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Is there extraterrestrial life?

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (non carbon based)

    Votes: 19 2.5%
  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon based)

    Votes: 25 3.3%
  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon and non carbon based)

    Votes: 82 10.8%
  • Yes, and they are humanoid creatures

    Votes: 39 5.1%
  • Yes, and they are those associated with abductions

    Votes: 19 2.5%
  • Yes, but I don't know what they'd be like

    Votes: 379 49.8%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 151 19.8%
  • No, they only exist in movies

    Votes: 47 6.2%

  • Total voters
    761
So this is the work of aliens?
Possibly, some say. But the government, pilots, analysts and reporters involved are generally being very careful to avoid that loaded pop-culture term and that loaded pop-culture implication.There is no solid evidence of who or what is "behind the wheel", so to speak. It could be defective radar equipment, delusional pilots, weather phenomena, or a secret test program, but these are all looking like a stretch at the moment. The people involved are trying to get better data on what the phenomena is doing and how it is doing it. They think a technology is involved and they think they have an idea how it works. Their first job is to destigmatize internal military reporting and discussion of the phenomena in order to get more and better data.

My personal thoughts of course don't matter. But all along I have taken the view that no aliens are here on Earth, that the phenomena is essentially plasma (dust and electricity), that originates on Earth (okay, the Sun too), and that consciousness is a huge, huge part of the phenomena. The term "alien" might seem very inadequate at some point.

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Embedded in influential positions in DoD in general and the US Air Force in particular are Christian fundamentalists who have worked for decades to keep this phenomena stigmatized and under wrap. They believe it to be the work of demons. Needless to say, this group has appeared to lose at least a little influence recently.

 
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Non-specialist mainstream TV media personalities react to military/insider UFO revelations from earlier in the week.







Intelligencia has its say:

PLEASE, GOD, LET IT BE ALIENS AND NOT TRUMP’S SPACE FORCE
It appears the U.S. government is softening us up for a revelation, either regarding extraterrestrial life or a world-disruptive military technology. It’s sad to say that alien life seems like the safer option.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/please-god-let-it-be-aliens-and-not-trumps-space-force


The community of young researchers chimes in:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nea4pk/the-navy-says-ufos-are-real-ufo-hunters-are-thrilled
The Navy Says UFOs Are Real. UFO Hunters Are Thrilled

A new generation of ufologists are being inspired by military sightings and mainstream news stories.

“The community has always strived for legitimacy, but at the end of the day, they didn’t care what people thought about them or their theories, no matter how outlandish or ridiculous," Sprague told Motherboard. "And now, just like any revolution, UFOs have earned the spotlight after being ridiculed for so long. UFOs exist. Our government and military have admitted it. Now we take that next step and ask the hard questions.”


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Fairly well produced documentary of the Nimitz "tic-tac" encounters.




Would you like to be skeptical of all this? Yes, I would, but my pet theories aren't faring well at the moment. So at last I have found today's cutting edge of what passes for UFO skepticism:

IF UFO DISCLOSURE IS COMING, IS THE WORLD PREPARED? DOES IT EVEN CARE?
RED PILL JUNKIESATURDAY, JUNE 1ST

“When I was with the army in New Jersey in the 50s, we had an incident on the base where many people saw a UFO. The next day we were ALL told “Many of you went home last night and told your loved ones that you saw a ufo.” They then gave the order: “You will go home tonight and tell them that you were mistaken and that what you saw was not a UFO.” I have always thought that we are not alone in this universe. I remain agnostic. But I always wondered why they made such a point to tells us what was not seen.”

The above quote was tweeted by beloved TV and Hollywood actor Ed Asner, as a comment on the much MUCH discussed New York Times article that caught everybody by surprise during Memorial weekend. When even Mr. Fredricksen is freaking talking about UFOs, even critics of Tom DeLonge and TTSA have to concede things are getting interesting!

Unless you were hiding under a rock, you were also probably caught by the avalanche of mainstream media articles unleashed by the NYT piece: The Washington Post, The Hill, The New York Post, National Post, Washington Examiner, Rolling Stone, Newsweek, Vanity Fair and a long etcetera. At last! This is what UFO buffs always wanted, right? Right??

Well, Yes and No…

For starters, what would superficially seem like a deluge of UFO-related news is just the same story repeated and commented upon over and over again; namely the testimony of NAVY aviators who were part of the “Red Rippers” Navy Strike Fighter Squadron 11 (VFA-11) of F-18s Super Hornets, who had a series of bizarre encounters with unidentified objects while they were on training maneuvers on board the USS Theodore Roosevelt at the United States’ East coast in 2014-2015, prior to their deployment to the Persian gulf. One of those encounters would account for the famous ‘Gimbal’ video released by To the Stars in 2017.

Secondly, the drip-dripping of small tidbits of information pertaining to these encounters across UFO online circles, coupled with the timing of the first articles that hit the news early this week, seems to suggest they were all part of a heavy-handed PR campaign aiming to promote History’s TV series Unidentified, which premieres tonight at 10pm Eastern – and no, I’m not the only one saying that: De Void’s Billy Cox and The Drive’s Tyler Rogoway also share that opinion, albeit they may not express it as bluntly as I am. Some of those articles were op-eds written by people directly involved with To The Stars (Tom DeLonge and Chris Mellon) while the rest are natural reactions of modern mainstream media of seeing a hot topic and joining the trend –most media nowadays consist of 90% punditry and 10% actual investigation, after all.

We’ve also learned that some of the journalists who have been recently writing about these stories encounters also make an appearance as talking heads on Unidentified — like Politico‘s Bryan Bender, who failed to mention his involvement with the TV series when he wrote about the Navy’s new guidelines for reporting UAPs. In the service of transparency these journalists should have made a ‘full disclosure’ (pun totally intended) of their level of involvement with TTSA and the series’ producers.

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So, if the current ‘UFO hype’ was orchestrated at some level, has it at least attained the desired effect? As an outsider observer of American society –and UFO Disclosure seems to be mostly centered in the United States at the moment– I can only comment on what I can assess from online interactions. Over the week popular influencers like Xeni Jardin and Chris Hayes expressed varying levels of interest on the New York Times article on social media, despite not being particularly interested in the UFO phenomenon per se, and remaining agnostic about its possible otherworldly implications. A cursory review on the comments found in Hayes’ thread ranged from the LOLzy (“Don’t blame me. I voted for Kodos”), to the Meh-sy (“This is a two-year old news”) to the witty-yet-poignant (“Until they are talking about it in a Midwest diner it doesn’t matter”).

The “two-year old” remark is worth pointing out, because it shows confusion mixed with apathy. The uninterested reader skims through the content and sees the same TTSA-watermarked screen grab of the Gimbal video that was first published by the NYT in 2017, and concludes this is yesterday’s news –after all, we’re all still here which means the aliens haven’t vaporized us (we’ll get back to that).

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What can be the source of that apathy, aside from the decades-old cultural disregard for the UFO subject? Part of it might be the fact that we live in an age of sensory overload: We wake up at the sound of our cell phone’s alarm, and the first thing we do is open Twitter or Facebook, to check out what our social circles are ranting or raving about. This week we burned our thumbs giving our opinion about Mueller’s statement, Trump’s bullying moves against China and Mexico, and the unresolved issue of Brexit. Meanwhile we remember there are bills to pay, our monthly mortgage/student debt monthly payment is due, and on top of it all there’s the Damocles sword on top of everyone’s head called Climate Change.

It’s hard to pay attention to the lights in the sky, when the ground itself is on fire.

But then again, that might have been part of the plan all along: Dimming the brunt of the impact of UFO reality by releasing key information when people are too busy navigating life in the 21st century, in order to prevent everything to screech and collapse awaiting further revelations. Such have been possible scenarios for a “lower-case disclosure” explored by theorists in the field like Richard Dolan and Bryce Zavel.

And there’s also no denying that, despite the fact we’re still going about our business as best we can, people ARE talking about UFOs. Asner’s introductory tweet is one example, and so is John Podesta’s. As cynical and skeptical of TTSA’s ultimate intentions or modus operandi you could be, one cannot deny a certain amount of the old stigma is being lifted. If the trend lasts is anyone guess, especially since the engineered hype is not being currently backed by the one thing that REALLY riles up the masses and motivates them to demand answers from their appointed leaders: A good old UFO flap over populated areas –the fact that TTSA relies on events that happened 4-5 years ago will be a hard sell in the age of the instant news feedback.

One thing is for sure, and that is even though we may not be witnessing the dawn of Disclosure, we ARE witnessing the end of UFOlogy as we have currently known it for the last 30 years. TTSA is where it’s at and MUFON is nothing but a bloated whale carcass rotting on the beach of public opinion, and if people are still renewing their memberships it’s probably more out of a sentiment of old camaraderie rather than a real pursuit for investigating UFOs. The need for belonging is deep, but not perennial.

It would seem TTSA achieved what NICAP and APRO only dreamed of, even though Chris Mellon’s op-ed on The Hill explicitly states TTSA is not interested in following the route of previous UFO groups, and doesn’t perceive any value in ‘Congress hearings’ in order to increase public awareness on the subject. It seems TTSA’s message to the government is clear: “We want to work with you, not against you.” Perhaps that approach will pay short-term dividends, hinted at by the recent (unofficial) news Lockheed Martin is partnering with TTSA – a move that should surprise no one, since the former head of Lockheed Martin’s Skunkworks, Steve Justice, is a board member of TTSA.


It also seems TTSA is not gaining any meaningful opposition from the usual skeptic circles. The New York Times article quoted an astrophysicist whose only contribution to the discussion was to turn his lame debunking attempts to explain away the Red Rippers’ observations of anomalous phenomena (“bugs in the code”) into the new “swamp gas” of the 21st century. An explanation that doesn’t even try to tackle the near-collision of two fighter planes with an object described as a “cube encased in a sphere.”

No. The old rules in UFOlogy have changed: Philip Klass and Donald Menzel’s heirs (Shostak and DeGrasse Tyson) have also been made irrelevant, and the only meaningful counterweights to TTSA’s narrative are currently coming from critics inside UFOlogy, like John Greenewald’s The Black Vault –which has published interesting findings relating to the provenance of the videos promoted by TTSA, and whether they have a right to commercially exploit them– and Jack Brewer at The UFO Trail, who (among other things) has been researching the shady connections between MUFON and Robert Bigelow during the days when he had the AATIP contract with the Pentagon.

And there’s also Tyler Rogoway, whose writings at The Drive leave the question open on whether the Navy was actually testing American breakthrough technology under ideal (and controlled) conditions, given the fact the Roosevelt incidents happened 10 years after the Nimitz encounters –also promoted by TTSA– and on both occasions the Navy had fitted their ships and fighter jets with the same top-of-the-line radar systems. Although that prospect seems as unrealistic as bonafide ETs playing cat-and-mouse with US fighters just as a way to kill time between hyper-jumps, the fact that a scientist working for the Navy was granted a patent for an exotic propulsion craft which went into effect TODAY — coinciding with the premiere of Unidentified – is at the very least synchronistically curious.

It doesn’t take a Stargate remote viewer, though, to guess both synchronicities and critical arguments like the ones presented by Brewer and Greenewald will NOT be featured on History’s Unidentified…

The question to ask is then: Will TTSA manage to maintain the current hype they have tried so hard to create with the help of their journalist allies and their partnered TV series Unidentified, since they are so bent on focusing solely on the (alleged) technological aspects of the phenomenon –the impossible accelerations/decelerations, the physics-defying 90° turns and the ability of these objects to hover “for days” on the same spot– given the fact that a huge chunk of the public will presumably ask during or after they tune in to History’s Unidentified: “So what about my neighbor who says she’s been abductedby aliens? Is she crazy or is that part of what’s going on, too?”

Because THAT is the main reason why some of us are willing to criticize To the Stars’ otherwise commendable push to bring UFOs into ‘respectability’: Because in order to do that they seem to be willing to leave the most significant aspects of the UFO mystery out of the ongoing discussion. They will leave the high strangeness behind, without understanding that high strangeness is THE most important part of the whole phenomenon. They will say to their viewers, “We need to be aware of this highly advanced technological presence threatening our sovereignty!” and the public will ask, “If they are so advanced, how come they haven’t invaded/colonized/destroyed us yet? Have there been any actual DEATHS in these encounters between our pilots and these ‘tic-tac’ thingies?” And TTSA may not have a way to answer.

The ball is in TTSA’s court now. Unidentified will premiere in a few hours, and it will change the UFO conversation further. The usual suspects will jump up and down with any tiny morsel of new information thrown at them –some “NATO ally” that shared their experiences with AATIP, some new tiny, revelation hand-crafted to keep the buzz going.

But as all things in this murky field, NOTHING is as straightforward as it seems.

We are facing a form of intelligence that cannot simply be tracked with radars and cameras. It was already here before science was invented; it will still be here when science becomes superseded by other ways of gaining knowledge. Our soul is the only tool that is of any use in this search. Our soul, alas! What is left of it?

Jacques Vallee, Forbidden Science Vol. 1


NY Post reporter and Nick Pope discuss UFO history.

 
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In an interview with ABC reporter George Stephanopolous, the President of the US acknowledges he's seen, read and heard reports of recent increased Navy pilot encounters with UFOs. He admits being briefed on it. Asked if he "believed", he said "not particularly". Asked if he would know if there was evidence of extraterrestrials, Trump demurred and allowed that his "great pilots would know", saying some of them see things differently than in the past. Stephanopolous is former close aide to Bill and Hillary Clinton, who have made several modest and unsuccessful efforts in the past to discuss the UFO situation with the American public.

The ET hypothesis seems to be the leading explanation for the Navy encounters with fleets of UFOs in the Pacific, Atlantic and Middle East. However, there is some possibility being given to a government conspiracy and disinformation campaign to conceal, obfuscate or leverage futuristic military weapons testing. Another hypothesis, possibly the dominant one in the recent history of the DoD and USAF, is that the phenomena are supernatural and demonic, and that no discussion should be encouraged.



The "Five Observable Traits" of the UFOs:
- Anti-gravity lift
- Sudden and instantaneous acceleration
- Hypersonic velocities without signature
- Low observability or cloaking
- Trans-medium travel

https://www.history.com/news/ufo-sightings-speed-appearance-movement
 
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Senators get classified briefing, followed by tumbler of scotch, prostitute, and well-deserved nap.
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“If naval pilots are running into unexplained interference in the air, that’s a safety concern Senator Warner believes we need to get to the bottom of,” Sen. Mark Warner's spokesperson said. | Mark Wilson/Getty Images

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Senators get classified briefing on UFO sightings

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/warner-classified-briefing-ufos-1544273

Three more U.S. senators received a classified Pentagon briefing on Wednesday about a series of reported encounters by the Navy with unidentified aircraft, according to congressional and government officials — part of a growing number of requests from members of key oversight committees.

One of them was Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, whose office confirmed the briefing to POLITICO.

“If naval pilots are running into unexplained interference in the air, that’s a safety concern Senator Warner believes we need to get to the bottom of,” his spokesperson, Rachel Cohen, said in a statement.

The interest in “unidentified aerial phenomenon” has grown since revelations in late 2017 that the Pentagon had set up a program to study the issue at the request of then-Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.). Officials interviewed multiple current and former sailors and aviators who claim to have encountered highly advanced aircraft that appeared to defy the laws of aerodynamics when they intruded on protected military airspace — some of which were captured on video and made public.

USS Nimitz aircraft carrier battle group off California in 2004 and the USS Theodore Roosevelt in the Atlantic in 2015 and 2016.

The growing congressional interest is credited for playing a major role in the service’s recent decision to update the procedures for pilots and other personnel to report such unexplained sightings, which POLITICO first reported in April.

“In response to requests for information from Congressional members and staff, Navy officials have provided a series of briefings by senior Naval Intelligence officials as well as aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety,” the service said in a statement to POLITICO at the time.

The Navy had no immediate comment on Wednesday, and few details of the latest secret sessions were available.

told ABC News that he, too, had been briefed on the reports. “I did have one very brief meeting on it,” he said. “But people are saying they’re seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particularly.”

But several current and former officials with direct knowledge describe the Capitol Hill briefing as the latest for members of Congress and their staff representing the Intelligence, Armed Services and Defense Appropriations panels.

“There are people coming out of the woodwork,” said one former government official who has participated in some of the meetings.

A current intelligence official added: “More requests for briefings are coming in.”

The sessions have been organized by the Navy but have also included staff from the under secretary of Defense for Intelligence, the sources said. Both were not authorized to talk publicly about the briefings.

Advocates for giving the mystery greater attention say they hope Congress will take more formal steps, such as requiring the Department of Defense to collect and complete a detailed analysis of data collected by satellites and other means of unidentified craft intruding into military airspace or operating under the sea.


 
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Recent UFO Encounters With Navy Pilots Occurred Constantly Across Multiple Squadrons
We have exclusive details about the incidents off the east coast in 2014 and 2015, including that the objects all looked exactly the same.
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One of the biggest questions surrounding the most recent known spate of UFO encounters with U.S. Navy pilots—those that occurred off the southeastern seaboard of the United States between 2014 and early 2015—pertains to how persistent they actually were. We know Super Hornet aircrews from Strike Fighter Squadron 11 (VFA-11), the Red Rippers, detected unknown objects multiple times on radar and one aircrew even had a close encounter visually with one of them, but what about the rest of the many Hornet squadrons based at Naval Air Station Oceana, not to mention the E-2 Hawkeye squadrons from nearby NAS Norfolk? We have the answer to this question and it is remarkable.


A source with knowledge of the events has made it clear to The War Zone that presence of the mysterious objects in the restricted training airspace off America's east coast was so pervasive that it was largely common knowledge among local flying units. They noted that the majority of the Super Hornet squadrons equipped with AN/APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars—you can read all about this technology and how it was key in detecting these objects in our exclusive piece on the subject—at the time were having the same experiences, as well as the crews flying the new E-2D Hawkeye with its incredibly powerful AN/APY-9 radar suite. It literally became such a common and near everyday occurrence that Naval Aviators and Naval Flight Officers from the base would talk about it informally with regularity.

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The E-2D Hawkeye is one of the most capable aerial surveillance platforms ever created.
But that doesn't mean formal action wasn't taken. Beyond filing an official safety report after one of the jets almost hit one of the unidentified objects—described eerily as a translucent sphere with a cube structure suspended inside of it—Notices To Airman (NOTAMs) were posted regarding the dangers potentially posed by unknown aerial vehicles flying in the same military operating areas that aircraft from NAS Oceana frequented for training. This action was taken by the base's command leadership as they couldn't figure out how else to address the bizarre issue and its perceived threat to their aircrews' safety.

We have since filed Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests for copies of these NOTAMs, as well as documents regarding how the decision to file the NOTAMs was made at the command level.

Another burning question surrounding these events pertains to whether or not additional visual encounters occurred beyond the one near miss with the Super Hornet and the 'cube inside an orb' object. Our source tells us that there were many more, and yes, they all resulted in the exact same descriptionof the object. So, we are talking about a uniform set of very strange looking objects here that were spotted on radar, by infrared targeting pods, and by the naked eye, frequently over 2014 and the first part of 2015 above the waters off America's southeastern coastline.

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VFA-11's color jet pulls in to park at NAS Oceana.

As we noted in our last piece on the subject, these encounters dropped off to the point they were described as fleeting and inconclusive at best once VFA-11 and its carrier air wing went on cruise to the Middle East in early Spring of 2015. In addition, we know that the carrier strike group and its aircraft were equipped with key new sensor fusion technologies for that deployment, a fact that is eerily similar to the circumstances surrounding the now famous 'Tic Tac' incident nearly a decade earlier. All of which makes these objects' presence during the time leading up to that deployment that much more curious.

Yet at the same time, the fact that the volume of these recent encounters seems much greater and spread over a much larger period of time versus the infamous incident in 2004 is puzzling. And none of this even addresses the very peculiar physical appearance of these objects, but we have another report on that subject that will be filed in the very near future.

Still, at least we now have a much better sense of how widespread these encounters were and the cultural impact that they had on the Navy's east coast master fighter jet base. This also underscores just how taboo this topic was to military aviators. The fact that these types of events could have been so pervasive, yet kept so hushed-up outside of Navy tactical aircraft aircrew circles, is telling in itself and provides good evidence as to why the Navy had to officially change is procedures for its personnel reporting such strange incidents.

All this comes as Congress is taking a high-interest in the subject as of late, with multiple briefings being given to key lawmakers with the military's top witnesses.

Whatever the case may be, we are definitely entering into uncharted territory when it comes to this long shunned and abused topic. What exactly that will mean when it comes to actually getting to the truth of the matter remains to be understood.
 
Meet the HUAC, an "hybrid aerospace-underwater craft" claimed to be capable of truly extraordinary feats of speed and maneuverability in air, water, and outer space alike thanks to a revolutionary electromagnetic propulsion system


Earlier this year, Reid stated that the U.S., Russia, and China are currently in a "UFO race." We know the Chinese have already publicly made major strides in electromagnetic naval capabilities including railguns and aircraft catapults, as well as other highly advanced defense technologies. Could Reid have meant that these three military powers are currently scrambling to be the first to master the technology behind a hybrid aerospace-undersea craft and deploy it on a substantial scale? If so, where does the Navy, and the Pentagon as a whole, currently stand in that clandestine race?

Furthermore, Pais notes in the paper that such a technology “would permit swift movement of the HAUC beyond our Solar System.” Is this an undisclosed reason why we suddenly need a Space Force? Is this what Air Force Lieutenant General Vera Linn Jamieson was referring to last year when she casually dropped during an unrelated interview that in "different galaxies in the future we’re going to actually have capability that we have right now in the air”? And this is hardly the only highly peculiar thing that Air Force leadership has spouted off about in regards to the future of America's military footprint in space.

It's also possible that this patent is just another facet of an information operation that goes along with a larger UFO narrative to promote the Pentagon's undisclosed interests. But the inclusion of China, a very terrestrial potential foe and America's chief technological adversary, as a direct competitor when it comes to the technology seems odd and even counterproductive if that were the case.

On the other hand, some may say that this could be proof of two superpowers struggling to mimic the capabilities of something they are observing, but do not fully understand on a technological level. Considering all the unknowns, all possibilities are worth examining. But taking the information surrounding this patent at face value, it seems to point further to the possibility that the technology could indeed be manmade.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...d-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances
 
...and here I thought HUAC was the House Unamerican Activities Committee...
That HUAC was born in '38 and died thirty some years later, becoming very controversial in the 50's.

The UFO phenomenon gained mass notice in the late forties, and is undergoing some kind of shift into more widespread "acceptance" at the moment. Development in radar technology has led to scores of Navy pilots interacting with fleets of 100's of UFO on a daily basis for months on end in the Atlantic, with near-collisions forcing the Admirals to issue NOTAMs warning of the danger. The antics of the UFOs have not changed in 70 years, but our radars have improved to the point where the strange phenomena is getting increasingly under foot. In the Pacific, a fleet of ~100 objects were seen descending from space above a magnetic anomaly/crustal fault near Catalina Island, then slowly cruising down the coastline before descending into the ocean at another such location off Mexico. This is what pilots and radar operators are saying to the NY Times and other investigators. Some of these pilots are active duty and bringing flight log books and official DoD video to back up their stories. It could be a giant hoax or coverup by the military. It could be "foreign" technology. Or it could be something else. What is your opinion?

https://www.space.com/ufo-investigations-mufon-50-years.html
 
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It always seems to be areas where the military are doing stuff that these unusual phenomena are most likely to be witnessed. There is still a curious lack of an incontrovertible event witnessed by millions, clearly caught on camera or recorded in some way that is convincing... which is telling.

Also, it turns out that MUFON's HQ are a stone's throw away from my pad in Irvine... :cool:
 
It always seems to be areas where the military are doing stuff that these unusual phenomena are most likely to be witnessed. There is still a curious lack of an incontrovertible event witnessed by millions, clearly caught on camera or recorded in some way that is convincing... which is telling.


Good points. We have an inherent justified distrust of government and military because they have been caught red-handed in coverups/false flags time and again. If something like the Belgian Triangle wave of '89-'90, Phoenix Lights event of '97 or the Washington DC events of '52 were to occur again and be recorded on state of the art digital cameras, then we might have our millions of convinced witnesses. But I'm not so sure that would be a good thing. Above all, we need our people to report to work in the morning and not get drunk during the day. Even so, it's reassuring that the reporting/discussion stigma seems to be dissolving at least in the US Navy and US major media.


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https://silvarecord.com/2019/07/06/aatip-is-no-longer-run-by-a-single-office-elizondo/
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I didn’t think we would hear in Unidentified season one was the topic of aliens or other intelligences. Chris Mellon talked about the reasoning behind this in one of the episodes:

“The alien angle on this is the biggest impediment to progress, and i want to steer as far clear of that as possible in any discussions.”

However, in the season finale, they didn’t exactly shy away from it. I will leave you with this quote from George Knapp in the closing moments of the show:

“The day will come when this occurs to you: that its real, that there’s some other intelligence here, that it’s far more advanced than us, that it could do whatever it wants to us and we’d be powerless against it.”

 
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A UFO reported in Belgium (Bevingen).

Is it two-dimensional? It turns, the lights disappear and then nothing anymore. :D



The sudden disappearance of the 1990 Belgium triangle, like the 2014 Nimitz tic-tacs and the 2015-16 Atlantic cubes can be explained by "blue shifting", an alteration of local space-time by exploitation of metamaterials like layered Bismuth and Magnesium.
 
Interesting to watch.



Although I respectfully disagree with him, notable physicist Michio Kaku says that after confirmation by the US Navy and Congress, the burden of proof has shifted to now prove that UFOs are NOT extraterrestrial nature.

 
Horse hooey.
Agreed. The ET hypothesis is only one of many. But it was Michio Kaku who said it, not me. Please revise your misquote.


“We now know they fly between Mach 5 and Mach 20 — five to 20 times the speed of sound,” Kaku said. “We know they zigzag so fast that any pilot would be crushed by centrifugal force. That they have no exhaust that we can see.” The explanations usually invoked for UFO sightings — meteors, weather balloons, even the planet Venus — can’t explain these live-action high-precision shots, said Kaku, leading to either of two possible conclusions: They are of human origin, representing a technology so cutting-edge that even leading scientists are puzzled by it. Or, he said, “maybe they are evidence of an advanced outer space civilization.”

Could they be Russian, not Martian? Perhaps, Kaku allowed, given that last year Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that “Russia had built a hypersonic flying vehicle that can zigzag.” The U.S. and China are also working on hypersonic drones. On the other hand, Kaku emphasized, “maybe they are extraterrestrial.” After all, he noted, the universe is 13.8 billion years old, while earthly science was born merely 300 years ago; on any of 4,000 recently discovered exoplanets, where life as we know it might be able to exist, alien civilizations may well have had much longer to advance their scientific and technological skills.

Even if not smoking-gun proof, the declassified videos — bolstered by confirmation of multiple sightings of unexplained aerial vehicles during 2014 and 2015, including at least one near-collision — are giving ufology new weight. “We’ve reached a turning point,” Kaku said. “It used to be that believers had to prove that these objects were from an intelligent race in outer space. Now the burden of proof is on the government to prove they’re not from intelligent beings in outer space.”

The possibility that they are vehicles from other planetary civilizations, Kaku told Yahoo, “now has to be put on the table.”
 
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Mainstream physicist and science popularizer Michio Kaku raises the stakes on the alien hypothesis:

“We now know they fly between Mach 5 and Mach 20 — five to 20 times the speed of sound,” Kaku said. “We know they zigzag so fast that any pilot would be crushed by centrifugal force. That they have no exhaust that we can see.” The explanations usually invoked for UFO sightings — meteors, weather balloons, even the planet Venus — can’t explain these live-action high-precision shots, said Kaku, leading to either of two possible conclusions: They are of human origin, representing a technology so cutting-edge that even leading scientists are puzzled by it. Or, he said, “maybe they are evidence of an advanced outer space civilization.”

A 'turning point' on UFOs: Physicist Michio Kaku tells ufology conference the truth is out there

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Popular Mechanics, long understood to have informal connections to DoD and CIA, publishes article, "5 Scientific Reasons for Believing in Aliens"
5 Scientific Reasons for Believing in Aliens


We can't be the only ones in the vast expanse of the cosmos ... right?

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Are aliens real? We don't know for sure, but we want to believe.

Outer space is a vast expanse that we have so much more to learn about, which is why it's hard to flat-out deny the possibility that other intelligent lifeforms exist. New species are continually being discovered in the ocean, and some animals thought to be long gone have emerged from the thick cover of jungles and the deep sea to be rediscovered.

If life can exist—and persist—in seclusion and in some of the harshest conditions on Earth (just look at tardigrades), it's likely that other interplanetary lifeforms have evolved and acclimated to conditions in space, too.

The renowned science writer Arthur C. Clarke once said, "Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." Several discoveries and theories from some of the greatest minds in science point to the likelihood that there is something beyond us in the universe, so there's a pretty decent chance we have neighbors somewhere in the ether. Consider the evidence.

1) SETI Institute
The Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI) Institute was founded by Carl Sagan and Jill Tarter, two astronomers who believe there's more to interplanetary life than us.

SETI's mission is "to explore, understand, and explain the origin and nature of life in the universe and the evolution of intelligence." The Institute works with NASA and the National Science Foundation (NSF) as a research contractor to pool resources and explore the possibility of intelligent life on other planets.

Yep, an entire scientific organization that seeks to find other intelligent life in the universe actually exists.

2) UFOs Piqued the Pentagon's Interest
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In 2007, the Department of Defense (DoD) created a program called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) to study "space-related phenomena that could not be easily explained, usually involving the appearance of high-speed, unidentified aircraft," per New York magazine's Intelligencer.

The covert program was headed by military intelligence official Luis Elizondo, who sought to investigate reports of UFO encounters. A decade later, Elizondo quit working at the Pentagon and confirmed AATIP's existence to the New York Times.


3) Navy Jet Encounters UFO
This recently declassified footage of a Navy jet encountering a UFO was captured in 2004 and released in 2018. In the video, pilots can be heard excitedly asking, "What is that thing?" as the rapidly moving object is on screen for a few moments.

Commander David Fravor and Lieutenant Commander Jim Slaight were on a training mission over the Pacific off the coast of San Diego when they witnessed a UFO that was "40 feet long and oval in shape."

Fravor told the New York Times the object was "jumping around erratically, staying over [a] wave disturbance but not moving in any specific direction." When Fravor tried to get a closer look at the UFO, it sped away at a speed the likes of which he had never seen.

The craft was never identified and Fravor insisted he didn't see any kind of wings or rotors, making it that much more impressive that it was able to outrun his F-18 Hornet jet.

4) Oumuamua: Alien Craft or Asteroid?
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Avi Loeb, an impressively credentialed scientist who taught at Harvard and chaired the university's Astronomy Department, has put forth an interesting, but seemingly far-fetched, hypothesis: the asteroid Oumuamua is actually space debris from an alien structure or a defunct alien space craft.

Coming from anyone else, this might seem zany. Again, Loeb knows a thing or two about the machinations of space. However, while truthers are soaking the Oumuamua theory up, Loeb's colleagues are highly disappointed and upset that he's posited what they're calling an "insult [to] honest scientific inquiry."

5) A Plethora of Exoplanets
NASA recently confirmed that the number of exoplanets is in the thousands and that we can expect that figure to only grow as we improve technology that's able to go into the nether regions of space.

This means there are thousands of known planets that haven't been explored at length and several more awaiting discovery that could be comprised of environments with the ability to sustain life.

Who's to say one (or multiple) exoplanets aren't already home to intelligent extra-terrestrial beings?
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My comment:
Kaku and PM both make the question seem binary - aliens, or secretive human projects.
But there are more possibilities than just these, ranging from simple mistaken identity to hoax.
 
NASA has probably found signs of bacterial alien life on Mars, but is being careful about mentioning it because of the (diminishing) possibility it could be a presently unknown geochemical action.

 
The Fermi paradox is the apparent contradiction between the lack of evidence for extraterrestrial civilizations and various high estimates for their probability. Today's video sheds light on the paradox by finding evidence that our Sun may be much more unique than previously thought.



My take: There are no aliens or intelligent advanced civilizations elsewhere in our galaxy.
 
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Close encounters of the 3rd kind are discussed, including the famous 1994 Ariel school encounter in Zimbabwe involving over 60 children.

 
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