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I've seen that Focus at supercars.net. It was tuned by Ford racing to demonstrate how vesatile that crate engine is.
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I'm pretty sure it started off as an aftermarket thing (I don't have any proof though). One of my friends owns a Zx3 and talked about wanting it done. Then Ford racing debuted there own at sema a year or two ago. Either way it would be amazing, but expensive.
 
Hey can't bat on GM too hard, they smartening up now that Ford has shown that over 10,000 new Mustangs have already been reserved.
For 2007 you can expect a new Camaro.
No Firebird tho.
And in a few years they rebuilding the GTO on a new platform.
Problem is, by then the new Mustang Cobras will be out and the new Roushes and Saleens, and Steedas, and all will most likely cost less than a vette and be dead even or beat it in performance.
And in a few years you can expect an all new Dodge charger
with the following engines:
6 cylinder 4.0L
8 cylinder
8 cylinder HEMI (SRT-8)
Don't quote me but that's what I have been hearing from my info leaks.
And my links have been right about lots of stuff, so...
And who gives a rats balls on the third Tuesday of November about the interior of a GTO??? I said it before I will say it again.....
INTERIORS IN A MUSCLE CAR ARE ABOUT AS IMPORTANT AS TEETS ON A BULL!
Muscle is all about power and speed. Not having a computer tell you how to get you ass to the store, or having a great sound system.
Sorry couldn't resist that one.
But them Ford guys downunder can make some kick ass cars.... them aussie folks get the awesome Falcon XR6 with a nice turbo v6 for their family car, while in america we get the sad ass Taurus with a 6 cylinder....
 
My favorite memory with Vector: how many cars can go 100 mph... in SECOND GEAR?

Here's my count of Mustangs in GT2:
Ford: Mustang GT 1998, SVT Cobra 1998, Mustang GT 1999, SVT Cobra 1999, Saleen SR Widebody 1999
Shelby: GT 350 (one of my personal favorite cars) 1966, GT500 1968

So in all, that's seven. I'd hate to imagine more Tauruses than Mustangs. And I'm saying that, of course, from an American car lover point of view. If anything is eye-catching for a Mustang, let it be the Saleen Mustangs. I'm sure as aggressive as they look, they can bring home the bacon for sure. But I'm going to predict that Mustang lovers will have nothing to fear about GT4 except for your enjoyment of tuning one up to take on any kind of competition. Looking in the pictures, I'd love to get my hands on a Saleen S7. And as a bit of "FYI," I have NEVER raced a Saleen S7 in a game (as of 9/5/2004). So it would be interesting to race the car I call "America's McLaren" because of its looks and some styling cues. If more Saleen will be in the house, then why worry about not enough Mustangs? As I say, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT! (^_^) You're covered, my friends.

But if anything, Trans-Am needs some great consideration. When I thought they had the same specs as Nextel Cup cars, I learned last year or so that Trans-Am cars of today are actually 2600-2700 lbs with 600-700+ hp engines (can't say American without heavy horses). I say if you want one, you may want to find one used. But if so, that would have to account for many types of Trans-Am race cars. Examples, you ask? How about... Camaro, Mustang, Viper, Grand Prix (or Grand Am?), Cutlass (I believe), and that sort of thing? Also if Oldsmobile makes it into GT4, I'll only be happy if the Alero Race Car and an Olds-powered Indy Race Car make it in. Otherwise, count me out. You feel me, players?
 
US Muscle Cars couldn't turn until now.

The new Ford GT is "now" an American muscle/super car ( Their 2nd genuine Supercar next to the Shelby in it's day) that can actually go round corners. But funnily enough not one of the best turning vehicles in GT4P.

I drove a Mustang over there a few years ago and nearly killed myslef coming of a Motorway ( Freeway for others) onto a slip road as it was like trying to steer a boat.

There should be more Aussie muscle cars ( Including the classic Broch Specials) as they can take bends. I would also like to see the Mount Bathurst track added to GT4 (Toca had it). One of the best tracks in the world.

Also my ultimate muscle car would be the Overfinch Range Rover. Big, Yes, but who cares, and it would still handle better than most US muscle cars. Another UK classic (closest to a UK muscle car) was the Lotus Carlton. Would like to see this as well.
 
The Ford GT is not a muscle car, neith is the Saleen S7, a muscle car is a regular car with a big, powerful engine, the Corvette isn't a muscle car and neither is the Viper. I'm no expert on muscle cars since like you I'm from the UK and care more about sportscars, but from what I've been told by muscle car fans none of thoes are muscle cars.
 
The Lotus Carlton now that car was mental, 170mph+ in a 4 door saloon, how sweet is that, I saw a race between one of them and an m5 at crail raceway and the carlton demolished the m5 by almost 2 secs. I seriously hope they throw an Escort Cosworth in there or even an RS2000 as those wee things could handle like hell and had a fair amount of power also.

Re the Ford GT I heard it's handling and parts was mostly done by a european mob, dunno if thats true but I do know it uses some parts from the Aston Martin bin.
 
I'm not 100% sure on the Ford GT, but the GT40 was designed and built in England but it was funde by Ford in The US and it used an American engine, how much of that process has been passed onto the GT I don't know, but it wouldn't suprise me if it's chassis and design was all done in the UK.
 
live4speed
I'm not 100% sure on the Ford GT, but the GT40 was designed and built in England but it was funde by Ford in The US and it used an American engine, how much of that process has been passed onto the GT I don't know, but it wouldn't suprise me if it's chassis and design was all done in the UK.
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Right the GT-40s body was designed in Europe, but the engine was made in America. As far as the Ford GT, I'm not sure.
 
JohnBM01
My favorite memory with Vector: how many cars can go 100 mph... in SECOND GEAR?

Here's my count of Mustangs in GT2:
Ford: Mustang GT 1998, SVT Cobra 1998, Mustang GT 1999, SVT Cobra 1999, Saleen SR Widebody 1999
Shelby: GT 350 (one of my personal favorite cars) 1966, GT500 1968

So in all, that's seven. I'd hate to imagine more Tauruses than Mustangs. And I'm saying that, of course, from an American car lover point of view. If anything is eye-catching for a Mustang, let it be the Saleen Mustangs. I'm sure as aggressive as they look, they can bring home the bacon for sure. But I'm going to predict that Mustang lovers will have nothing to fear about GT4 except for your enjoyment of tuning one up to take on any kind of competition. Looking in the pictures, I'd love to get my hands on a Saleen S7. And as a bit of "FYI," I have NEVER raced a Saleen S7 in a game (as of 9/5/2004). So it would be interesting to race the car I call "America's McLaren" because of its looks and some styling cues. If more Saleen will be in the house, then why worry about not enough Mustangs? As I say, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT! (^_^) You're covered, my friends.

But if anything, Trans-Am needs some great consideration. When I thought they had the same specs as Nextel Cup cars, I learned last year or so that Trans-Am cars of today are actually 2600-2700 lbs with 600-700+ hp engines (can't say American without heavy horses). I say if you want one, you may want to find one used. But if so, that would have to account for many types of Trans-Am race cars. Examples, you ask? How about... Camaro, Mustang, Viper, Grand Prix (or Grand Am?), Cutlass (I believe), and that sort of thing? Also if Oldsmobile makes it into GT4, I'll only be happy if the Alero Race Car and an Olds-powered Indy Race Car make it in. Otherwise, count me out. You feel me, players?
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I hope you're right man and I would be happy with GT2's muscle car list. I think it's coo.
 
People have different views and pre this description they were called Super Cars.

A defintion is in the link below.

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-definition.shtml

The Ford Gt has been reffered to as a muscle car as it is simply American. That is why I bracketed it as a supercar. It is apparantly as good as some of the best supercars now, if not better and a half the price. Being as generic as possible as people have different understandings as indicated by some of the cars listed by enthuesists from the US and other peoples input into this thread from around the world.

As far as design goes it was desinged and built by Ford therefore it is a US car but saying that I read that Lola was involved in the design. Engine is a severly uprated Mustang 1.
 
Ah, its time to start my rant......

What is a muscle car? Well, in order to answer that, lets take a little trip back to 1964 and the inception of the Pontiac GTO. The car: a 2 door version of the sedan. Then, there was this light bulb that went off, which said lets put a stronger engine the the 2 door version. Anyone danced and the muscle car was born.

See, back in the day, each car had several versions of itself. Lets take for instance the Chevy Chevelle. There was a 4 door sedan, a 4 door station wagon, and 2 versions of the 2 door version. This is the basis of making a msucle car! You grab the cleanest 2 door version and stick the most powerful engine in it.

This is why the idea of "modern muscle cars" is lame. Cars arent built the same way they were back in the 60's and ealy 70's. What made real muscle cars so cool was the fact that almost every car had a family car version. We dont see that today do we?

It all comes down to the car companies trying to spend less and make more. SO, they arent goin to go back to the way they built cars back then. Now, its "lets make a single platform car and make it a muscle car!!!1111"

The history of the muscle car is something that the big three are trying to cash in on. Which i find really damn rediculous. Instead of trying to revamp a classic, they should try and start a classic. But, we are it times of non-originality, so, we get to deal with the crap they throw at us. Wow, great times.....
James-
 
I think people don't care whether the car they are driving has a family varient. The thing most people liked about muscle cars was that they were cheap. OK, your right, they were cheap because they were built on weak family cars, but that doesn't mean that if a company builds a cheap but powerful car it is bad because there is no family version. What else do you expect from such huge corporations, they want money; if we happen to get some excellent cars in the process who can complain. And if they really aren't that great than noone who really loves cars would buy them. We ARE in times of unoriginality, but at least they are trying to recreate the good cars. I just don't want to see ford making a retro future Pinto. Rant Rant Rant.
 
The Vector M12 could do 100 mph in second gear, so that's what I meant about Vector. In terms of classic American cars, I almost forgot. Would you American car fans want a Dussenburg (correct spelling?) or a Studebaker? I can imagine where this topic is going. It will likely be a debate on what's a muscle car and what's a super car. But when I created this topic, this is for American cars only. Cars from the Geo Metro (hate, hate, HATE to see this in GT4) all the way up to the Chrysler ME412 (if it makes it).

I've always respected the Camaro. It's the car that got me into cars. The Mustang is a reborn classic with the latest model. I'll gladly take the new GTO. And I have second thoughts about that GTO with the different bodystyle. More on that in a later post.
 
The new GTO is based on a 4 door sedan called the Holden Commodore which is made in Australia by General Motors Holden. The 2 door version is the Monaro in Australia. The car is also a wagon, a 2 door ute and a 4 door ute. The wagons and 4 door utes also come with 4WD versions. Holdens displayed AWD Monaro (America's new GTO) at a recent motor show which may go into production.
So I guess the new Monaro fits the 70's definition of a muscle car very well.
The new 3.6 DOHC GM motor has just been introduced to the car this month. Comes in two versions with 175 KW and 190 KW versions. The V8 is the 5.7 Gen III unit that puts out 250 KW. V8 only fitted to Monaro in Aus now.
 
I did not know that Uncle Harry. Thanks for the enlightenment. If what you say is true (and i trust that), then it does fit the definition. Rather odd its only in Australia though. Oh well.
James-
 
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Right the GT-40s body was designed in Europe, but the engine was made in America. As far as the Ford GT, I'm not sure.
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Yeah the body was indeed designed in Europe, by Ford of Europe.
As for the new GT it's all american baby. Ford's SVT team is behind that one. They are also behind the v-10 Cobra, the GT-R Stang, and the Shelby GR-1. All of which will have some production possibilities....
 
Holdens displayed AWD Monaro (America's new GTO) at a recent motor show which may go into production.
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They are in production now Harry at Holdens plant in South Australia instead of HSV in Victoria. They have a 270 kw GEN III V8, weighs 1800kg and is selling for AU$90,000.
http://www.hsv.com.au/
 

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Yeah the body was indeed designed in Europe, by Ford of Europe.
As for the new GT it's all american baby. Ford's SVT team is behind that one. They are also behind the v-10 Cobra, the GT-R Stang, and the Shelby GR-1. All of which will have some production possibilities....
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See American cars CAN turn. 👍
 
I think the Ford GT kind of has a bit too lines in its design, but nonetheless, a classic is reborn in today's modern world. And to further prove that American cars can turn and look good doing it (using another Ford example), the Saleen S7. Of course, I call it "America's McLaren" because of its looks. But even if you don't like Ford or any subdivision of Ford, you have to admit the S7 is sexy. What may scare you about it is that it's priced more than a Pagani Zonda at around $325,000+ USD. I'd love to save up my money in GT4 to purchase that S7. But if I want classic American muscle, I'd give the Boss 302 Mustang a little love.

It's nice that this discussion is going very well. I used a lot of Ford in that paragraph, so I'm going to give you Chevy and Pontiac folk some love. I'd love modifying a 1959 Corvette, or perhaps the eye-catching C5 and [modern] ZO6. The "modern" is bracketed because I cannot recall if there has been a ZO6 before, because I heard of a ZO6 in the past. Don't like Mustangs? That's why there's Chevy's Camaro. Love Chevy and want to humiliate the Mustang? The Corvette should be your Driver (or at least your 9-Iron). You dig me, player? Pontiac now. Not even close. Get an F-Body Trans-Am and take on your opposition. When I first got into cars, I usually confused the Trans-Am and Camaro. And I'm talking about the Trans-Am and Camaro of the mid-late 1990s on out. With all due respect to the Camaro, I thought the Trans-Am looked meaner and perhaps a race car for the road.

Give American cars some love in this thread. Join the discussion. What'cha got for us?
 
I usually confused the Trans-Am and Camaro. And I'm talking about the Trans-Am and Camaro of the mid-late 1990s on out. With all due respect to the Camaro, I thought the Trans-Am looked meaner and perhaps a race car for the road.
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That was because they used the same platform for them. The only real difference in the two cars was the body. And some it was shared too.

I always thought the T/A looked too girly. Way too many lines. Thats also why i enjoyed the Camaro. Same car but w/out all the body lines.

I remember reading an article a while back that said there was goin to be a big-block Camaro for its final yr. Man, would that have been sweet. $5 says that car would have sold alot.
James-
 
JohnBM01
I think the Ford GT kind of has a bit too lines in its design, but nonetheless, a classic is reborn in today's modern world. And to further prove that American cars can turn and look good doing it (using another Ford example), the Saleen S7. Of course, I call it "America's McLaren" because of its looks. But even if you don't like Ford or any subdivision of Ford, you have to admit the S7 is sexy. What may scare you about it is that it's priced more than a Pagani Zonda at around $325,000+ USD. I'd love to save up my money in GT4 to purchase that S7. But if I want classic American muscle, I'd give the Boss 302 Mustang a little love.

It's nice that this discussion is going very well. I used a lot of Ford in that paragraph, so I'm going to give you Chevy and Pontiac folk some love. I'd love modifying a 1959 Corvette, or perhaps the eye-catching C5 and [modern] ZO6. The "modern" is bracketed because I cannot recall if there has been a ZO6 before, because I heard of a ZO6 in the past. Don't like Mustangs? That's why there's Chevy's Camaro. Love Chevy and want to humiliate the Mustang? The Corvette should be your Driver (or at least your 9-Iron). You dig me, player? Pontiac now. Not even close. Get an F-Body Trans-Am and take on your opposition. When I first got into cars, I usually confused the Trans-Am and Camaro. And I'm talking about the Trans-Am and Camaro of the mid-late 1990s on out. With all due respect to the Camaro, I thought the Trans-Am looked meaner and perhaps a race car for the road.

Give American cars some love in this thread. Join the discussion. What'cha got for us?
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I always liked the Trans Ams more than the Camaros.
 
As I've said, I love the Camaro of the last 10 years. Without it, I wouldn't have gotten into cars. The Camaro is a cool machine. And in the past, I thought it was a supercar. But I've learned to think of it as a sexy beast with raw American horsepower. The Camaro does come with a road racing setup, and I remember the Camaro not only in Trans-Am, but also in GT racing. It was no Corvette, but I really like this car and give my full respects to it. I think the Trans-Am is a great car as well. There are Trans Ams running the Rolex Sport Car series in one of the lower classes. So while the GTO may be replacing these F-body beauties, I'd surely like to see the new GTO in GT4. After all, for the first time, Pontiac will be in a Gran Turismo game. From the Official PlayStation Magazine, I had a DVD on that game, and that old CD shown only tracks from Tsukuba, New York, and the Grand Canyon. But cycling through the new cars, I seen old-school rides like the Old GTO, perhaps a Barracuda, and things like that. The newer Pontiac I seen was the Pontiac Vibe, or as I called it (a hatchback that can't decide on being an SUV or a hatchback). So it will be quite interesting to see what November will bring for American cars. Who knows? We may see a race series with the Winged Warriors of the 1970s from NASCAR. And I'll tell you one thing. If more of the long, heavy, powerful American cars of the past make it into GT4, that Las Vegas drag strip is going to be pretty busy (unless Tokyo's Wangan B is available, of course!).

So to end this post with something kind of funny, in Tokyo Xtreme Racer Zero, one of the Wanderers will only challenge you if you have a luxury car. When I was reading on Wanderer requirements, the writer said that luxury cars are acceptable, but... he said the Dodge Viper counted as a luxury car because of its weight and power. Imagine that! Dodge Viper = luxury car? John B. M. doesn't think so!
 
Well for the Saleen Mustangs they use Mustang body and engine etc.
The S7 actualy uses a Ford engine similar to the one Ford uses in Nascar. And it obviously isn't a stang body.
 
1994 Ford Mustang Boss 10.0L Concept*
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2000 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Concept*
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buick grand national
03' svt cobra
1992 Camaro Z28
2004 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Commemorative Edition
2005 Chevrolet Corvette (C6)
1996 Chevrolet Impala SS
2003 Chevrolet SS Concept*
2000 Chrysler 300 Hemi C Concept*
2004 Chrysler 300C
1999 Chrysler 300M
2005 Chrysler Crossfire SRT-6
2002 Dodge Razor Concept*
1998 Dodge Stratus Touring Car*
dodge charger
Dodge daytona turbo Z
2004 Dodge Sling Shot Concept*
2003 dodge viper srt-10
2000 Dodge Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT*
2002 Ford Focus SVT
1989 Ford Mustang GT
2005 Ford Mustang GT
2004 Ford Mustang GT-R Concept*
2003 Mercury Marauder
2001 Plymouth Prowler
plymouth roadrunner
plymouth fury
2001 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am WS6
GMMG Black Bird WS6*
2004 Pontiac gto
Pontiac solstice
Shelby Mustang GT 350/500
1981 DeLorean DMC-12*

(* = prize car)
 

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