anyone else completely underwhelmed with GT6?...

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A good car? That would be a sports car sir. The topic is about Front Engine Front wheel drives. And no, FF's are Inherently understeering perfectionist. And to be honest, manufactures dial in Understeer into a LOT of sports cars also. This keeps grandma jane who want's the nice shiny new ride...from ending up on the side of a cliff. And sorry, there is NEVER a time in a race where it would be advantageous to have the back of the car step out. If we are talking Time Attack or qualifying, then it's possible but not likely. If we are talking lap after lap and in traffic, sorry that is not true. If you watch any wheel-2-wheel racing anywhere you would be hard press to point out where in any track you can see the drivers stepping out the rear of the cars on purpose so they can be faster around a corner.

In retrospect, a driver in the real world my prefer to have the car Looser in the rear to make it easy to change directions. But hardly does a racing driver purposely steps out the rear of the car during a race.

You can have front wheel drive sports cars. Hot hatches are pretty much the definition. Yes, road cars tend to have understeer dialed into them but it doesn't mean that you can't make them oversteer.

And sorry, there is NEVER a time in a race where it would be advantageous to have the back of the car step out. If we are talking Time Attack or qualifying, then it's possible but not likely. If we are talking lap after lap and in traffic, sorry that is not true. If you watch any wheel-2-wheel racing anywhere you would be hard press to point out where in any track you can see the drivers stepping out the rear of the cars on purpose so they can be faster around a corner.

There are plenty of times in a race when you want the back to rotate in a controlled way. Note that, in a controlled way. You'll note that I never said you should oversteer to be faster, I simply said that there are times when you'll want oversteer.

If you're in traffic and you need to change your line mid-corner but you're already at the limit of grip, you're going to have to slide one end of the car. If you've had to go deep into a corner and want to get the car turned quickly it can be advantageous to flick the back end around. And so on. Car positioning, rather than car speed is what I'm talking about. Controlling the angle and attitude of your vehicle is important.

None of these things are strictly faster on the clock, but you're racing other people, not the clock. You do what you need to in order to get around and in front of your opponents even if they would be sub-optimal in a time trial. The fastest way around the track isn't always the fastest if someone else is holding that line, so you may need to be creative.

Want an entertaining example of someone using oversteer to good effect?

http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-season-14-episode-5_part-1_2309761.htm

Watch segment 4 from about 3:45. Jenson Button intentionally uses oversteer to spook the other driver into not passing him back.
 
Alrite, let's stop with the 'realism' word here; I hate the complete lack of FF oversteer too (it's in a thread I made) but the type of people who talk 'realism' on a game are the type of people with an IRacing subscription, once did a track day and/or autocross, beat a few of their mates from the office at the works Christmas do at the go-karting track last year, and who now think they're Jacques Villeneuve.

Nice. :lol:
 
Haha.. so many pompous gamers that love to come into GT threads and try to score bar room joke points...smh. It's pretty funny that the game has actually made you come here to talk about it. Personally, I really am enjoying it and know that it will only get better from here on out. What I don't understand is if you guys hate it so much, then why are you so compelled to come here and talk and bitch and moan about it lol? Why not go play something better and be done with it. Spend your time constructively? 👍



Oh yeah.. almost forgot.. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-gt6-epic-whining-and-crying-thread.282208/
 
Haha.. so many pompous gamers that love to come into GT threads and try to score bar room joke points...smh. It's pretty funny that the game has actually made you come here to talk about it. Personally, I really am enjoying it and know that it will only get better from here on out. What I don't understand is if you guys hate it so much, then why are you so compelled to come here and talk and bitch and moan about it lol? Why not go play something better and be done with it. Spend your time constructively? 👍



Oh yeah.. almost forgot.. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-gt6-epic-whining-and-crying-thread.282208/

I think it is because many of us have been playing GT since GT1, have many fond memories of how enjoyable it was and are now so disillusioned by the last two installments. Nobody wants to see a franchise they love go down the pan & when that starts to happen people like to air their opinions in the hope that it will get better.

I didn't join this forum because of GT5 or GT6, I joined it because of GT.
 
Haha.. so many pompous gamers that love to come into GT threads and try to score bar room joke points...smh. It's pretty funny that the game has actually made you come here to talk about it. Personally, I really am enjoying it and know that it will only get better from here on out. What I don't understand is if you guys hate it so much, then why are you so compelled to come here and talk and bitch and moan about it lol? Why not go play something better and be done with it. Spend your time constructively? 👍

I wouldn't speak for others, but I know people here whose company I enjoy. There are sections of the website dedicated to other games and non-gaming things which I enjoy. And I liked GT in the past, and I hope that one day I will again. You know, once they bring the things that made it fun up to modern day standards.

Besides, if giving constructive criticism to a game series that you've enjoyed isn't constructive, what is? Driving in circles? Telling people off for having opinions?

And since you asked, I'm replaying GTL at the moment. It's not pretty, there's hardly any cars or tracks and the features are severely limited, but bloody hell does the AI give you a challenge.
 
I think it is because many of us have been playing GT since GT1, have many fond memories of how enjoyable it was and are now so disillusioned by the last two installments. Nobody wants to see a franchise they love go down the pan & when that starts to happen people like to air their opinions in the hope that it will get better.

I didn't join this forum because of GT5 or GT6, I joined it because of GT.

Oh give it a rest already. I've been playing since GT1 as well and am pretty damn good if I may say so myself and there is no way in hell I would go back and play GT 1, 2, or 3 over 5 or 6. Hell I couldn't even play online or see you if I did. Going down the pan, seriously? We must be living on two different planets. Oh well carry on.. and fuss away like hens. I'm looking forward to finishing the game and spending ungodly amounts of time online just like I did with GT5. It's called progression....
 
Oh give it a rest already. I've been playing since GT1 as well and am pretty damn good if I may say so myself and there is no way in hell I would go back and play GT 1, 2, or 3 over 5 or 6. Hell I couldn't even play online or see you if I did. Going down the pan, seriously? We must be living on two different planets. Oh well carry on.. and fuss away like hens. I'm looking forward to finishing the game and spending ungodly amounts of time online just like I did with GT5. It's called progression....

It sounds to me like you've let GT5 & GT6's ego stroking, everyone's a winner AI give you the impression you're a great racer. Winning every time does that for you.

I prefer games that offer a challenge myself.
 
Haha.. so many pompous gamers that love to come into GT threads and try to score bar room joke points...smh. It's pretty funny that the game has actually made you come here to talk about it. Personally, I really am enjoying it and know that it will only get better from here on out. What I don't understand is if you guys hate it so much, then why are you so compelled to come here and talk and bitch and moan about it lol? Why not go play something better and be done with it. Spend your time constructively? 👍



Oh yeah.. almost forgot.. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-gt6-epic-whining-and-crying-thread.282208/
The only joke is gt6.
 
It sounds to me like you've let GT5 & GT6's ego stroking, everyone's a winner AI give you the impression you're a great racer. Winning every time does that for you.

I prefer games that offer a challenge myself.

What? Really? Get online and get challenged. How is racing against the computer ever really a challenge? Do you ever race against people online or just play the campaign and store the game on the shelf?
 
What? Really? Get online and get challenged. How is racing against the computer ever really a challenge? Do you ever race against people online or just play the campaign and store the game on the shelf?

You might want to practice your reading comprehension then, because most of the posts in these threads are not about online. I suggest you find a thread criticising GT6 online play & then convince them they are wrong.

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I don't play online no, I have no time to do so. I can't even get through a short offline race without having to pause to deal with the family or the pets.

On the few occasions when I do play online, it is very difficult to find a decent room. Cultivating a bunch of online friends with similar tastes etc... is extremely time consuming. Time I just don't have.
 
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You might want to practice your reading comprehension then, because most of the posts in these threads are not about online. I suggest you find a thread criticising GT6 online play & then convince them they are wrong.

Ah so you're resorting to good 'ol ad hominem attacks to try and chip away at me? Not cool. You stated that,

"It sounds to me like you've let GT5 & GT6's ego stroking, everyone's a winner AI give you the impression you're a great racer. Winning every time does that for you.

I prefer games that offer a challenge myself."


Not that anyone cares but I own a demanding business and am lead consultant on a side project that might as well be another full time job. I have pets, kids, bills, etc and I still find time to play and enjoy this hobby I love. I have played with many, many good and busy adults on GT5 and have made some really good connections and friends over the years. GT5 brought me tons of hours of enjoyment and partnerships that I would have never dreamed of making in a simple "video game". I even met fellow gamer-drivers right down the road from me, that now I can go have beers with and talk cars; racing. If you're the old school GT driver that you claim to be I don't see how you can look and drive GT6 (not on all the novice, entry level challenges) and say that it's not enjoyable. Really? What the heck are you playing instead? I played GT 1, 2, 3, and 4 and don't remember some overwhelming, indomitable AI that couldn't be beaten. The real joy in those titles came from playing my friends and neighbors in head to head battle obviously, because there was no such thing as GT online.

"I think it is because many of us have been playing GT since GT1, have many fond memories of how enjoyable it was and are now so disillusioned by the last two installments. Nobody wants to see a franchise they love go down the pan & when that starts to happen people like to air their opinions in the hope that it will get better."

...You even say that I was disillusioned by GT5? How? GT5 was great! Oh well I guess it's back to the PS1 and PS2 for you. At least you won't need to buy an expensive HDTV.
 
Ah so you're resorting to good 'ol ad hominem attacks to try and chip away at me? Not cool. You stated that,

"It sounds to me like you've let GT5 & GT6's ego stroking, everyone's a winner AI give you the impression you're a great racer. Winning every time does that for you.

I prefer games that offer a challenge myself."


Not that anyone cares but I own a demanding business and am lead consultant on a side project that might as well be another full time job. I have pets, kids, bills, etc and I still find time to play and enjoy this hobby I love. I have played with many, many good and busy adults on GT5 and have made some really good connections and friends over the years. GT5 brought me tons of hours of enjoyment and partnerships that I would have never dreamed of making in a simple "video game". I even met fellow gamer-drivers right down the road from me, that now I can go have beers with and talk cars; racing. If you're the old school GT driver that you claim to be I don't see how you can look and drive GT6 (not on all the novice, entry level challenges) and say that it's not enjoyable. Really? What the heck are you playing instead? I played GT 1, 2, 3, and 4 and don't remember some overwhelming, indomitable AI that couldn't be beaten. The real joy in those titles came from playing my friends and neighbors in head to head battle obviously, because there was no such thing as GT online.

"I think it is because many of us have been playing GT since GT1, have many fond memories of how enjoyable it was and are now so disillusioned by the last two installments. Nobody wants to see a franchise they love go down the pan & when that starts to happen people like to air their opinions in the hope that it will get better."

...You even say that I was disillusioned by GT5? How? GT5 was great! Oh well I guess it's back to the PS1 and PS2 for you. At least you won't need to buy an expensive HDTV.

I wasn't attacking you at all - just pointing out that leaping in to threads to defend the game against criticisms that aren't actually being levied against it isn't very constructive. The people who don't like the game or PDs current direction have a right to discuss their issues. You seem to be taking it rather personally and I fail to see how anyone else's opinion of the game affects your pleasure. There are many threads on this forum where you can post about how brilliant this game is and yet you insist on leaping into any thread criticising the game to tell people how wrong they are.

Now back to GT...

Yes the AI has always, always been bad. For GT1 & GT2 so was the only controller option, the digital d-pad. This limitation made the poor AI at least somewhat challenging. There was of course also the novelty of the games on the console. They were undoubtedly the best at what they did on the PS1. It is true that the best fun to be had was having your friends around & playing split screen for hours & hours on end. Still we used to endless discuss how much better that game could be in the future as the technology improved. We were all a bit disappointed with GT2 because...

They didn't improve AI
Car handling felt dumbed down
Interface was better - but much buggier
removed qualifying

GT3 on PS2 - looked great, car handling improved over GT2 & now with analogue sticks. Sadly AI not improved and the single player was becoming a bit boring, but worth doing so you had a garage you could copy so you & your friends could race the same cars. We wanted damage by now - no deal

GT4 looked great, AI still bad, despite PD promising it would be improved again. Still no damage despite virtually every other racing game on any platform having it.

GT5 - we waited so long, were promised so much - Totally new AI, Amazing Damage model, more realistic than ever! What we got was the dullest, least realistic racing game I have ever played on any platform - and that includes amgia 500's and 486s

GT6 - more of the same.

The trouble is a 15 year old AI, and a philosophy of not wanting to challenge the player don't work very well with the words racing or simulator.

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Sadly I gave away my PS2 & GT4 to a little boy up the street.

oh and good work on your little HDTV jibe, do you feel proud?
 
Ah so you're resorting to good 'ol ad hominem attacks to try and chip away at me? Not cool. You stated that,

"It sounds to me like you've let GT5 & GT6's ego stroking, everyone's a winner AI give you the impression you're a great racer. Winning every time does that for you.

I prefer games that offer a challenge myself."


Not that anyone cares but I own a demanding business and am lead consultant on a side project that might as well be another full time job. I have pets, kids, bills, etc and I still find time to play and enjoy this hobby I love. I have played with many, many good and busy adults on GT5 and have made some really good connections and friends over the years. GT5 brought me tons of hours of enjoyment and partnerships that I would have never dreamed of making in a simple "video game". I even met fellow gamer-drivers right down the road from me, that now I can go have beers with and talk cars; racing. If you're the old school GT driver that you claim to be I don't see how you can look and drive GT6 (not on all the novice, entry level challenges) and say that it's not enjoyable. Really? What the heck are you playing instead? I played GT 1, 2, 3, and 4 and don't remember some overwhelming, indomitable AI that couldn't be beaten. The real joy in those titles came from playing my friends and neighbors in head to head battle obviously, because there was no such thing as GT online.

"I think it is because many of us have been playing GT since GT1, have many fond memories of how enjoyable it was and are now so disillusioned by the last two installments. Nobody wants to see a franchise they love go down the pan & when that starts to happen people like to air their opinions in the hope that it will get better."

...You even say that I was disillusioned by GT5? How? GT5 was great! Oh well I guess it's back to the PS1 and PS2 for you. At least you won't need to buy an expensive HDTV.
Sounds to me you only knew GT games so far, Happy for you that you still enjoy them so much but we got fed up with the series as it's totally outdated and riddled with flaws nowadays. We would all like PD to finally get back on track but to be frank, they have made themselves ridiculous with their last 2 games because of their hilarious design decisions...
 
You can have front wheel drive sports cars. Hot hatches are pretty much the definition. Yes, road cars tend to have understeer dialed into them but it doesn't mean that you can't make them oversteer.

Sorry, I don't believe in FWD sports cars. I believe in FWD Sporty cars...but saying a FWD is a Sports car...not in my neck of the woods. And I race a FWD so I'm not a FWD hater, nor a person who calls it Wrong Wheel Drive.


There are plenty of times in a race when you want the back to rotate in a controlled way


Rotate and stepping out are two different things to me. He said step out. Getting the rear to rotate is not a tire shredding tactic like the video of Chris Harris doing with the oversteering of a FWD that was posted.
 
Sorry, I don't believe in FWD sports cars. I believe in FWD Sporty cars...but saying a FWD is a Sports car...not in my neck of the woods. And I race a FWD so I'm not a FWD hater, nor a person who calls it Wrong Wheel Drive.

Believe whatever you like. There are front wheel drive sports cars, probably the purest example of which is the Lotus Elan of the early 90's. If that's not a sports car, I don't know what is.

You're just redefining words to suit your purposes.
 
Believe whatever you like. There are front wheel drive sports cars, probably the purest example of which is the Lotus Elan of the early 90's. If that's not a sports car, I don't know what is.

You're just redefining words to suit your purposes.


As if I'm the only one that has ever said that...come on.
 
Going by the feedback from the GTP community, i'm glad I didn't purchase GT6 at launch. I miss playing /racing with my friends, but the amount of miscues made by PD seems worst then GT5s auspicious beginning. Think i'll be holding out till March. A shame really. This series needs a reboot imho.
 
so many things this game missed the mark on. the FF cars in this game handle nothing like the do in real life. no lift off oversteer AT ALL.the way the grip breaks away is COMPLETELY unrealistic. one minute you have tons of grip, then next millisecond without any warning, you're sideways. you can't lead progressive oversteer into a nice four wheel slide coming out of a corner, and it's ridiculously bad.the framerate tears are also driving me insane.all the cars tend to drive like one another, too…..Gran Turismo has had this problem for a while...the one nice thing I can really say is that the menus and presentation are really nice.
It is bad right now but i have a feeling the next 3 update in the next two months will fix alot of the bug
 
I think the people who are underwhelmed are the people who expected a lot. I am not underwhelmed, but not overwhelmed either, kind of in between.

I find if you expected great sounds, perfect frame rate, etc, you would be underwhelmed, because the game was not what you thought it would be.
 
After much hard work I finally got the fxx. Changed the oil put on slicks and decided to take it to bathurst to do some laps. I then decided I want to look at my gt350 in gallery view. I changed back to the fxx to hear the start up.... something was not "right"... I proceeded to bathurst. When I heard the "v12" my face distorted and my body cringed.. I will never be the same...:boggled:
 
What? Really? Get online and get challenged. How is racing against the computer ever really a challenge? Do you ever race against people online or just play the campaign and store the game on the shelf?
How long do you take to find a descent room? Not being critical just wondering as it always seemed a tedious task to me to set up or find an online race to your liking.

Offline suits the pick up and play factor a bit better if you have like only half an hour to spare.
 
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