a couple of corners, or 4. After racecraft analysis comes the attack. You analyze where they usually come wide, or when you see the gap closing in on the exit of a particular corner. And then set up the attack. Get an overlap if you're gonna divebomb, and if you're gonna get a better exit, lure the opponent to the inside, and then brake earlier while turning back to the outside. (Yes that's allowed). Take a late apex, and voila better exit speed

These are just a few examples, but I hope you get my point

 

[GTFraker]

I haven't really tried the Viper in Dragon Trail. But I guess some quick advice would be to have more confidence with the throttle

Took your advice and shaved off over a third of a second, granted not in the same car but at that point I had recorded my best time on DT in the Viper.

 

[Robben]

I recommend reversing your experience. Race passively and pressure them first. After some racing you'll eventually learn how to read other drivers. You'll eventually know who's courteous and who's not just by reading their moves for a couple of corners, or 4. After racecraft analysis comes the attack. You analyze where they usually come wide, or when you see the gap closing in on the exit of a particular corner. And then set up the attack. Get an overlap if you're gonna divebomb, and if you're gonna get a better exit, lure the opponent to the inside, and then brake earlier while turning back to the outside. (Yes that's allowed). Take a late apex, and voila better exit speed

These are just a few examples, but I hope you get my point

This is true... you can often get an easier opportunity just by following someone closely for a lap or so, the pressure of having your little blue triangle so close to theirs on their radar will usually cause them to try and take a corner too fast r make another mistake

This happens much less, the higher ranking you are though

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Took your advice and shaved off over a third of a second, granted not in the same car but at that point I had recorded my best time on DT in the Viper.

Cool! That's a great time
Just a bit more advice, at Turn 1 it depends on the car, but you can brake either in between the red road and the start of the curbs, or at the start of the curbs themselves. But looking at your corner speed you're actually faster than me there, so I guess it's a compromise between maximizing that pit straight or a better cornering speed and exit on T1?
Turn 4 you can take it flat out if the steering rythm's correct (There's a slight discoloration on the mountain to the left that I use as a turn-in marker. It's whiter than the whole wall), and by extension if you take it flat out, the moment you get onto the outer curbs, brake hard into T5
And a bit more confidence on the bus stop! 200 should be possible. But overall, excellent lap!

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I recommend reversing your experience. Race passively and pressure them first. After some racing you'll eventually learn how to read other drivers.

I completely agree. I approached online racing with the initial notion of leaving space for everyone and only passing on people who made massive errors and went off track. I then migrated to only leaving space for overlapped cars, pressuring lead drivers and exploiting errors for outside passing. At this point now, I'm very assertive with my race lines, I won't hesitate to run two wide around turns, I'll pass to the inside if they can't hold their line, and I'm only giving overlapped cars enough space to stay on the track. Throughout that entire transition my SR has never dipped below S.

 

[GTFraker]

Cool! That's a great time
Just a bit more advice, at Turn 1 it depends on the car, but you can brake either in between the red road and the start of the curbs, or at the start of the curbs themselves. But looking at your corner speed you're actually faster than me there, so I guess it's a compromise between maximizing that pit straight or a better cornering speed and exit on T1?
Turn 4 you can take it flat out if the steering rythm's correct (There's a slight discoloration on the mountain to the left that I use as a turn-in marker. It's whiter than the whole wall), and by extension if you take it flat out, the moment you get onto the outer curbs, brake hard into T5
And a bit more confidence on the bus stop! 200 should be possible. But overall, excellent lap!

Thanks for the tips, I need to work on my steering a bit more to be able to nail that turn in full throttle, I know everybody takes it flat out but I have problems pulling it off consistently.

PS: What made the lap even more satisfying was that I took pole with it and won the race.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

I completely agree. I approached online racing with the initial notion of leaving space for everyone and only passing on people who made massive errors and went off track. I then migrated to only leaving space for overlapped cars, pressuring lead drivers and exploiting errors for outside passing. At this point now, I'm very assertive with my race lines, I won't hesitate to run two wide around turns, I'll pass to the inside if they can't hold their line, and I'm only giving overlapped cars enough space to stay on the track. Throughout that entire transition my SR has never dipped below S.

Not yet at the same level of assertiveness as you are yet since I still tend to hang at the back of someone for half a lap before being confident enough to make a move cleanly. But damn those overtakes sound fun!

Thanks for the tips, I need to work on my steering a bit more to be able to nail that turn in full throttle, I know everybody takes it flat out but I have problems pulling it off consistently.

PS: What made the lap even more satisfying was that I took pole with it and won the race.

Based on your pace throughout the rest of the lap though it's a small matter of time before you get there
Congrats on the pole and win!

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Not yet at the same level of assertiveness as you are yet since I still tend to hang at the back of someone for half a lap before being confident enough to make a move cleanly. But damn those overtakes sound fun!

It definitely does take a level of observational familiarity with the driver. Usually after a lap you can tell if they're game for clean tight driving or not.

 

[nockscitney]

So I just wanted to give a quick update after a night of racing and trying to take on board your feedback.

The Manufacturers race was a write off, I can’t remember what exactly happened at this point, but I’ll upload it to my channel later today. I then spent about 2 1/2 hours in the Daily B race around Monza. My advise, don’t race this track if you want to keep a good SR. Trying to be more cautious to others, I’ve lost 30 points from my SR, while leaving space or holding back and then someone “tearing in at full speed” knocking me off track. There seems to be a massive difference between S and A SR drivers, but I’m finding it hard to get out of that rut, which is a pain in the butt.

On a positive note though, I’ve had some really good battles with some like minded racers and I managed to notch win #2 in sport mode . I’ve also improved my DR loads and have now reached the B class for DR which I’m happy about, so I’m hoping for some better quality racers now (even if I maybe off the pace for a while)

Thanks again for all the tips and advice so far.

 

[nockscitney]

Having taken the advice, here is, what I believe to be, an example of fantastic, respectful racing. Pretty much 3 wide for a whole lap, but not one of us really over stepped the mark. There was one moment where I felt I'd come from too far back (Second chicane), so I handed the place back

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Having taken the advice, here is, what I believe to be, an example of fantastic, respectful racing. Pretty much 3 wide for a whole lap, but not one of us really over stepped the mark. There was one moment where I felt I'd come from too far back (Second chicane), so I handed the place back

Lovely!

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

Having taken the advice, here is, what I believe to be, an example of fantastic, respectful racing. Pretty much 3 wide for a whole lap, but not one of us really over stepped the mark. There was one moment where I felt I'd come from too far back (Second chicane), so I handed the place back

Your racing looks much cleaner but ironically, running 3 wide for that long is pretty reckless. As I'm sure you noticed, when you get boxed in the middle like that you have little control of where you are going as you are just reacting to the cars on either side of you. Usually it's a fast track to an incident. So kudos for giving people space to drive but I'd avoid that scenario in the future especially when a drafting opportunity can present itself.

Also, @1:50 you dive bombed the line pretty hard. You were able to stay on the track and not run to the outer edge but you were lucky that the lead car didn't reach the apex by the time you did. When running the inside line you will usually brake earlier and not as deep or late as late braking from that far behind the lead car is really just a barge pass to the inside. The lack of the collision there was really a testament to the other driver who simply extended his braking line and stayed on the outside to avoid you.

 

[nockscitney]

How Not to Start a Race From Pole

Was I too nervous / cautious into 1 or was it all on the rammer from behind? (the video should be timestamped) I think personally my foot was stuck on the brake pedal because of the pressure #crumbledLikeACookie

 

[Lord Grey]

How Not to Start a Race From Pole

Was I too nervous / cautious into 1 or was it all on the rammer from behind? (the video should be timestamped) I think personally my foot was stuck on the brake pedal because of the pressure #crumbledLikeACookie

It looks like you were a bit cautious, but you were punted quite hard; the car behind you was probably coming in a little too hot for lap 1, turn 1.

Getting T1 right on the first lap is sometimes pretty difficult. The car handles differently and you're usually coming up on the turn slower than usual. I've actually practiced this, as much as I can, by starting a lap as if it was a race in order to find the right braking point for T1. It's not perfect, but it does help.