Another 2 years?!?!

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IceMan PJN
No, they've actually been working on GT5 for quite a while. An early version of the game was shown at E3 2005, although that early version had little in common with the final game except probably a bunch of the old models that now appear as "Standard" and probably a bunch of GT5's many tracks that are of last-gen quality. Either way, some sort of work on the project goes back at least that far.

Besides that, considering that they really only produced a little over 200 new cars for the game and some new tracks (many of them are not new to GT5 and apparently not even updated for the game), three years would still have been more than enough time. As I've already argued, rivals Turn 10 produced more than that in less time (just two years). Remember, none of the cars or tracks in FM3 are lifted straight from FM2, but rather any overlapping content has been completely overhauled for FM3, so all of FM3's content is actually new FM3 content and not just cheaply recycled. Every single car model has ten times the polygons of FM2 car models, for example.

Alright, I quit.
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That was my point. PD showed early work that could have been GT5. Gran Turismo HD was supposed to be a 2007 release, but it was scrapped. The development time on what actually became GT5 was more like three years at most.
 
Villain
That article is also a year old so it would actually only be one year - AKA - Fall 2011.
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So technically they could be releasing some kind of 'big almighty bug-fixing game add-on'ing' DLC/patch this August/September. Hmms.
 
"The most recent article on the home page here at gtplanet shows an interview where Kaz said he wanted another 2 years to develop GT5. Are you kidding me? The game as it is right now after what, 5-6 years is a disgrace."

In my humble opinion, PD spending additional time on GT5 would not have resulted in a significantly better game since PD seems to use a "throw it over the wall" approach with little or no customer input prior to release, e.g., a focus group testing a release candidate. Any delay would have kicked the can that much farther down the road before feedback was received from the player base.
 
PAWEL17
What everyone wants in this game, and more, is in reality not possible(maybe in the future)
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Really? Because everything I mentioned in my OP has already been implemented in other games, as far back as 2004-2005. Therefore, it is possible.
 
Devedander
ftfy



Perfect examples of either sour grapes or just ignorance... either you know why and you are making excuses why you don't want them or you honestly have no idea why these things are important despite the fact both issues you bring up are completely common and huge parts of the car world...

Why would people make custom liveries... no one would do that... oh wait, in the real world there are millions of custom liveries yeah no one would do that... I mean it's not like custom liveries have proved themselves to be a huge and valuable part of a racing video game on a console recently... nah...

Why would you want to engine swap? Weird.. people pay thousands to swap engines between cars... sure there couldn't be any possible reason.

While we are at this, why would people wear clothes? What could be the point in that? And why would people have heaters in their house? No one would do that...
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You are right I'm not a huge car/racing kind of person and I don't know that much about it. I try to figure out how it works right now and it's already complicated enough...

But in the end I'm just happy about everything that PD add to the game! For me there are more and less important things to do... that's personal preference!

vasho
What really makes me frustrated is when people try to force their opinions on what is needed and what is not needed in an agressive way as was shown here.
I want a custom livery on the car - period. Why? Because i want to -period. If it will be implemented that I do not know. But for sure i do not want to hear other people complaining about my wish for implementing this feature and telling me to play FORZA.
I guess they are affraid that some of their wishes will not be implemented if other things are implemented. :scared: - the hater thinks: damm if their wish will be implemented my wish will not be, lets complain about this that this is not needed -
Grow up people - there are thousends of players who are playing Gran Turismo 5 and all have different wishes. And guess what - wait for it - not everything will be implemented. :scared:
Just have to wait and see.
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Sorry, I don't want to force anyone, I just give my opinion on it. By the way I don't need custom livery - period. Because I would not use it - period. And I just asked why he dislikes FORZA or better the XBOX that much?

Ohh and sorry for my spelling mistake...
 
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LVracerGT
Really? Because everything I mentioned in my OP has already been implemented in other games, as far back as 2004-2005. Therefore, it is possible.
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There are threads here, wishlists is a better term, that people have written down there opinions what GT5 should implement, i'm talking about all that, and how it would impossible to implement all that, in the time spam. Another 2 years would of been fine, if they had the time to make a more complete game, as i was in no rush to play it.
 
Can't you see it people; Kazunori is a perfectionist!

He won't stop improving it until there's nothing more we can complain of, IF you guys could be more patient instead "hitting" him hard in the face, saying "Where's our game after these 5 years?!" I would wait for it but it's already released.

Anyway, if there's someone to blame, we better check our self first.
 
2 more years?! I laugh at the thought!!
People were being so impatient wanting GT5 out and it was more obvious when the 'first official delay' occurred and the ruckus it caused. We still got what we got and many aren't happy with the end result. Makes you wonder where the 60+ million and 6 year development went...

Maybe next time PD shouldn't be working on prologues, game demo projects, tech demos, automotive field projects like promotional videos nor spoiler kit/HUD/prototype designs, etc and focus purely on their core business that got them to where they are today...
making video games.

I welcome DLC though and would rather have it come to GT5 (free or paid) than wait for certain features for GT6.
 
To those of you that have issues with playing the game in it's current state, and have no problem waiting 2 more years for a more finished product. Put your wheels, and controllers down, take GT5 out of your PS3, and start playing something else. 2 years from now put your GT5 disc back in your PS3 download the patch update, and the game will be closer to what you expect it to be. It's this simple many of you complained about all of the delays "I can't believe it's been pushed back again" "I want to have GT5 NOW!" So they get the game to a point where they know they can implement patches to correct all of the things they are not happy with, and still give us a solid product that we can play and have fun with, and now you're saying "I could have waited for a more finished product" "I can't believe this game isn't perfect". You can't please everyone! As far as I'm concerned GT5 with all of its flaws is still the best racing game out there. If you're not happy with it, go play Forza or whatever other game has all of the features you are looking for. GT5 is not the only racing game out there, you have options. GT5 is the game I choose to play. I have Forza 3, and I have not touched it since I started playing GT5, because in my opinion GT5 is way better. I really don't need a livery creator, or an online auction house. They are nice features, but I'm not going to play a racing game only to paint, and buy cars. I want to drive and race them, and have a good time doing it. GT5 provides that for me. So in closing if you're not happy you don't have to play this game go play something else, but I'm tired of all the whining. It seems to me it doesn't matter what PD seems to do a bunch of you will always find something to whine about!
 
MitchZ06
Read his reply to your post, you'll understand he isnt 14 like you wish he was and he's obviously got more experience in 'the biz' than you must for not being able to understand his statements or what he's trying to get across.

We must look like ants from that high horse of yours?
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I understand him perfectly clearly. I've worked on big IT media projects myself (albeit not gaming ones). It was however irrelevant to my post. I therefore illuminated his flaw accordingly.

And yes, as I look down from my penthouse balcony, those below do indeed resemble pachycondyla verenae.

Rico_S
Can't you see it people; Kazunori is a perfectionist!

He won't stop improving it until there's nothing more we can complain of, IF you guys could be more patient instead "hitting" him hard in the face, saying "Where's our game after these 5 years?!" I would wait for it but it's already released.

Anyway, if there's someone to blame, we better check our self first.
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BarronGeddon
I understand him perfectly clearly. I've worked on big IT media projects myself (albeit not gaming ones). It was however irrelevant to my post. I therefore illuminated his flaw accordingly.

And yes, as I look down from my penthouse balcony, those below do indeed resemble pachycondyla verenae.
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You sir are a dick, nice use of big words to express your intellectual superiority, I salute you! :dunce:

Calling him 14 sure makes you look like a man, now where is that motivational I saw earlier....ah yes found it.
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Enjoy.
 
There is no way we would have forgiven PD for delaying the game yet again for another year.
Everybody on this site was about ready to go on a murder suicide rampage the last time the game got delayed.

Btw I can't enter the chatroom, it says my username or password is invalid
 
Rico_S
Can't you see it people; Kazunori is a perfectionist!

He won't stop improving it until there's nothing more we can complain of, IF you guys could be more patient instead "hitting" him hard in the face, saying "Where's our game after these 5 years?!" I would wait for it but it's already released.

Anyway, if there's someone to blame, we better check our self first.
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Doesn't much matter if he's a perfectionist or not. He lives and works in the real world.

These threads and articles just show me that Kaz needs someone above him to manage things and tell him what can and can't be done.

If you're working on a pet project, by all means take decades to "finish" it. If you're releasing a product to the public for consumption it needs to be finished, and in a timely manner.

No one else seems to have trouble with this and there are comparable products on the market.
 
Basilea
You are right I'm not a huge car/racing kind of person and I don't know that much about it. I try to figure out how it works right now and it's already complicated enough...
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Here's something that always works for me, if I don't know much about a subject, I won't ridicule someone who says something about that subject as I won't know he or she knows something about it or not, since I don't know anything about it and therefor can't know if he or she says anything which makes sense.
The internet makes it possible to react instantly to what other people write, however the nice thing about internet is also that (since there's no face to face interaction which excludes awkward silences or other social inconveniences) you can pause and think about what's written before reacting, or do some Googling on the subject before reacting.

Anyway, about this topic, couldn't help but wondering after reading this on the news page....

•The FIA GT and DTM racing series were both planned for GT5, but eventually had to be taken out.
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....whether instead of running out of time modelling these cars maybe there were problems with obtaining the licenses for whatever reason and they had already modelled a large selection of these cars (since it says, had to be taken out) which could've prompted the first (Japanese) delay perhaps.
Or maybe that's just the way it's written down on the news page (can't seem to find the full interview).
Just speculating ofcourse but I'm at least glad we now have a game to play, 2 more years would be ridiculous and I think Kaz knows that too, in fact I think he mentions this as a theoretical scenario to fully get GT5 to the level he can within current hardware limitations, if not he's bonkers.
 
Almost all video games need more time and there is always lots of things they want to do but due to some reason couldn't. So yeah same with GT5 they wanted more time for more things and polish the game. Now they just need to polish GT5 and add more content and seasonal events and build on the game they already have in a form og GT6P or GT6 in few years time
 
MitchZ06
You sir are a dick, nice use of big words to express your intellectual superiority, I salute you! :dunce:

Calling him 14 sure makes you look like a man, now where is that motivational I saw earlier....ah yes found it. Enjoy.
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This was completely uncalled for. If you have nothing productive to say, go somewhere else. Some people in here are trying to have serious discussions and it's trolls like you that get threads locked.
 
freedomweasel
Doesn't much matter if he's a perfectionist or not. He lives and works in the real world.

These threads and articles just show me that Kaz needs someone above him to manage things and tell him what can and can't be done.

If you're working on a pet project, by all means take decades to "finish" it. If you're releasing a product to the public for consumption it needs to be finished, and in a timely manner.

No one else seems to have trouble with this and there are comparable products on the market.
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You talk of the real world. GT5 is the 2nd highest selling PS3 game of all time. To take a personal passion to that level is an amazing achievement for Kaz.

But wait, freedomweasel who is famous for achieving erm nothing knows better. And I'm the one accused of having superiority complex!? Has the whole world turned upside-down?

MitchZ06
You sir are a dick, nice use of big words to express your intellectual superiority, I salute you! :dunce:

Calling him 14 sure makes you look like a man, now where is that motivational I saw earlier....ah yes found it.
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Touché

Careful with those spam pictures though. Kids with matches and all that.
 
EliteDreamer
Maybe they made GT5 Prologue becuase of the impatient people.
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I managed to enjoy Prologue for a entire year. Good times in the community. :)

I could wait another two years if GT5 turned out to be half as enjoyable as Prologue was.
 
analog
Here's something that always works for me, if I don't know much about a subject, I won't ridicule someone who says something about that subject as I won't know he or she knows something about it or not, since I don't know anything about it and therefor can't know if he or she says anything which makes sense.
The internet makes it possible to react instantly to what other people write, however the nice thing about internet is also that (since there's no face to face interaction which excludes awkward silences or other social inconveniences) you can pause and think about what's written before reacting, or do some Googling on the subject before reacting.
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Still you have to comment on that... and I didn't say anything against someone or someones opinion! I just said what I and that's just my point of view thinks and I would have said the same if this would be a real life conversation whatsoever...

So let's just hope that everyone get satisfied and we get all updates for tracks and tuning and liveries and and and... as I said I take what ever comes in the future!
 
I have a question...
Do any of you care about the 'museum' or the cards that we get?
Do any of you care about the 'horns' in the game?
How about the 'Demo' option of the cars?
I'd even assume we could all agree to get rid of the 'paint chip' system that GT5 uses.

I'm not a programmer, but I assume the 4 above options combined, took a lot of time, effort and space, all of which add absolutely nothing to the game 'for me'.

How many of you would sacrifice 3 'multi-models' for 1 premium, or another RM?
I understand that some models have stand out editions, that justify more than 1 in the game. But did we really need so many Skylines, Miata's, FTO's, Ford GT's, and so on?

I'm actually satisfied with GT5. It took too long, it has issues, but it's still the best racing game I've played.
 
Basilea
Well there would be many thing that could have been added, but at some point it just gets a bit too complicated. As you said some things aren't perfect yet, so better fix that first...

The motor swap thing is just something I don't need at all, why would I want to drive a BMW with an Audi engine or a Ferrari with a Skyline engine? I don't see any benefit in it...

Why would people drive around with stupid things on there car? Just because they could do it and think its funny, there are too many boys and not yet that grown up men out there...
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In Forza you can only swap engines from the same manufacturer. That means Enzo engine in 250 GTO, GTR spec-v engine in a Datsun 510. In my book that's pretty cool and even more fun too drive:tup:.
 
I would wait for 1 more year for DTM and FIA GT, all those things that I don't like in the game, including the A-spec and B-spec event system, would been much better, because I think that they were made pretty fast in about 1 week...
 
Adrenaline
I have a question...
Do any of you care about the 'museum' or the cards that we get?
Do any of you care about the 'horns' in the game?
How about the 'Demo' option of the cars?
I'd even assume we could all agree to get rid of the 'paint chip' system that GT5 uses.

I'm not a programmer, but I assume the 4 above options combined, took a lot of time, effort and space, all of which add absolutely nothing to the game 'for me'.

How many of you would sacrifice 3 'multi-models' for 1 premium, or another RM?
I understand that some models have stand out editions, that justify more than 1 in the game. But did we really need so many Skylines, Miata's, FTO's, Ford GT's, and so on?

I'm actually satisfied with GT5. It took too long, it has issues, but it's still the best racing game I've played.
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