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PhatFat
I thought it was GLH for "Goes Like Hell"
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It was.

But there was the GLHS on top of the GLH. Goes Like Hell - Shelby. :trouble:

There was the regular Omni GLH, which debuted in '84 with an HO 2.2L I4 with 110hp. Comparable to a Volkswagen GTI of the time.

In '85 the GLH got a turbocharged version of the engine as an option, with 146hp. It wasn't intercooled though.

In '86 Shelby Automobiles got involved. The Shelby GLHS was a GLH with a whole whack of new Shelby parts and complete suspension revision. And more importantly an intercooler for the turbocharger, which made power jump to 175hp. The GLH was "quick", but the GLHS was an absolute monster. 0-60 in 6.5s. Quarter mile in the mid- to high-14s.

May not seem all that impressive today, but a GLHS could proverbially *****slap a similar vintage top-of-the-line Camaro and Mustang, and not all that far behind a Corvette. And the GLHS was built to handle to boot.
 
it also looked pretty cool with the red trim and the bbs wheels. kind of similar to another hot hatch...
 
The GLH and GLHS never had BBS wheels. The GLH had Chrysler "swiss cheese" wheels, and GLHS had Shelby Centurions.
 
Firebird
The GLH and GLHS never had BBS wheels. The GLH had Chrysler "swiss cheese" wheels, and GLHS had Shelby Centurions.
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my bad. the one I wanted to buy had black on silver BBS wheels. Aftermarket I suppose if what you say is true.

anyway they looked nice!
 
OH, what I say is definitely true. They had to be aftermarket. No ifs, ands or buts, they absolutely had to be aftermarket.
 
Firebird
OH, what I say is definitely true. They had to be aftermarket. No ifs, ands or buts, they absolutely had to be aftermarket.
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yeah chrysler's with coming with BBS' wheels from the factory seems a bit odd when you think about it.
 
After watching a TV show with the latest corvette in i was laughing so hard, SPRING LEAF SUSPENSION HAHAHAHAHAH. Nice to see it still utilising technology invented by the Romans. Also saw one of those crossfire things earlier, ugly as hell!!!!!!
 
You laugh at the corvette, but bring me something for the same price with the same performance....
 
Umm ever heard of TVR? (might not be cheaper over there due to exchange rate but no need to get anal about things like that) I just find it amusing that a 'brand new' car still uses technology so old, also from what i saew of the TV program it looke dlike it was built by monkeys out of old crap that was recycled from a junkyard. Most of the body panels could be pushed in with 1 finger, it may be fast (in certain directions) but its still built like a pice or crap out of bits of crap.
 
After watching a TV show with the latest corvette in i was laughing so hard, SPRING LEAF SUSPENSION HAHAHAHAHAH.
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Yea, i'll bet you'll be laughing when one smokes your panties. Just remember, the more complex you make a car or part, the easier it is to break.
James-
 
If everybody bulding and designing cars had that attitude where would we be today. Also i hight doubt id get smoked by one as people have more sence (and taste) than to buy one of them.
 
Hey, DelBoy, don't bash the C6, it's actually good round corners despite it's ancient suspension. It did however get it's ass whooped by the TVR T350C, so while the C6 may be the first good Corvette for European roads, it's nowhere near the best buy when theres TVR's, Noble's, Marcos's and the like around.
 
so what if its old technology as long as its an improvement over the C5
and show me a british car that went down $5000 after that big of an upgrade
 
whatever gets results, right?

anyway the new Z06 should be quite a contender.
 
DelBoy
After watching a TV show with the latest corvette in i was laughing so hard, SPRING LEAF SUSPENSION HAHAHAHAHAH.
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It also has one of those garbage "gasoline" engines. Those are so old.
 
DelBoy
After watching a TV show with the latest corvette in i was laughing so hard, SPRING LEAF SUSPENSION HAHAHAHAHAH. Nice to see it still utilising technology invented by the Romans. Also saw one of those crossfire things earlier, ugly as hell!!!!!!
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A few posts of mine, copied from another topic:

A note on the suspension:
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It isn't quite your ordinary leaf spring suspension.

The spring is mounted transversely (you can't really see it, but you can see it's not longitudinal), with double wishbones and electromagnetic shocks at each wheel. No other car in the world uses such a set-up.

Of course, Jeremy Clarkson wouldn't understand any of this since he's a stodgy old fart who has no comprehension whatsoever of mechanical engineering.

It's too bad it sells for £40,000 in Britain. In the United States it sells for the equivalent of about £27,000.
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The Corvette's suspension setup actually has quite a few advantages over similar double wishbone systems with coil springs. It's biggest advantage is that the weight of the suspension itself is kept to a minimum (I forgot to mention the leaf springs are made of a fibreglass composite, not metal like a conventional one), therefore weight is shifted away from the extremities of the car, which helps weight distribution in cornering. Also, since the leaf spring is mounted nearer the centre of the car applied force from the wheel will be distributed further from the wheel itself, also helping cornering.

The best analogy I have for it is a DeDion suspension, but instead it's the spring being pushed towards the centre instead of the brake discs.
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The shocks contain an electromagnetic fluid which itself contains particles of iron. They can still function as regular hydraulic shocks when the car is not operating or if there is an electronic failure.

It does run off of the alternator with the rest of the electronics. Each wheel has displacement sensors which measure how far the wheel has moved from the body. Depending on the speed and direction of the displacement the dedicated onboard computer will alter the dynamics of the fluid by introducing current to coils contained within the shocks, creating an electromagnetic field which, depending on how much current is fed through the coils, will stiffen or soften the shock.

All of this is made possible by a separate computer which interprets the data from the sensors and adjusts the shocks accordingly in a thousandth (0.001) of a second.

Therefore each shock's dampening properties are being adjusted 1,000 times per second.
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Technology invented by the Romans, eh?

:dunce:

Honestly, are all Britons as pompous and ignorant as Jeremy Clarkson and you?
 
hooooohooohoo! I'm going to get some popcorn. This is getting good.
 
Thank you firebird, thet vette is a very good car. Especially here in the states where it is mondo(I don't know what mondo means either) cheap. I believe the upcoming mustang has a laughable rear suspension (can't remember what it was though). Supposedly it was better than an independent (again I don't know how).
 
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I believe the upcoming mustang has a laughable rear suspension (can't remember what it was though). Supposedly it was better than an independent (again I don't know how).
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First of all there is no real way of determining what single suspension type is better than another. Suspensions, no matter what layout they use, are just designed to be a certain way. Each layout has its advantages and disadvantages. The Corvette's suspension as a whole is not any worse than another sports car's because it has leaf springs, for example.

The '05 Mustang has a solid axle rear suspension. Most people consider it "low-tech", but there has been as much if not more development work put into it than any other suspension.

The Mustang's differential has an arm attached to the body on the "front" side of the differential (the same side as the driveshaft meets the u-joint). Combined with two more suspension arms mounted to a torsion bar this keeps the differential assembly "straight", that is to say the assembly won't rotate forward under a torque load as it might on an older suspension with lateral leaf springs. It also makes the entire assembly more reliable, as the angle between the driveshaft and the u-joint yoke is kept relatively constant, reducing wear.

It also has a Panhard rod attached at one end to the axle and the other to the body, acting as a stabilizer bar, keeping the axle from shifting left to right.

It's finished off with shocks and coil springs on each side.

Hopefully if you've understood my explaination you'll come to realize it is no less "technologically advanced" as any other suspension.

In fact Ford polled former and current Mustang owners as to their preference of suspension. Almost all of them wanted a solid rear axle. Not surprisingly Mustang owners are more likely to drag race their cars than probably any other owner group in the world, therefore a solid axle is beneficial. The contact patch on each tire is kept constant in a drag race because there are no camber changes, meaning the car will not only have more force being transferred to the road surface itself but will also track straight (the fact that the camber is not changing means that each wheel is constantly putting down the same amount of force; camber changes tend to "steer" the car in other directions as the force transferred through the tires varies from side to side, moment to moment).
 
Good one there firebird.
I love to see someone talking about cars and knows what he is talking about.
The newer Cobra's will have the independent rear. But they still a year off. And Saleen and Roush say they both keeping the solid rear axle for their customized versions. And it should be noted that that solid rear axle is also choice for numerous street racers as it's very easy to work with. Has very few maoving parts.
Same concept as a Rotary engine, only 3 or 4 moving parts on the whole engine. Vs. normal engine has over 40 depending on the engine.
And independant rear would have made the car more expensive. And Corvettes mondo cheap? Where? Sorry compare last years SVT Cobra and last years vette.
Cobra MSRP $32,400
Vette MSRP $45,000-48,000 (Chevy listed that not me!)
And the Stang stands up to the Vette in most performance tests.
And even beats it on the 1/4 mile.
Sounds like Chevy is getting some big $$$ for a car that barely outperforms a car that costs substantialy less.

I'm not ashamed to bet $50 that the next Gen Cobra will give the new Z06 a darn good run for it's $$$. Especialy since SVT said that they wouldn't be afraid to up the price into Vette territory, and the new Stangs cost alot less to build for Ford. So if they go into vette territory I willing to bet it will be built to match it in performance. And lets not start guessing about the Shelby's they been talking about.....sh....oops no body was supposed to know about that!
 
so is anyone else disappointed that there aren't really any new muscle cars on the list?

there are more corvettes, but nothing new from dodge or plymoth. i think mopar has some really good muscle and that should be shown. at least the one's from GT2.

and has anyone seen screenshots or the challenger r/t or the super bee or have they just been mentioned?
 
67 Cougar on IGN car list ----- no pictures yet.
Buick GNX --- no pictures yet.
 
yeah. you're right. i do like those two, but i'm still looking for some more from dodge and plymoth. they had really cool ones in GT2. if they weren't in GT2 i wouldn't except as much, but knowing that they were in before makes me want them in more
 
It's not just the british that considers US cars to be poor handlers and of below par build quality, it's all throughout europe, though imo this is starting to get outdated as we have seen Corvettes and Saleens performing well in the GT class racing and also times released around tracks. They're only problem is build quality, the US might be used to it but over in europe if a car bends or something creaks or comes apart easy it will more than likely flop. I guess cause we pay so damn much for everything we expect it to be quality built and worth the money we pay for it.
 
American Cars I want to see

Old school Turbos like the Dodge Shadow ES and the Chrysler Lebarons

More muscle cars like the Plymouth Roadrunner and hopefully the Dodge Superbee.
 
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It's not just the british that considers US cars to be poor handlers and of below par build quality, it's all throughout europe, though imo this is starting to get outdated as we have seen Corvettes and Saleens performing well in the GT class racing and also times released around tracks. They're only problem is build quality, the US might be used to it but over in europe if a car bends or something creaks or comes apart easy it will more than likely flop. I guess cause we pay so damn much for everything we expect it to be quality built and worth the money we pay for it.
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That is a big problem with a lot of american cars. But you will see that many make quality products that even stack up to the euros in the build quality department.

Daimler Chrysler cars are very tight (hmmm...I wonder if that has anything to do with the First part of the company's name)

GM products are generally disastrous when it comes to build quality. But the corvette is an exception. This car is built to last.
 
I really would like to se the Chevy Bel-Air 1955,Ford Torino 1971,Pontiac Trans-Am 1977 in GT4.Plus a real fullsize like Buick Le Sabre or Cadillac Eldorado,would be sweet!!
 
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