anyone else completely underwhelmed with GT6?...

[TA462]

Why cheat at a game? I could never understand that. If you want to earn some cash then race.

 

[mister dog]

I did! He's OK, but if you saw someone in a lobby like that you wouldn't think they were very good at all. He says he finds it "alot harder than REAL driving", he states it's "totally different", he says there is no feedback through the pedals, the feedback in the steering is "totally different", but "it's fun though!" - and that's why I play racing games like GT, it's really fun, and I'm sure you play GT for the same reason.

Chasing 'realism' is futile on a game, just have fun and forget the real-world counterpart. I think it's far safer to treat them as totally different entities. My opinion on the lack of FF oversteering? It's dumb. It should have been there a long time ago and it's ridiculous it still isn't there. If it was implemented then driving FF cars would be a lot more fun instead of the understeer fest it currently is.

Well that you can't compare it to real racing off course because like the lion says; there is almost no physical feedback, but you can try to get close tough in simulating everything else (suspension movement, how tires react...).
About me playing racing games like GT for the fun factor; well i probably won't buy GT6 as i have fun racing and that's where it has fallen short since GT5 (apart from the hotlapping), I did enjoy all the older ones for sure; but as technology improves i would like to see the realism factor go up too; physics wise it makes things more difficult but the feeling of accomplishment when you pull it off also get's a lot greater. And if you add great graphics combined with great sounds this makes for an experience that would almost make you believe it's the real thing (especially on a smokey, drunk night ).

 

[MC-Chase]

Well that you can't compare it to real racing off course because like the lion says; there is almost no physical feedback, but you can try to get close tough in simulating everything else (suspension movement, how tires react...).
About me playing racing games like GT for the fun factor; well i probably won't buy GT6 as i have fun racing and that's where it has fallen short since GT5 (apart from the hotlapping), I did enjoy all the older ones for sure; but as technology improves i would like to see the realism factor go up too; physics wise it makes things more difficult but the feeling of accomplishment when you pull it off also get's a lot greater. And if you add great graphics combined with great sounds this makes for an experience that would almost make you believe it's the real thing (especially on a smokey, drunk night ).

Sure, I'm with you. And I'm not here to make arguments, despite my satirical notions at times. And I'm all for advancing the games capabilities, I just think it's unhealthy to take the attitude game driving techniques are interchangeable with reality. We're on the same page for the most part anyway

 

[DonJo76]

Yeah, I know how you feel man. I was racing in karts with Hamilton when I was younger, i was the poo, only a few tenths off his pace on my first race. When the season was out Ron Dennis had to do a coin-toss between both of us and I lost, so now I spend my time playing Gran Turismo and complaining about it's lack of 'realism'.

lol! im almost choking in my french fries hahahaha

 

[mister dog]

lol! im almost choking in my french fries hahahaha

You must mean Belgian fries

 

[DonJo76]

You must mean Belgian fries

lol, i prefer the thin french ones, ive got a mac donalds on walking distance!

 

[chris_nl]

I'm a little disappointed with some things. Engine sounds were somehow better in gt2 than 5 and 6, tire sounds are horrendous at times. And crash physics are still bad... But a lot has been improved, the menu system, realistic physics, standards looking better, sense of speed had been improved, lighting and shading, and maybe a few others I'm forgetting.

I agree with you on the sound. I took the Volvo C30 with Sports Hard tires for a spin in the city race. It kept screaming, no normal sound ever! Also, engine sound is suppressed sometimes by braking sounds or other things.
The improvements are really the menu, the dealer overview and loading speed.

1200 cars is to much, why should I have 20+ Nissan Silva's or GTRs? I just don't see the point in that.

 

[dragonitti]

Like to hear your input then on the lack of lift off oversteer with FF cars, and the absence of torque steer people already mentioned?

I think it would be beneficial sure. For the sake of accuracy. But FF cars are notorious for plowing forward (understeering) and that seems to be dialed in like it should. It may be something they will work in with an update. But I don't drive FF cars the way that I would need to utilize lift off oversteer. Not in real life and not in the game. I have a huge APR GT200 wing on the back of my FF in real life just so I can eliminate that about my FF's handling. Before that I just drove slower and brake in straight line only. Slow in, Fast out.

 

[atlop]

But I don't drive FF cars the way that I would need to utilize lift off oversteer. Not in real life and not in the game.

Well all you need is winter, snow and, say, a roundabout and you get to experience this in real life in any FF family car. It really is how these cars behave but there are big differences how they do it. With some the oversteer is easy to manage so that you can actually utilize it, others want to just spin out, with some the effect doesn't seem to be that strong.

 

[dragonitti]

Well all you need is winter, snow and, say, a roundabout and you get to experience this in real life in any FF family car. It really is how these cars behave but there are big differences how they do it. With some the oversteer is easy to manage so that you can actually utilize it, others want to just spin out, with some the effect doesn't seem to be that strong.

Did you try an FF in the game while in snow? How does that work out? Not all FFs have lift off oversteer either as well. It really seem to have come to light with the Focus ST.

 

[cjr3559]

I've been driving FF cars (in real life) basically since I started driving, and can't think of a single time any of the plethora of them I've ever driven wanted to oversteer. Lift off or otherwise. Just massive understeer and front tire wear. Side note -- UNLESS, the front tires were newer than the rear and the fronts were higher inflated. Then MAYBE, the car would tend to turn easier. I wouldn't call it much though.

 

[dragonitti]

I've been driving FF cars (in real life) basically since I started driving, and can't think of a single time any of the plethora of them I've ever driven wanted to oversteer. Lift off or otherwise. Just massive understeer and front tire wear. Side note -- UNLESS, the front tires were newer than the rear and the fronts were higher inflated. Then MAYBE, the car would tend to turn easier. I wouldn't call it much though.

Exactly, and that's why I'm not all bent up on having lift-off oversteer on all the FF's. Especially as I mentioned, not all FF's do that.

Guess most of these kiddo's been watching to many Focus ST commercials, that or putting McDonald trays on the rear of their hand-me-down FF's and sliding around to much...lol

 

[mister dog]

I've been driving FF cars (in real life) basically since I started driving, and can't think of a single time any of the plethora of them I've ever driven wanted to oversteer. Lift off or otherwise. Just massive understeer and front tire wear. Side note -- UNLESS, the front tires were newer than the rear and the fronts were higher inflated. Then MAYBE, the car would tend to turn easier. I wouldn't call it much though.

Exactly, and that's why I'm not all bent up on having lift-off oversteer on all the FF's. Especially as I mentioned, not all FF's do that.

Guess most of these kiddo's been watching to many Focus ST commercials, that or putting McDonald trays on the rear of their hand-me-down FF's and sliding around to much...lol

I beg to differ good sir!

 

[justin credible]

Your right there fellow. After going out tonight and I admit having a few beers I came home and stuck gt6 on I have just been attempting National A Matterhorn Race using the V16T 15 Anniversary 94 model car I found out why I kept finishing tenth or dead last as it's known with a 3 lap combined time of 7.54.635 It is because I am the worst gt player in history I think. Ha Ha Ha oh well never mind. I did get bronze on all the National B licence tests so there is hope for me yet.
Serious question Why do the cars just slide of the track like the tyres are flat what am I doing wrong?

 

[dragonitti]

I beg to differ good sir!

You can beg to differ, but the caveat is that he isn't racing against anyone, and doing it for fun. No FF racer does this in an actual race. 1) Because it would destroy the tires, and 2) You would end up punted off the track by another driver.

No one claimed that you can't make an FF oversteer into a corner. The point being made that if you are trying to turn laps then you are fighting understeer in an FF rather than oversteer.

 

[cjr3559]

You can beg to differ, but the caveat is that he isn't racing against anyone, and doing it for fun. No FF racer does this in an actual race. 1) Because it would destroy the tires, and 2) You would end up punted off the track by another driver.

No one claimed that you can't make an FF oversteer into a corner. The point being made that if you are trying to turn laps then you are fighting understeer in an FF rather than oversteer.

Agree. I will say the one time I was able to intentionally create oversteer in a FF car (my '85 Sentra) was in the snow by pulling the emergency brake back when I was in high school. Fun, but not something you do in a race. The other method of inducing oversteer in the video seems like fun to learn, but alas I've got only one car and not enough money to shred my tires perfecting the technique.

 

[KonaC0ffee]

Greetings,
So far seems fair. But I am not a good driver, so will seem easy to most.
Kona

 

[Imari]

You can beg to differ, but the caveat is that he isn't racing against anyone, and doing it for fun. No FF racer does this in an actual race. 1) Because it would destroy the tires, and 2) You would end up punted off the track by another driver.

No one claimed that you can't make an FF oversteer into a corner. The point being made that if you are trying to turn laps then you are fighting understeer in an FF rather than oversteer.

A good car understeers or oversteers when the driver wants it to. Not being able to do one of the two severely limits your options when driving in a race. There will be times in any race when it will be advantageous to have the back of the car step out, in a controlled manner.

 

[S30Z_Guy]

Me too, I had my FFB on 8, I had to turn it down.

To the OP; If anything the tires physics and suspension are surprisingly realistic, trust me on that. I can trail brake all day long with beautiful rotation in GT6, even in a FF car. Get a wheel if you don't already have one, it makes a world of difference.

I was surprised how great trail braking with no abs felt.

 

[Rionmoon]

so many things this game missed the mark on. the FF cars in this game handle nothing like the do in real life. no lift off oversteer AT ALL.the way the grip breaks away is COMPLETELY unrealistic. one minute you have tons of grip, then next millisecond without any warning, you're sideways. you can't lead progressive oversteer into a nice four wheel slide coming out of a corner, and it's ridiculously bad.the framerate tears are also driving me insane.all the cars tend to drive like one another, too…..Gran Turismo has had this problem for a while...the one nice thing I can really say is that the menus and presentation are really nice.

Try

A good car understeers or oversteers when the driver wants it to. Not being able to do one of the two severely limits your options when driving in a race. There will be times in any race when it will be advantageous to have the back of the car step out, in a controlled manner.

Did you try blowing into the controller?

Did you turn off the driving aids like traction control? Skid recovery force?

Something that's NOT FF? There is a reason real race cars are MR or FR after all.

Did you try putting down the Fosters and using both hands?

 

[Imari]

Did you try putting down the Fosters and using both hands?

Did you try not being an arse?

 

[mister dog]

You can beg to differ, but the caveat is that he isn't racing against anyone, and doing it for fun. No FF racer does this in an actual race. 1) Because it would destroy the tires, and 2) You would end up punted off the track by another driver.

No one claimed that you can't make an FF oversteer into a corner. The point being made that if you are trying to turn laps then you are fighting understeer in an FF rather than oversteer.

It's not really about purposely doing it like Chrissy here; it's more that if you lift off the gas pedal suddenly whilst cornering in a FF, the car should start breaking away and GT doesn't simulate that. Same with torque steer (although there's only rolling starts ).

I own a volvo (Front wheel drive), and had it happened to me already on normal roads (mind you it's one of the older ones before the TC, ABS era).

 

[dragonitti]

A good car understeers or oversteers when the driver wants it to. Not being able to do one of the two severely limits your options when driving in a race. There will be times in any race when it will be advantageous to have the back of the car step out, in a controlled manner.

A good car? That would be a sports car sir. The topic is about Front Engine Front wheel drives. And no, FF's are Inherently understeering perfectionist. And to be honest, manufactures dial in Understeer into a LOT of sports cars also. This keeps grandma jane who want's the nice shiny new ride...from ending up on the side of a cliff. And sorry, there is NEVER a time in a race where it would be advantageous to have the back of the car step out. If we are talking Time Attack or qualifying, then it's possible but not likely. If we are talking lap after lap and in traffic, sorry that is not true. If you watch any wheel-2-wheel racing anywhere you would be hard press to point out where in any track you can see the drivers stepping out the rear of the cars on purpose so they can be faster around a corner.

In retrospect, a driver in the real world my prefer to have the car Looser in the rear to make it easy to change directions. But hardly does a racing driver purposely steps out the rear of the car during a race.

 

[TakeshiSkunk]

hardly does a racing driver purposely steps out the rear of the car during a race.

It sounds like you have a pretty limited exposure to various types of racing. What you're saying is certainly true of purpose built race machines, but I've seen plenty of cars getting loose around corners to take a more aggressive line. Not talking a big showy drift obviously, but just hitting your exit trajectory a little sooner can give you a lot of speed in the straight.

As far as oversteer in FFs, that's really up to the chassis. I drive an SVT Focus and that thing is always ready to oversteer if you lift at all during a corner. Lots of other FFs will just kind of keep understeering on liftoff unless you work a little harder to upset their balance.

 

[dragonitti]

It's not really about purposely doing it like Chrissy here; it's more that if you lift off the gas pedal suddenly whilst cornering in a FF, the car should start breaking away and GT doesn't simulate that. Same with torque steer (although there's only rolling starts ).

I own a volvo (Front wheel drive), and had it happened to me already on normal roads (mind you it's one of the older ones before the TC, ABS era).

At my local track (before closing), we used the front straight of the Nascar oval and then it transitions back into the infield where you hit the turns and what not. On the straight, I would reach 145ish mph before coming into Turn 1. Turn 1 is a long sweeper and then Turn 2 is a complete 180 back the opposite direction. But coming off the bank, if you want to be fast, then you stay full throttle....hit the transition...and set the car up to clip the grass and give a smooth turn in while braking hard. I bleed off the brake to get the car to rotate. This is lifting off as you would refer to it. It's more of getting it to rotate than to necessarily call it oversteer.

Have you tried any standstill launches, since you mentioned there is only rolling starts.

 

[dragonitti]

It sounds like you have a pretty limited exposure to various types of racing. What you're saying is certainly true of purpose built race machines, but I've seen plenty of cars getting loose around corners to take a more aggressive line. Not talking a big showy drift obviously, but just hitting your exit trajectory a little sooner can give you a lot of speed in the straight.

Limited exposure? Ok...lol

And where these "seen plenty of cars" the fastest guys there? Don't answer that, I already know what you are going to say.

 

[JEMcG]

Yes. Pretty disappointed. Just hoping they bring some major updates.

 

[jimbertrand514]

I am very unhappy about the cars. I was expecting the game content to be similar to GT5 so I am not too disapointed about that even if I have to say I have the feeling that they made something new with something old.

To me the real problem is cars. Why put 1200 cars including 4 or 5 pages of Mazda MX-5 and the same of Skylines and so on. I would rather have 400 cars total but all premiums and current cars.

I mean come on, I like the addition of the FXX and old models for example but in 3 years that's all you came up with PD ?? seriously ??? How about the Ferrari FF (the 1st 4WD Ferrari) or the F12 Berlinetta or the 458 Challenge or the new LaFerrari. There was plenty or room for improvement.

Same goes for McLaren. I mean I like the F1 but when you see other games showcasing the P1 you have to wonder if someone at PD is sleeping on the job... No MP4-12C GT3 either???

No Lamboghini Veneno or Sesto Elemento or Gallardo GT3 ??? No Peugeot 208 T16 Pikes peak (this one seems fun).

No Alfa Romeo 4C ?? No Lotus Exige ?? No Jaguar F-Type (V6 and V8) ?? No Bentley Continental ?? No Aston Martin DBS ??

I really hope PD starts eliminating the old GT1/GT2 cars and make room for newer models. Or brings us updates with more current cars.

And please PD write a huge check to Porsche so they kiss EA goodbye and come to GT Franchise.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I really hope PD starts eliminating the old GT1/GT2 cars and make room for newer models. Or brings us updates with more current cars.

I wish we had GT1/GT2's cars. They had a really great selection and a lot that never returned to the series sadly.

 

[Chrix12]

Not a bit. If GT6 wasn't released, I would be playing GT5 at the moment. But because there is GT6, I play it. And I love every millisecond of it.